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House Republicans appear to have included a provision that exempts Members of Congress and their staff from their latest health care plan.

The new Republican amendment, introduced Tuesday night, would allow states to waive out of Obamacare’s ban on pre-existing conditions. This means that insurers could once again, under certain circumstances, charge sick people higher premiums than healthy people.

Republican legislators liked this policy well enough to offer it in a new amendment. They do not, however, seem to like it enough to have it apply to themselves and their staff. A spokesperson for Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.) who authored this amendment confirmed this was the case: members of Congress and their staff would get the guarantee of keeping these Obamacare regulations. Health law expert Tim Jost flagged me to this particular issue.

A bit of background is helpful here. Obamacare requires all members of Congress and their staff to purchase coverage on the individual market, just like Obamacare enrollees. The politics of that plank were simple enough, meant to demonstrate that if the coverage in this law were good enough for Americans than it should be good enough for their representations in Washington.

That’s been happening for the past four years now. Fast-forward to this new amendment, which would allow states to waive out of key Obamacare protections like the ban on pre-existing conditions or the requirement to cover things like maternity care and mental health services.

If Congressional aides lived in a state that decided to waive these protections, the aides who were sick could be vulnerable to higher premiums than the aides that are healthy. Their benefits package could get skimpier as Obamacare’s essential health benefits requirement may no longer apply either.

This apparently does not sound appealing because the Republican amendment includes the members of Congress and their staff as a protected group who cannot be affected by this amendment.

https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment
 
Let insurance companies sell insurance.
Let the government take care of sick people if the people have the will to do it, which means pay the tax and the politicians take the heat. Forcing young people to pay for covering the sick is a TaX on them and it is difficult enough for them without adding feel good burden. Those that succeed in getting a job that provides insurance don't have to paid the TaX and neither does their employer if they are self insured. Obama's system of forcing the cost of the sick on the people comes down on too small a pool very unfairly! An extremely unreasonable system!
 
House Republicans appear to have included a provision that exempts Members of Congress and their staff from their latest health care plan.

The new Republican amendment, introduced Tuesday night, would allow states to waive out of Obamacare’s ban on pre-existing conditions. This means that insurers could once again, under certain circumstances, charge sick people higher premiums than healthy people.

Republican legislators liked this policy well enough to offer it in a new amendment. They do not, however, seem to like it enough to have it apply to themselves and their staff. A spokesperson for Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.) who authored this amendment confirmed this was the case: members of Congress and their staff would get the guarantee of keeping these Obamacare regulations. Health law expert Tim Jost flagged me to this particular issue.

A bit of background is helpful here. Obamacare requires all members of Congress and their staff to purchase coverage on the individual market, just like Obamacare enrollees. The politics of that plank were simple enough, meant to demonstrate that if the coverage in this law were good enough for Americans than it should be good enough for their representations in Washington.

That’s been happening for the past four years now. Fast-forward to this new amendment, which would allow states to waive out of key Obamacare protections like the ban on pre-existing conditions or the requirement to cover things like maternity care and mental health services.

If Congressional aides lived in a state that decided to waive these protections, the aides who were sick could be vulnerable to higher premiums than the aides that are healthy. Their benefits package could get skimpier as Obamacare’s essential health benefits requirement may no longer apply either.

This apparently does not sound appealing because the Republican amendment includes the members of Congress and their staff as a protected group who cannot be affected by this amendment.

https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment

Fucking pathetic. No health care should come into affect if those who wrote are not confident enough in it to have it themselves. Enough of this, get rid of them all.
 
Fuck the government. fucking scammers!

Burn it all down to the ground.

I think you tried that, that's how we got Trump.

Maybe instead try electing people who actually want to make things better?

What the hell do you have to lose?

barfo
 
I think you tried that, that's how we got Trump.

Maybe instead try electing people who actually want to make things better?

What the hell do you have to lose?

barfo

Tried to.
Got told by older people.
He's Hitler! You learned about Hitler, you're voting for Hitler!
Socialism, Hitler, the research you did is false! You don't know any better!
Then got told by the candidate that was hand picked by the same billionaire class that were sitting behind Trump at his inauguration.
Fall in line, know your place, you're too young to have an education, you live in your parents basement!
Fall in line. Do your own research on my record! You're too young to know of it! Listen to MSM they never lie.

Maybe this younger generation known as millennials... Because you know they don't have a job and all live in their parents basement..
Should be listened to because they have time and a desire not to be fed MSM bullshit that CNN/FNN/etc feeds the vast amount of older generations live off of.
Then America wouldn't have had a president who tried to ban based off religion.
Oh right, Sanders never faced a hardcore attack from anyone, so Clinton was the better choice.
Obviously not.
What's that old saying.?
You made your own bed, lay it in.
 
Tried to.
Got told by older people.
He's Hitler! You learned about Hitler, you're voting for Hitler!
Socialism, Hitler, the research you did is false! You don't know any better!
Then got told by the candidate that was hand picked by the same billionaire class that were sitting behind Trump at his inauguration.
Fall in line, know your place, you're too young to have an education, you live in your parents basement!
Fall in line. Do your own research on my record! You're too young to know of it! Listen to MSM they never lie.

Maybe this younger generation known as millennials... Because you know they don't have a job and all live in their parents basement..
Should be listened to because they have time and a desire not to be fed MSM bullshit that CNN/FNN/etc feeds the vast amount of older generations live off of.
Then America wouldn't have had a president who tried to ban based off religion.
Oh right, Sanders never faced a hardcore attack from anyone, so Clinton was the better choice.
Obviously not.
What's that old saying.?
You made your own bed, lay it in.

If I'm parsing this correctly, you are a Bernie supporter who either voted for Trump out of spite, or didn't vote? And you think Trump is someone else's fault?

barfo
 
The previous 8 years gave us a generation of college graduates living in their parents' basements.

Why would anyone run on that legacy?
 
If I read this new healthcare bill correctly, and I don't know that I have, and it passes, maybe the millennials will all move to the states where they won't be force to buy insurance
with outrageous premiums. Premiums inflated to help take care of the sick. Especially during a period in their lives when getting started taking care of themselves is enough of a chore and they don't need a tax targeting them.
 
If I read this new healthcare bill correctly, and I don't know that I have, and it passes, maybe the millennials will all move to the states where they won't be force to buy insurance
with outrageous premiums. Premiums inflated to help take care of the sick. Especially during a period in their lives when getting started taking care of themselves is enough of a chore and they don't need a tax targeting them.

And likewise, all the old and sick people would move to states that don't opt out.
If you want to see the country split up further, I guess that's as good a plan as any.

barfo
 
And likewise, all the old and sick people would move to states that don't opt out.
If you want to see the country split up further, I guess that's as good a plan as any.

barfo

People move to other states for favorable treatment by the government all the time. California is shedding population to Texas, and has for years - Texas has no state income tax.

Liberal New York State, with a liberal governor and state government, is advertising on TV all the tax breaks they offer to businesses to move there. Quite republican of them.
 
And likewise, all the old and sick people would move to states that don't opt out.
If you want to see the country split up further, I guess that's as good a plan as any.

barfo

I see it as OK! Not what I wanted but OK. Now the States can decide what they should decide anyway. However the Feds will probably have to help when people decide that the sick and the lame
need to be helped and loading the burden on the young is not a good idea.
 
I see it as OK! Not what I wanted but OK. Now the States can decide what they should decide anyway. However the Feds will probably have to help when people decide that the sick and the lame
need to be helped and loading the burden on the young is not a good idea.

That's a little confusing. Where does this money that the Feds help with come from? The young and healthy. So how is that different than the current situation? Are you arguing that paying taxes to the government and having it shoulder healthcare costs is better than paying higher premiums to insurance companies? If so, let me introduce you to our little friend, single payer.

barfo
 
That's a little confusing. Where does this money that the Feds help with come from? The young and healthy. So how is that different than the current situation? Are you arguing that paying taxes to the government and having it shoulder healthcare costs is better than paying higher premiums to insurance companies? If so, let me introduce you to our little friend, single payer.

barfo
Nice to see you being the fiscal conservative. Where were you the last 8 years?
 
Nice to see you being the fiscal conservative. Where were you the last 8 years?

No idea what you mean by that. I expect you misunderstood my post.

barfo
 
No idea what you mean by that. I expect you misunderstood my post.

barfo

You seem to care where the money comes from to pay for government largesse.

You didn't care about printing $trillions and borrowing many $trillions over the past 8 years for the same purpose.
 
You seem to care where the money comes from to pay for government largesse.

You didn't care about printing $trillions and borrowing many $trillions over the past 8 years for the same purpose.

You are confused.

barfo
 
The young and healthy

No not just the young, but the tax payers. 60% to 70% of the people get their health insurance via the self insured employers who do not pay the inflated premiums.
 
19% of young people voted.
I wrote in a candidate. Trump isn't my fault, just like Clinton wouldn't have been.

I know your reply so you don't have to regurgitate bullshit.

"Wow that's just like voting for Trump. Told you, you were too young to understand"
"Wow that's just like voting for Clinton. Told you, you were too young to understand".

Pick which one is yours and sign off.

Defensive much?
So you wasted your vote, didn't bother to participate.
That's fine, as long as you aren't complaining about the outcome.

Denny does the same thing, so it's not related to being young.
Of course, he looooooves Trump, so maybe that's one difference.

barfo
 
No not just the young, but the tax payers.

Sure, but the elderly and the sick don't tend to pay a lot of taxes, so it's back to the young and healthy again.

60% to 70% of the people get their health insurance via the self insured employers who do not pay the inflated premiums.

Sure, if a company takes on part of the risk, the premium cost goes down. Similarly, if the government takes on part of the risk, the premiums go down. Single payer for the win.

barfo
 
Defensive much?
So you wasted your vote, didn't bother to participate.
That's fine, as long as you aren't complaining about the outcome.

Denny does the same thing, so it's not related to being young.
Of course, he looooooves Trump, so maybe that's one difference.

barfo

Trying to find people to blame instead of looking at yourself.
Typical dem & rep bullshit.

People who attempted to force Clinton down the throats of Americans are at fault.
I'm allowed to complain about that, just like everything else.
You wasted your vote by voting for Clinton.
Don't like the logic I'm using? stop trying to use it on me.
 

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