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Hey guys: I think I've worked out the Republican Health Care Plan:
 
TBpup said:
Why does it have to be this way just because that is how Obama did it as well? There should be transparency. Who remembers Nancy Pelosi saying Obamacare needed to be passed so we could find out what was in it.
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Everyone remembers that, because it was a talking point the right repeated constantly. While the Obamacare process certainly could have and should have been more transparent, it was vastly more public than the current bill.

July 2009: House Democrats unveil their 1,000-page plan for overhauling the health care system. House committees begin crunching the details and voting on provisions.

March 23, 2010: President Obama signs the Affordable Care Act into law.

The plan was debated and revised for ~8 months before passage. There were numerous hearings, committee meetings, amendments, etc.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Everyone remembers that, because it was a talking point the right repeated constantly. While the Obamacare process certainly could have and should have been more transparent, it was vastly more public than the current bill.

July 2009: House Democrats unveil their 1,000-page plan for overhauling the health care system. House committees begin crunching the details and voting on provisions.

March 23, 2010: President Obama signs the Affordable Care Act into law.

The plan was debated and revised for ~8 months before passage. There were numerous hearings, committee meetings, amendments, etc.

barfo
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But Harry Reid threw that all out and wrote a new Bill in private that wasn't passed by an actual vote, only a parliamentary trick. A trick that republicans will now use, thanks to precedent.
 
And meanwhile, the president was out there saying things like "if you like your insurance you can keep it" and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him."
 
Denny Crane said:
But Harry Reid threw that all out and wrote a new Bill in private that wasn't passed by an actual vote, only a parliamentary trick. A trick that republicans will now use, thanks to precedent.
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That isn't true (the part about throwing it all away and writing a new bill in secret). The parliamentary trick part is accurate, and yes, Republicans are planning to do the same.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
And meanwhile, the president was out there saying things like "if you like your insurance you can keep it" and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him."
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And the current president is lying his ass off about the current legislation (although he accidentally told the truth in private yesterday, that it was 'mean').

barfo
 
I have no idea what the Senate healthcare bill will do.
If it is bad, my Senators and Congressman will not vote for it.
If it is good, my Senators and Congressman will not vote for it. They don't seem to really give a shit that health insurance is no longer available in some counties.
Only one even mentions current concerns, Russians! Russians Russians, Russians!
Damn! I would like to hammer that fucker! (Wyden) Whoops! I best not, I don't want to set any of the feeble off.
 
MarAzul said:
I have no idea what the Senate healthcare bill will do.
If it is bad, my Senators and Congressman will not vote for it.
If it is good, my Senators and Congressman will not vote for it. They don't seem to really give a shit that health insurance is no longer available in some counties.
Only one even mentions current concerns, Russians! Russians Russians, Russians!
Damn! I would like to hammer that fucker! (Wyden) Whoops! I best not, I don't want to set any of the feeble off.
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Hmmmm....if I thought you were truly serious I'd probably lend you the hammer, but only if you promise a twofer and kneecap Blumenauer while you're at it.......then we switch places and go visit McConnell and Ryan. That's a fair deal, correct????
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Hmmmm....if I thought you were truly serious I'd probably lend you the hammer, but only if you promise a twofer and kneecap Blumenauer while you're at it.......then we switch places and go visit McConnell and Ryan. That's a fair deal, correct????
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Ryan in not high in my estimate of Congressman, and even lower compared to some actually good speakers. McConnell is losing ground.
Oh, I would like to agree.
 
barfo said:
That isn't true (the part about throwing it all away and writing a new bill in secret). The parliamentary trick part is accurate, and yes, Republicans are planning to do the same.

barfo
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barfo said:
And the current president is lying his ass off about the current legislation (although he accidentally told the truth in private yesterday, that it was 'mean').

barfo
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The current president has nothing to do with Reed writing the bill from scratch in the final days, in private. The president had no clue what was in it. Pelosi didn't either.
 
Denny Crane said:
The current president has nothing to do with Reed writing the bill from scratch in the final days, in private.
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Obviously (especially since that never happened). What does that have to do with anything?

The president had no clue what was in it. Pelosi didn't either.
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Horseshit.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Obviously (especially since that never happened). What does that have to do with anything?



Horseshit.

barfo
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So the president outright lied. "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

He thought that was in there, but it wasn't. So obviously your version of events just didn't happen.
 
Denny Crane said:
So the president outright lied. "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

He thought that was in there, but it wasn't. So obviously your version of events just didn't happen.
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Sure.

barfo
 
riverman said:
he should have asked every doctor in the country
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He should have read the bill, except it wasn't written until the last few days.

You had to pass it to read it and know what was in it. Such a rush job.
 
Denny Crane said:
He should have read the bill, except it wasn't written until the last few days.

You had to pass it to read it and know what was in it. Such a rush job.
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You know he admitted that it was flawed and needed work as soon as he signed it right? He said it was a start....actually Obama came into office saying that it would take at least 30 years to straighten out the system and there was no quick fix....
 
riverman said:
You know he admitted that it was flawed and needed work as soon as he signed it right? He said it was a start....actually Obama came into office saying that it would take at least 30 years to straighten out the system and there was no quick fix....
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Who cares? That's not relevant to barfo's completely spun version of the events.
 
Denny Crane said:
Who cares? That's not relevant to barfo's completely spun version of the events.
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perspective...Obama wasn't a perfect prez but he was pretty honest when it came to this issue.....with a zillion posts here about healthcare I'd say people care.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Worth watching, I promise:
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She's cute so she should live..... Fuck Obamacare though, let's just do single payer since we print money as we see fit anyway.

This Republican thing has GOT to be a bigger disaster than Obamacare
 
Damn! Obama said it would take 30 years to fix it! Hell, it took me more than 30 years to earn my healthcare, I wish he would have eliminated it in the 30th year instead of the first to go.
Geez, the forked tongue bugger was still saying, "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" after it was announced that mine was gone.
 
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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
She's cute so she should live..... Fuck Obamacare though, let's just do single payer since we print money as we see fit anyway.

This Republican thing has GOT to be a bigger disaster than Obamacare
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The trouble with that is, they can deny you care by what ever rules they make. For example, check out the rules for Oregon denying treatment for cancer.
 
MarAzul said:
Damn! Obama said it would take 30 years to fix it! Hell, it took me more than 30 years to earn my healthcare, I wish he would have eliminated it in the 30th year instead of the first to go.
Geez, the forked tongue bugger was still saying, "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" after it was announced that mine was gone.
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you could have kept your insurance....you just would have to pay for it...your company screwed you over and they didn't have to. Capitalism works that way
 
MarAzul said:
The trouble with that is, they can deny you care by what ever rules they make. For example, check out the rules for Oregon denying treatment for cancer.
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If you can design a system where unlimited medical care is available at a reasonable cost, I'm pretty sure everyone would be on board.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If you can design a system where unlimited medical care is available at a reasonable cost, I'm pretty sure everyone would be on board.

barfo
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That's easy! We all get dual citizenship with Canada.
 
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