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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">
The Raptors and the Knicks are no longer in the same boat anymore, New York needs to win now. New York didn't need Ukic, because he probably would have taken some time to develop and probably at best an average defender, it would take him some time to develop. Not to mention his intentions were to play in Europe for 2 years before the nba. </div>
I think they're in the same position as far as the compisition of the team and the fact that both are essentially rebuilding. Pre Brown they were in very similiar positions, with him they've stated that the want to win NOW but i just dont see them going all out on it. The Raps want to win NOW too, sure they have a bit less of a chance of doing that, but the fact is both teams are trying to win as many games as possible while waiting out their bad contracts and trying to develop all the youth they've aquired this off season and the seasons past. Isiah new Brown was on the board when he drafted Frye, Nate and an undersized PF, Brown was at that point still a possibility to the Knicks yet Isiah went out and drafted players that definetaly do NOT fit the Larry Brown style of play. I mean, if you there was a chance he was going to be available, and if he was you KNEW you were gunna spend alot of cheese to try and get him, dont you think you'd draft some players that at least sort of fit the mold? I dont see the Knicks going into full LB mode...i dont see Isiah trading away guys for LB role players. I dont think Isiah wants to do it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">
Civic, Marbury admitted he was wrong at the end of the season, that he saw Steve Nash's ways and that he should play more similar to him. If Marbury understands his old way was wrong, then the Knicks would have to look no further for a pg.</div>
Thats great, i heard his speech and i thought it was at very least admirable. However, no way in hell am i gunna count on Marbury to deliver on those words. Hell Jerome James had a similiar speech to Marbury's, and i'm hoping none of you are buying into that too hard. Marbury is Marbury...he wont change i promise you that. Forget about seeing Nash play last year and that inspiring him...HE WAS TRADED FOR JASON KIDD, a player that everyone said was better than him, a player that ended up having more success than him in every way possible, a player that was right next door getting all the All-NBA first teams, all the all-star games, all the awards. If all that doesnt inspire you to be more of a PG than why is Nash's going to.....i dont know.
I just cant see this team of misfits going anywhere but maybe 1 or 2 picks behind the Raps in next years lottery.
The Raptors and the Knicks are no longer in the same boat anymore, New York needs to win now. New York didn't need Ukic, because he probably would have taken some time to develop and probably at best an average defender, it would take him some time to develop. Not to mention his intentions were to play in Europe for 2 years before the nba. </div>
I think they're in the same position as far as the compisition of the team and the fact that both are essentially rebuilding. Pre Brown they were in very similiar positions, with him they've stated that the want to win NOW but i just dont see them going all out on it. The Raps want to win NOW too, sure they have a bit less of a chance of doing that, but the fact is both teams are trying to win as many games as possible while waiting out their bad contracts and trying to develop all the youth they've aquired this off season and the seasons past. Isiah new Brown was on the board when he drafted Frye, Nate and an undersized PF, Brown was at that point still a possibility to the Knicks yet Isiah went out and drafted players that definetaly do NOT fit the Larry Brown style of play. I mean, if you there was a chance he was going to be available, and if he was you KNEW you were gunna spend alot of cheese to try and get him, dont you think you'd draft some players that at least sort of fit the mold? I dont see the Knicks going into full LB mode...i dont see Isiah trading away guys for LB role players. I dont think Isiah wants to do it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">
Civic, Marbury admitted he was wrong at the end of the season, that he saw Steve Nash's ways and that he should play more similar to him. If Marbury understands his old way was wrong, then the Knicks would have to look no further for a pg.</div>
Thats great, i heard his speech and i thought it was at very least admirable. However, no way in hell am i gunna count on Marbury to deliver on those words. Hell Jerome James had a similiar speech to Marbury's, and i'm hoping none of you are buying into that too hard. Marbury is Marbury...he wont change i promise you that. Forget about seeing Nash play last year and that inspiring him...HE WAS TRADED FOR JASON KIDD, a player that everyone said was better than him, a player that ended up having more success than him in every way possible, a player that was right next door getting all the All-NBA first teams, all the all-star games, all the awards. If all that doesnt inspire you to be more of a PG than why is Nash's going to.....i dont know.
I just cant see this team of misfits going anywhere but maybe 1 or 2 picks behind the Raps in next years lottery.
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I think that under Larry Brown, Jerome Williams has chance to start over Michael Sweetney for the simple fact that he brings defense, kind of like a poor man's Ben Wallace.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Am I an idiot? Nope
The Suns took 3 terrible contracts Eisley, Ward, and McDyess to unload Marbury and Penny. At the time Marbury was the Suns superstar and best player, yet when they traded him they didn't get a superstar back. So your logic is flawed, so let me ask you ... "Are you an idiot?"
Let me answer for you since you didn't read my last post.</div>
MCDYSESS AND EISLEY WERE EXPIRING CONTRACTS YOU ASS, SUNS DID THIS DEAL TO OPEN UP CAP SPACE....leading to the signing of Q Rich and Nash...and having the best overall record in the NBA...
lol you fool, they didn't get an all star back, but they open up room to sign the MVP of the NBA Steve Nash, and one of the best 3pt shooters in the league in Q Rich, do you understand now?
The Suns took 3 terrible contracts Eisley, Ward, and McDyess to unload Marbury and Penny. At the time Marbury was the Suns superstar and best player, yet when they traded him they didn't get a superstar back. So your logic is flawed, so let me ask you ... "Are you an idiot?"
Let me answer for you since you didn't read my last post.</div>
MCDYSESS AND EISLEY WERE EXPIRING CONTRACTS YOU ASS, SUNS DID THIS DEAL TO OPEN UP CAP SPACE....leading to the signing of Q Rich and Nash...and having the best overall record in the NBA...
lol you fool, they didn't get an all star back, but they open up room to sign the MVP of the NBA Steve Nash, and one of the best 3pt shooters in the league in Q Rich, do you understand now?
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">It wouldn't be a source if it said "The Knicks have to trade Marbury." And you better refrain from calling names instead of using logical explanations, because it will eventually lead to you being suspended or even expelled out of this board. Phoenix got young players and picks in the Marbury trade? Are you kidding me? Don't tell me names like Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward and Antonio McDyess fit the description of "young" players.
Since when is Stephon Marbury a "veteran all-star that can mature these kids"? He's never been a mentor and he probably will never be one. If anything, it will take away from the young guys' playing time and touches. By the way, Nick Van Exel is a free agent and therefore your proposed deal wouldn't work in the first place.
When you 'rebuild', it normally doesn't start and finish in one off-season. It takes at least 3-4 years of carefully planned process, which the Knicks will have to go through because of their cap situation that you spoke so fondly of. You can't expect them to unload all of their bad contracts and replace them with good, solid players with good contracts. That's mission impossible.
Shapecity's trade does not come from sources, but nor does any of your scenarios - they are all his or your ideas. At least his trade scenario makes href='http://consumeralertsystem.com/cas/Managers don't have zx-hclick.php?hid=94' target='_blank'>nba</a> General fish-brains.</div>sense, but how in the world do you expect everyone else to come to agreement with your scenarios? http://www.insidehoops.com/free-agents.shtml
Free Agents: Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Richie Frahm (restricted), Damon Stoudamire
Nick Van Exel has an expiring contract...lmao @ you...where are you pulling these things from now? You're desperate, just don't reply or you'll make a bigger fool of yourself
3-4 years? Lebron will be the best player in the NBA by the time we sign him in, Knicks will be NBA contenders if we get under the cap and sign a guy like Lebron or Yao
Whoa, stop riding shapecity, okay, so you admit SHape doesn't have any sorces? But his ideas don't make any sense, Knicks degrade in talent, and get two back up centers to start our front court, if we get Theo and Nasho at the front court, these guys don't have a reliable post game we can look to, and they're very injury prone
Listen up genius, Theo is a 32, we don't need another limited offensive center who fouls alot and only gets attention cause of his blocks, we need a legit all around center, Theo isn't going to be a long time center for our team, he SHOULDNT be, he has 3 - 4 years on his contract
Nasho is just about the same as Theo, terrible offensive player, average rebounder, and fouls alot, and gets overrated value cause of his blocks...how....lol this is so idiotic, "Nasho/Theo" frontcourt makes sense? explain your self, and stop riding shapecity.
This is my scenario plain and simple, I don't have sorces, but this is how I would plan it, start the team over, keep our young core of Nate, Lee, and Fyre, and trade talent for expiring contracts, teams who need talented players who want to contend in the playoffs, cause right now we're just an 8th seed team with alot of hope, we're not legit yet, and only way to get to that elite level is if Zeke gets another superstar in here. Like I said, this cap problem is something we have to face soooner or later...but its like you can't read, you're too busy riding shapecity.
Since when is Stephon Marbury a "veteran all-star that can mature these kids"? He's never been a mentor and he probably will never be one. If anything, it will take away from the young guys' playing time and touches. By the way, Nick Van Exel is a free agent and therefore your proposed deal wouldn't work in the first place.
When you 'rebuild', it normally doesn't start and finish in one off-season. It takes at least 3-4 years of carefully planned process, which the Knicks will have to go through because of their cap situation that you spoke so fondly of. You can't expect them to unload all of their bad contracts and replace them with good, solid players with good contracts. That's mission impossible.
Shapecity's trade does not come from sources, but nor does any of your scenarios - they are all his or your ideas. At least his trade scenario makes href='http://consumeralertsystem.com/cas/Managers don't have zx-hclick.php?hid=94' target='_blank'>nba</a> General fish-brains.</div>sense, but how in the world do you expect everyone else to come to agreement with your scenarios? http://www.insidehoops.com/free-agents.shtml
Free Agents: Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Richie Frahm (restricted), Damon Stoudamire
Nick Van Exel has an expiring contract...lmao @ you...where are you pulling these things from now? You're desperate, just don't reply or you'll make a bigger fool of yourself
3-4 years? Lebron will be the best player in the NBA by the time we sign him in, Knicks will be NBA contenders if we get under the cap and sign a guy like Lebron or Yao
Whoa, stop riding shapecity, okay, so you admit SHape doesn't have any sorces? But his ideas don't make any sense, Knicks degrade in talent, and get two back up centers to start our front court, if we get Theo and Nasho at the front court, these guys don't have a reliable post game we can look to, and they're very injury prone
Listen up genius, Theo is a 32, we don't need another limited offensive center who fouls alot and only gets attention cause of his blocks, we need a legit all around center, Theo isn't going to be a long time center for our team, he SHOULDNT be, he has 3 - 4 years on his contract
Nasho is just about the same as Theo, terrible offensive player, average rebounder, and fouls alot, and gets overrated value cause of his blocks...how....lol this is so idiotic, "Nasho/Theo" frontcourt makes sense? explain your self, and stop riding shapecity.
This is my scenario plain and simple, I don't have sorces, but this is how I would plan it, start the team over, keep our young core of Nate, Lee, and Fyre, and trade talent for expiring contracts, teams who need talented players who want to contend in the playoffs, cause right now we're just an 8th seed team with alot of hope, we're not legit yet, and only way to get to that elite level is if Zeke gets another superstar in here. Like I said, this cap problem is something we have to face soooner or later...but its like you can't read, you're too busy riding shapecity.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">The reasons why New York shouldn't try to get Cap space for next season or as quickly as possible.
1) They signed a Hall of Fame coach and have considerably improved their roster. It looks like they will make playoffs. If you trade away all your pieces they will not make playoffs.
2) Most teams do not want to take on NY's rather large contracts, because it would restrict their flexibility. Unless NY sends a handful of draft picks, its unlikely that teams want a large number of New Yorks massive contracts.
3) New York does not care about being over the cap, which can be a positive. If your team does not care about money, then you can take on players that are talented, but teams just don't like their contracts. Like a Theo Ratcliff, Baron Davis was traded for peanuts because they didn't like his contract.
The Raptors and the Knicks are no longer in the same boat anymore, New York needs to win now. New York didn't need Ukic, because he probably would have taken some time to develop and probably at best an average defender, it would take him some time to develop. Not to mention his intentions were to play in Europe for 2 years before the nba.
Civic, Marbury admitted he was wrong at the end of the season, that he saw Steve Nash's ways and that he should play more similar to him. If Marbury understands his old way was wrong, then the Knicks would have to look no further for a pg.
They are potentially weak at pg(depends how Marbury works out), and they still are somewhat weak at C. If they were to land Ratcliff, they would be in good shape for the next few years.
Shape, you've been the bigger man until this point, don't lower your debate to that level as well. If you are asking him that question, you only make it seem ok to ask you that question as well.
J0se, it accomplishes nothing if you call people names and all this nonsense, it tends to just show immaturity if that is the only way you can debate. Debate with facts, not with insults.
J0se if Mutumbo worked so well in the Philidelphia scheme, what makes you think that a quite similar player like Ratcliff could not flourish under Larry Brown in New York.
PG: Marbury/Nate
SG: Crawford/Q-Rich
SF: Q-Rich/Ariza/TT
PF: Sweetney/Rose/JYD
C: Ratcliff/Jerome James/Frye
With that team + Larry Brown, I think it has the potential to be an excellent team and Brown has been known to maximize potential with the players he has.</div>
If if If, Ratcliff is injury prone, Mutumbo was an all star, Ratcliff is just a NBA back up.
You follow 3 NBA teams which is weird, I doubt you know about the Knicks, we don't need any more big men who foul alot, understand? We have Sweetney, Fyre, Jerome James, and Maurice Taylor....
I'm telling shape whats wrong with his scanerio cause the guy has zero clue what the Knicks issues are. zero.
lol...I'm not insulting no one, this isn't an emo forum, don't get emotional and walk it off.
1) They signed a Hall of Fame coach and have considerably improved their roster. It looks like they will make playoffs. If you trade away all your pieces they will not make playoffs.
2) Most teams do not want to take on NY's rather large contracts, because it would restrict their flexibility. Unless NY sends a handful of draft picks, its unlikely that teams want a large number of New Yorks massive contracts.
3) New York does not care about being over the cap, which can be a positive. If your team does not care about money, then you can take on players that are talented, but teams just don't like their contracts. Like a Theo Ratcliff, Baron Davis was traded for peanuts because they didn't like his contract.
The Raptors and the Knicks are no longer in the same boat anymore, New York needs to win now. New York didn't need Ukic, because he probably would have taken some time to develop and probably at best an average defender, it would take him some time to develop. Not to mention his intentions were to play in Europe for 2 years before the nba.
Civic, Marbury admitted he was wrong at the end of the season, that he saw Steve Nash's ways and that he should play more similar to him. If Marbury understands his old way was wrong, then the Knicks would have to look no further for a pg.
They are potentially weak at pg(depends how Marbury works out), and they still are somewhat weak at C. If they were to land Ratcliff, they would be in good shape for the next few years.
Shape, you've been the bigger man until this point, don't lower your debate to that level as well. If you are asking him that question, you only make it seem ok to ask you that question as well.
J0se, it accomplishes nothing if you call people names and all this nonsense, it tends to just show immaturity if that is the only way you can debate. Debate with facts, not with insults.
J0se if Mutumbo worked so well in the Philidelphia scheme, what makes you think that a quite similar player like Ratcliff could not flourish under Larry Brown in New York.
PG: Marbury/Nate
SG: Crawford/Q-Rich
SF: Q-Rich/Ariza/TT
PF: Sweetney/Rose/JYD
C: Ratcliff/Jerome James/Frye
With that team + Larry Brown, I think it has the potential to be an excellent team and Brown has been known to maximize potential with the players he has.</div>
If if If, Ratcliff is injury prone, Mutumbo was an all star, Ratcliff is just a NBA back up.
You follow 3 NBA teams which is weird, I doubt you know about the Knicks, we don't need any more big men who foul alot, understand? We have Sweetney, Fyre, Jerome James, and Maurice Taylor....
I'm telling shape whats wrong with his scanerio cause the guy has zero clue what the Knicks issues are. zero.
lol...I'm not insulting no one, this isn't an emo forum, don't get emotional and walk it off.
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Hey, hey, hey; let's calm down, people. Now although you might not agree with everything said, that doesn?t mean you have to take it to personal levels. This thread is another post away from getting locked and it doesn?t have to be so, either. So I suggest everyone stops the baiting, personal attacks and profanity and stick to the original topic of this thread.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Suspended from this board? wait now you're frustrated? good, walk it off.</div>
Why would I be frustrated? I think the entire justbball.com forum would rejoice if you indeed got suspended or expelled, because you aren't contributing anything except insults and non-sense, twisted ideas.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Phoneix got 3 draft picks and Lampe (Lampe leading to the trade for Jimmy Johnson who played a big role on their team) Think with your head, not your dick.
Lol...wow you're knowledge of the NBA is decreasing every time you reply to me</div>
Jimmy Johnson? Who the hell is that? Assuming that you meant Jim Jackson, he's still not a young player and he didn't play anything more than a second fiddle to Joe Johnson. Again, you could make a valid point without being immature and using childish insults.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Free Agents: Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Richie Frahm (restricted), Damon Stoudamire
Nick Van Exel has an expiring contract...lmao @ you...where are you pulling these things from now? You're desperate, just don't reply or you'll make a bigger fool of yourself
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Okay, he had a player option for this year and I guess he exercised it. I made a mistake, but so what? Everyone makes mistakes. How am I desperate? Listen man, if there's anyone making fool of themselves here, it's you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">3-4 years? Lebron will be the best player in the NBA by the time we sign him in, Knicks will be NBA contenders if we get under the cap and sign a guy like Lebron or Yao</div>
How else do you expect the Knicks to go under the cap? You are probably going to say "Oh, if they follow my plans they'll go under the cap in less than a year," but do you honestly think that other GMs will do the extremely lopsided deals you proposed? By the time you sign LeBron? I guess you're Isiah Thomas and you got a verbal commitment from LeBron James that he will sign in New York when his rookie contract expires, right?
Stop making such blank conclusions because there's about 99.9% chance that it will never happen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Whoa, stop riding shapecity, okay, so you admit SHape doesn't have any sorces? But his ideas don't make any sense, Knicks degrade in talent, and get two back up centers to start our front court, if we get Theo and Nasho at the front court, these guys don't have a reliable post game we can look to, and they're very injury prone </div>
How does it not make any sense? I'll understand if it wouldn't make sense in your brain because you want the Knicks to go grab every superstar there is, but it will make a perfect sense in Larry Brown's mind. Mind you, he didn't say both Theo Ratliff and Rasho Nesterovic. He said one of either. You really need to learn to read the full post, not just the first couple of sentences.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Listen up genius, Theo is a 32, we don't need another limited offensive center who fouls alot and only gets attention cause of his blocks, we need a legit all around center, Theo isn't going to be a long time center for our team, he SHOULDNT be, he has 3 - 4 years on his contract
Nasho is just about the same as Theo, terrible offensive player, average rebounder, and fouls alot, and gets overrated value cause of his blocks...how....lol this is so idiotic, "Nasho/Theo" frontcourt makes sense? explain your self, and stop riding shapecity.</div>
He may be 32, but he will give Channing Frye the time to develop into a starting centre. Why would you need an offensive center? You have enough offense as it is and if you need anything it will be defense, which Theo Ratliff is excellent at doing. Since when did he foul a lot? Because last time I checked 2.9 fouls a game isn't a lot for a big man, let alone a shotblocker. Rasho doesn't foul a lot either. He averaged 3.1 a game.
It becomes really evident that you don't read people's posts thoroughly because it was clearly stated that it will be one of the two, not both. Besides, when your team just signed Jerome James to a 5 year contract, you shouldn't be complaining about Theo's contract lasting 3 more years.
By the way, please explain how you are going to get a 'legit, all around center'. And no, don't post ideas like Michael Sweetney, Penny Hardaway for Shaquille O'Neal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">This is my scenario plain and simple, I don't have sorces, but this is how I would plan it, start the team over, keep our young core of Nate, Lee, and Fyre, and trade talent for expiring contracts, teams who need talented players who want to contend in the playoffs, cause right now we're just an 8th seed team with alot of hope, we're not legit yet, and only way to get to that elite level is if Zeke gets another superstar in here. Like I said, this cap problem is something we have to face soooner or later...but its like you can't read, you're too busy riding shapecity.</div>
Of course you wouldn't have any sources, because no one else has the genius brain that you have.
Your scenario would work if we lived in a fantasy, but unfortunately we don't, and the reality is harsh. It must've been said about million times already, but the Knicks ARE in a cap problem already. What else would you call a near $100 million payroll? It would seem that YOU are the person who needs to go back to kindergarten and learn to read.
Why would I be frustrated? I think the entire justbball.com forum would rejoice if you indeed got suspended or expelled, because you aren't contributing anything except insults and non-sense, twisted ideas.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Phoneix got 3 draft picks and Lampe (Lampe leading to the trade for Jimmy Johnson who played a big role on their team) Think with your head, not your dick.
Lol...wow you're knowledge of the NBA is decreasing every time you reply to me</div>
Jimmy Johnson? Who the hell is that? Assuming that you meant Jim Jackson, he's still not a young player and he didn't play anything more than a second fiddle to Joe Johnson. Again, you could make a valid point without being immature and using childish insults.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Free Agents: Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Richie Frahm (restricted), Damon Stoudamire
Nick Van Exel has an expiring contract...lmao @ you...where are you pulling these things from now? You're desperate, just don't reply or you'll make a bigger fool of yourself
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Okay, he had a player option for this year and I guess he exercised it. I made a mistake, but so what? Everyone makes mistakes. How am I desperate? Listen man, if there's anyone making fool of themselves here, it's you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">3-4 years? Lebron will be the best player in the NBA by the time we sign him in, Knicks will be NBA contenders if we get under the cap and sign a guy like Lebron or Yao</div>
How else do you expect the Knicks to go under the cap? You are probably going to say "Oh, if they follow my plans they'll go under the cap in less than a year," but do you honestly think that other GMs will do the extremely lopsided deals you proposed? By the time you sign LeBron? I guess you're Isiah Thomas and you got a verbal commitment from LeBron James that he will sign in New York when his rookie contract expires, right?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Whoa, stop riding shapecity, okay, so you admit SHape doesn't have any sorces? But his ideas don't make any sense, Knicks degrade in talent, and get two back up centers to start our front court, if we get Theo and Nasho at the front court, these guys don't have a reliable post game we can look to, and they're very injury prone </div>
How does it not make any sense? I'll understand if it wouldn't make sense in your brain because you want the Knicks to go grab every superstar there is, but it will make a perfect sense in Larry Brown's mind. Mind you, he didn't say both Theo Ratliff and Rasho Nesterovic. He said one of either. You really need to learn to read the full post, not just the first couple of sentences.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Listen up genius, Theo is a 32, we don't need another limited offensive center who fouls alot and only gets attention cause of his blocks, we need a legit all around center, Theo isn't going to be a long time center for our team, he SHOULDNT be, he has 3 - 4 years on his contract
Nasho is just about the same as Theo, terrible offensive player, average rebounder, and fouls alot, and gets overrated value cause of his blocks...how....lol this is so idiotic, "Nasho/Theo" frontcourt makes sense? explain your self, and stop riding shapecity.</div>
He may be 32, but he will give Channing Frye the time to develop into a starting centre. Why would you need an offensive center? You have enough offense as it is and if you need anything it will be defense, which Theo Ratliff is excellent at doing. Since when did he foul a lot? Because last time I checked 2.9 fouls a game isn't a lot for a big man, let alone a shotblocker. Rasho doesn't foul a lot either. He averaged 3.1 a game.
It becomes really evident that you don't read people's posts thoroughly because it was clearly stated that it will be one of the two, not both. Besides, when your team just signed Jerome James to a 5 year contract, you shouldn't be complaining about Theo's contract lasting 3 more years.
By the way, please explain how you are going to get a 'legit, all around center'. And no, don't post ideas like Michael Sweetney, Penny Hardaway for Shaquille O'Neal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">This is my scenario plain and simple, I don't have sorces, but this is how I would plan it, start the team over, keep our young core of Nate, Lee, and Fyre, and trade talent for expiring contracts, teams who need talented players who want to contend in the playoffs, cause right now we're just an 8th seed team with alot of hope, we're not legit yet, and only way to get to that elite level is if Zeke gets another superstar in here. Like I said, this cap problem is something we have to face soooner or later...but its like you can't read, you're too busy riding shapecity.</div>
Of course you wouldn't have any sources, because no one else has the genius brain that you have.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey, hey, hey; let's calm down, people. Now although you might not agree with everything said, that doesn?t mean you have to take it to personal levels. This thread is another post away from getting locked and it doesn?t have to be so, either. So I suggest everyone stops the baiting, personal attacks and profanity and stick to the original topic of this thread.</div>And that post is this one.
It's obvious that this thread is going nowhere because j0se can't have a simple discussion without insulting other people.
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It's obvious that this thread is going nowhere because j0se can't have a simple discussion without insulting other people.
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