Response to Merkley's support letter for the Minimum wage.

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barfo said:
I wasn't talking about the government having those things. I was talking about the government prohibiting me from having them.



So it's ok if I hire a hit man to kill you?

barfo
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Silly barfo. I don't see the government regulating hit men either.
 
jlprk said:
If you want attention from a U.S. Senator, you need to avoid 9 errors in usage, grammar, or spelling, not including your 2 spelling errors inside your 9th boldfaced error.

It marks you, in Washington, D.C. as well as on this board, as a moron. I'm not saying that you're a moron, just that you write like one.
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Thank you sir, for your suggested improvements. I shall add them to my bucket list of requested improvements to be add in the after life. Your attention to detail is marvelous, where as I learned to type and read very fast, I never could see and error. It always says what I think.

However, I do hope the Senator can grasp the idea of the importance in representing the people of Oregon with the Constitution as his guide. I do think we would all benefit from the improved representation, much more than I alone would from improved writing skills.
 
While there is evidence on each side as to the effects of a raise in the minimum wage, there is one thing upon which a significant majority of economists agree: a raise in the minimum wage is a wealth transfer, just not the way one would assume. It's not a wealth transfer from the wealthy to the poor, but rather from one segment of the poor to another. In other words, fewer people make more money. Those that lose their minimum wage jobs then either go on public assistance or increase their level of public assistance.

The above dynamic creates a secondary two-pronged effect. First, any increased minimum wage hiring will result in higher prices for consumer. Those increased prices act as a regressive tax and have an inflationary impact. Second, the increased public assistance result in higher government expenditures which are either paid for by increased public debt or increased taxes. Higher taxes tend to surpress economic growth and/or create inflationary pressure.

In either case, you end up a little worse than where you were before.

In fact, one could make the argument that by raising the minimum wage you limit the opportunities of workers to enter the workforce and gain experience to move on from minimum-wage jobs.

We all want people to have a "living wage". However, the idea that minimum wage jobs are meant to be a living wage is bunk. Either you work two of these jobs, which isn't unreasonable to ask, or you train yourself to obtain a higher paying job.
 
MarAzul said:
Thank you sir, for your suggested improvements. I shall add them to my bucket list of requested improvements to be add in the after life. Your attention to detail is marvelous, where as I learned to type and read very fast, I never could see and error. It always says what I think.

However, I do hope the Senator can grasp the idea of the importance in representing the people of Oregon with the Constitution as his guide. I do think we would all benefit from the improved representation, much more than I alone would from improved writing skills.
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If you ever need help writing your application essay for a job, fishing license, or Ivy League college, I'm at your disposal. I'd also be happy to rewrite your political posts.
 
jlprk said:
If you ever need help writing your application essay for a job, fishing license, or Ivy League college, I'm at your disposal. I'd also be happy to rewrite your political posts.
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Oh I suspect I am beyond help, even from a grand expert such as yourself. After help from Oregon ST, Cal, Cal Tech, MIT, Scripps and Cal Davis, I was left to muddle along through a career, never rising above System Architect and Sr. International Consultant. In retirement I have been getting by with an occasional gig as a Naval Architect. But I do appreciate your concern and offer of assistance. I suppose I should confess that I always hired the help I needed so as not to allow my short comings to become too much of a hindrance.

I do hope you are not backing out of the prior offer you were going to do for me. That offer was much more interesting.
 
Did I say you were a bad logger?
 
BigGameDamian said:
If minimum wage gets raised small business may likely suffer though. However, If your on the other end of the stick I'm sure it will be all good.
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Roughly 85 % of all minimum wage jobs are at large corporations. Nearly all successful small and midsized businesses pay excellent wages and benefits on a par with union wages and perks.
 
MarAzul said:
I just received your reply on comment about the minimum wage.

I operated a ranch for about 10 years after I retired from a major corporation. Didn't make much money doing so but it was
an enjoyable thing to do. One of the aggravations that came with the job me was paying minimum wage occasional when help was needed. I didn't mind so much that my effective wages were low, below minimum wage, but it didn't seem right that I had to pay another guy part time more than I was making.
No one ever seems to care about the guy paying the minimum wage.

Now my question is, why is this the business of the federal government in any stretch? Can you point to the article in the Constitution that makes the minimum wage the business of congress? The nearest place I can point to is the 10th amendment because of it not being mention any where in the main text.

Regards,
MarAzul
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I believe the relevant amendment you somehow forgot is the 13th Amendment.
 
MARIS61 said:
I believe the relevant amendment you somehow forgot is the 13th Amendment.
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"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

A contract between two parties is none of the categories mentioned above.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I have no problem with a federal minimum wage so long as it's reasonable.
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I do congress would do well to remain within the business of congress as defined in the constitution.

Congress in recent years has totally ignored the constitution, my favorite example is the ban on the most inexpensive 100 watt heater on the market, the 100 watt light bulb.
It was used for a plethora of task beside providing light. The ingenious market place has corrected the error by providing 92 watt bulbs, but I think you can see the point.

Now healthcare mucking around has really been over the top.
 
MarAzul said:
I do congress would do well to remain within the business of congress as defined in the constitution.

Congress in recent years has totally ignored the constitution, my favorite example is the ban on the most inexpensive 100 watt heater on the market, the 100 watt light bulb.
It was used for a plethora of task beside providing light. The ingenious market place has corrected the error by providing 92 watt bulbs, but I think you can see the point.

Now healthcare mucking around has really been over the top.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Seems somewhat constitutional to me.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Seems somewhat constitutional to me.
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If you delete the words "the general" then you have what certain people think it means.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Seems somewhat constitutional to me.
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Yes, many people take the preamble to mean any thing they need it to mean as far as the business of congress is concerned. If that were the case then all thing in article one section eight are redundant, The 10th amendment
would be redundant also if the preamble was authorization for every hearts desire. I don't believe that was the intent nor is that a good approach, but it is the progressive reading..
 
Having a single currency and a postal system and those things actually enumerated are "providing for the general welfare."
 
MarAzul said:
Yes, many people take the preamble to mean any thing they need it to mean as far as the business of congress is concerned. If that were the case then all thing in article one section eight are redundant, The 10th amendment
would be redundant also if the preamble was authorization for every hearts desire. I don't believe that was the intent nor is that a good approach, but it is the progressive reading..
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People use the words used as a reason to have a constitution as actually being part of it?

That would be like writing a cookbook and having an author describe that he wrote a cookbook because he loves chocolate.Then in a section on mashed potatoes your wife makes them with chocolate syrup. When you bitch that there isn't chocolate syrup in the recipe she says the author said he likes chocolate in the beginning. That is pretty fucking dumb.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
People use the words used as a reason to have a constitution as actually being part of it?

That would be like writing a cookbook and having an author describe that he wrote a cookbook because he loves chocolate.Then in a section on mashed potatoes your wife makes them with chocolate syrup. When you bitch that there isn't chocolate syrup in the recipe she says the author said he likes chocolate in the beginning. That is pretty fucking dumb.
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ugh! Taste like shit too.
 
MarAzul said:
I just received your reply on comment about the minimum wage.

I operated a ranch for about 10 years after I retired from a major corporation. Didn't make much money doing so but it was
an enjoyable thing to do. One of the aggravations that came with the job me was paying minimum wage occasional when help was needed. I didn't mind so much that my effective wages were low, below minimum wage, but it didn't seem right that I had to pay another guy part time more than I was making.
No one ever seems to care about the guy paying the minimum wage.

Now my question is, why is this the business of the federal government in any stretch? Can you point to the article in the Constitution that makes the minimum wage the business of congress? The nearest place I can point to is the 10th amendment because of it not being mention any where in the main text.

Regards,
MarAzul
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Sounds like you want a plantation, not a ranch.
 
blazerboy30 said:
I've had a couple interactions with Merkley, and I think he's a moron. :dunno:
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Interesting. I have had a lot of personally dealing with him and he comes across as anything but a moron to me. I could understand that statement if you go by looks :) . . . but to me he has shown a good understanding of the topics we discussed and conveyed his thoughts well.

It takes an interesting personality to get involved in politics. I will break it down to silver spoon babies who want power and the hard working person who enjoys and has a passion for public service . . . (certainly not for the pay). While Merkley didn't grow up poor, i put him in the second category.

Too bad that was your impression of him . . . it was way off.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Interesting. I have had a lot of personally dealing with him and he comes across as anything but a moron to me. I could understand that statement if you go by looks :) . . . but to me he has shown a good understanding of the topics we discussed and conveyed his thoughts well.

It takes an interesting personality to get involved in politics. I will break it down to silver spoon babies who want power and the hard working person who enjoys and has a passion for public service . . . (certainly not for the pay). While Merkley didn't grow up poor, i put him in the second category.

Too bad that was your impression of him . . . it was way off.
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I am not sure if he read the Constitution, he didn't understand what it meant for him or he just chooses to ignore it. What ever, he often appears to take positions without regard to the constitution. Voting for a ban on 100 watt light bulb has to be the classic test. Yes he did!
 
MarAzul said:
I am not sure if he read the Constitution, he didn't understand what it meant for him or he just chooses to ignore it. What ever, he often appears to take positions without regard to the constitution. Voting for a ban on 100 watt light bulb has to be the classic test. Yes he did!
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Well he a lawyer by trade so he probably reads the constitution . . . he just interprets it differently than you do.

I don't study the constitution but I feel confident that if minimum wage was unconstitutional, someone or group would have challenged it by now. The fact is minimum wage has been in this country for a long time because it is in fact constitutional and will pass any constitutional challenge in the court of law. But whatever, if you want to believe it's unconstitutional, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Don't know much about the issues involved with 100 watt bulbs . . . but I do love my 100 watt light bulbs so bummer if they get banned.

Merkley is clearly a democrat and votes that way. I get if people disagree with his voting or think his votes are moronic, but to say he is a moron is really not an accurate description of Merkley. He is an intelligent well spoken person, just very much on the left.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Well he a lawyer by trade so he probably reads the constitution . . . he just interprets it differently than you do.

I don't study the constitution but I feel confident that if minimum wage was unconstitutional, someone or group would have challenged it by now. The fact is minimum wage has been in this country for a long time because it is in fact constitutional and will pass any constitutional challenge in the court of law. But whatever, if you want to believe it's unconstitutional, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Don't know much about the issues involved with 100 watt bulbs . . . but I do love my 100 watt light bulbs so bummer if they get banned.

Merkley is clearly a democrat and votes that way. I get if people disagree with his voting or think his votes are moronic, but to say he is a moron is really not an accurate description of Merkley. He is an intelligent well spoken person, just very much on the left.
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Merkley is probably like Obama both studied the Constitution and concluded the everything after the preamble is redundant.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Well he a lawyer by trade so he probably reads the constitution . . . he just interprets it differently than you do.

I don't study the constitution but I feel confident that if minimum wage was unconstitutional, someone or group would have challenged it by now. The fact is minimum wage has been in this country for a long time because it is in fact constitutional and will pass any constitutional challenge in the court of law. But whatever, if you want to believe it's unconstitutional, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Don't know much about the issues involved with 100 watt bulbs . . . but I do love my 100 watt light bulbs so bummer if they get banned.

Merkley is clearly a democrat and votes that way. I get if people disagree with his voting or think his votes are moronic, but to say he is a moron is really not an accurate description of Merkley. He is an intelligent well spoken person, just very much on the left.
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The Minimum Wage law was taken to the supreme court in 1941. The court ruled unanimously that the commerce clause permitted the federal government to regulate wages so one state might not have an advantage over another due to lower wages.

Of course, after being elected 4 times, FDR got to appoint all the justices for a lot of years.

The courts weren't so much in favor of his views of the constitution in the 1930s. The court routinely struck down the New Deal programs through 1935 and 1936.

FDR tried to stack the supreme court in his favor by increasing the size of the court so he could appoint justices who'd violate the constitution on his behalf. That was rejected by congress (whew!), but by 1937, he had appointed 8 of the 9 justices and they did violate the constitution on his behalf.
 
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