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Not sure I agree that the two-party system is primarily what's holding us back - I don't see where any third party candidates in my lifetime have been all that superior. If anything they tend to be more one-dimensional. There are certainly problems with the current parties, and the current system, but just making everyone an 'independent' isn't going to be a panacea. One can argue that it was a breakdown of party discipline that led to the disaster that is our current president, and that future Trumps would be more likely to flourish in a less structured system.

barfo
 
Not sure I agree that the two-party system is primarily what's holding us back - I don't see where any third party candidates in my lifetime have been all that superior. If anything they tend to be more one-dimensional. There are certainly problems with the current parties, and the current system, but just making everyone an 'independent' isn't going to be a panacea. One can argue that it was a breakdown of party discipline that led to the disaster that is our current president, and that future Trumps would be more likely to flourish in a less structured system.

barfo


I like your take on the two party system. George Washington said in one of his last speeches while leaving office that he feared the division of two parties that would be more concerned about party rather than the nation.

It is nothing new that we are where we are. The true power are the people ensconced in the machine that is washington.
 
Not sure I agree that the two-party system is primarily what's holding us back - I don't see where any third party candidates in my lifetime have been all that superior. If anything they tend to be more one-dimensional. There are certainly problems with the current parties, and the current system, but just making everyone an 'independent' isn't going to be a panacea...

Doing fine up to this point.. Nothing wrong with the last election. The best man out of 17 got the nod and won the general election. The republicans in Congress are a problem, about half are fake republicans and only there to fatten their wallet and flattery. The hard stuff is too hard for them.
The Dems seem to be in flat out trouble. Gone are the American Democrats. When they can't find a messiah and default to Hillary Clinton! They are in trouble.
Then we have Cuomo coming up, America was never great? Man that will sell only to the negative Nancy's.
 
I like your take on the two party system. George Washington said in one of his last speeches while leaving office that he feared the division of two parties that would be more concerned about party rather than the nation.

It is nothing new that we are where we are. The true power are the people ensconced in the machine that is washington.
interesting that Washington was an independent candidate...I think the only one in history
 
I've stopped supporting candidates from the divorce court parties....washed my hands of them completely...I'd rather go with the fuck you all vote...Johnson got that vote this time from me. Our elections are a joke...and way too long. I lobby for a 6 week campaign..our presidency and legislators are not working, they're just on an endless campaign trail ..equal airtime for every candidate ...equal money for every candidate...let the cards fall where they will. And at least vet candidates of any dirt in the past and make candidates actually qualify for the job for a change..it's become reality TV and a popularity contest..We've been reduced to voting against a candidate instead of for one
 
The two worst elections in my life time were the worst because I was left with no choice acceptable.

? vs Nixon
Obama vs McCain

Can't even remember who I voted for in those elections but it was not one of those four.
 
Nothing wrong with the last election. The best man out of 17 got the nod

On that we won't ever agree. I'd say he's demonstrably the worst man of the 17 (and there were some pretty horrible people in that race). Nobody else in the race was (so far as I know) a criminal, a racist, AND a treasonous moron. Of course if that's what you always wanted in a president, then no problem.

The republicans in Congress are a problem, about half are fake republicans and only there to fatten their wallet and flattery. The hard stuff is too hard for them.

On that we agree. They are useless.

The Dems seem to be in flat out trouble.

On that you are dreaming.

barfo
 
Humphrey in 68, McGovern in 72

barfo
McGovern was one of the last candidates to give me hope...I liked Obama and voted for him but knew he'd have to battle Congress every step of the way to get anything approved.
 
Doing fine up to this point.. Nothing wrong with the last election. The best man out of 17 got the nod and won the general election. The republicans in Congress are a problem, about half are fake republicans and only there to fatten their wallet and flattery. The hard stuff is too hard for them.
.

...no he didn't
 
Special ops shoot down Brennan and his defenders: 'You put your politics before us'
1518538834272.jpg

By Brooke Singman | Fox News

Brennan sounds like someone who's trying to cover their tracks: Rep. Wenstrup
John Brennan rallied numerous high-powered defenders to his corner over his security clearance clash with President Trump, but some well-known special ops heroes are firing back suggesting the former CIA director got what he deserves.

Kris “Tanto” Paronto, a former Army Ranger and private security contractor who was part of the CIA team that fought back during the 2012 Benghazi terror attack, accused Brennan of putting his “politics” before those in the field.

“He is lucky the security clearance is all he is getting away with,” Paronto told Fox News in an interview on Friday.

Responding a day earlier to Brennan’s tweet that his “principles are worth far more than clearances,” Paronto also tweeted:

“My principles are greater than clearances too John, especially when you and the @CIA kool-aid drinkers punishes us for not going along with the Benghazi cover-up story in order to protect you, @HillaryClinton’s & @BarackObama’s failures. You put your politics before us.”

Paronto helped write the book "13 Hours," later turned into a feature film, about the Benghazi attack. He has said he and his team lost their security clearances for speaking out.

Security operators including Paronto previously had to sign non-disclosure agreements -- Paronto told Fox News he signed three pertaining to Benghazi within a six-month period -- though Brennan told lawmakers in 2014 this was not a specific effort to prevent them from speaking to Congress.

Paronto maintains, however, that he didn't share classified information in telling the Benghazi story and continues to object to their clearances being revoked.

“Normally when you have a clearance suspended, you’re supposed to know why ... I was never given that,” he said, blaming Brennan. “It was his determination whether we kept our clearances or not.”

He also took exception at how the Benghazi team was treated upon their return.

“We come back from being on the ground to be treated as a second class citizen. You come back and you’re called a liar,” Paronto told Fox News. “Brennan came in and there was no talk of ‘hey, good job guys,’ not that you look for it, but instead, it was ‘don’t say anything guys, we don’t want the truth to get out.’”

Paronto continued his attack against Brennan on Twitter Thursday night, firing a round of accusations against the former CIA director.


Meanwhile, numerous leaders from the intelligence community defended Brennan, calling President Trump’s decision to revoke his security clearance “ill-considered and unprecedented.”

12 EX-INTEL OFFICIALS SLAM TRUMP FOR 'ILL-CONSIDERED AND UNPRECEDENTED' ACTION AGAINST BRENNAN

“The president’s action regarding John Brennan and the threats of similar action against other former officials has nothing to do with who should and should not hold security clearances—and everything to do with an attempt to stifle free speech,” the letter from 12 former intelligence officials read.

“As individuals who have cherished and helped preserve the right of Americans to free speech—even when that right has been used to criticize us—that signal is inappropriate and deeply regrettable,” they wrote.

The group included six former CIA directors, notably retired Army Gen. David H. Petraeus; former director of national intelligence James Clapper, whose security clearance is also under consideration at the White House; and five former deputy directors of the CIA.

Another senior official, William McRaven, who was commander of U.S. Joint Special Operations command from 2011 to 2014 and oversaw the Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed Usama bin Laden, penned an op-ed for the Washington Post Thursday, urging Trump to “revoke my security clearance, too.”

TRUMP REVOKES EX-CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN'S SECURITY CLEARANCE

McRaven called Brennan “a man of unparalleled integrity,” and said he would “consider it an honor” to have his security clearance revoked and add his name to “the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.”

“If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken,” McRaven wrote. “The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be.”

1534521019737.jpg

Robert O'Neill, the SEAL Team 6 member who killed Usama bin Laden, respectfully disagreed with McRaven. (Fox News )

Robert O’Neill, the SEAL Team 6 member who killed bin Laden, respectfully disagreed with McRaven.

“I have nothing but respect and love for ADM McRaven. Yes I’ve seen this. We simply disagree,” O’Neill tweeted with a link to McRaven’s op-ed.

But O’Neill reserved a Twitter burn for former Obama foreign policy adviser Ben Rhodes, who touted the ex-CIA director’s involvement in the killing of the 9/11 mastermind in 2011.

“John Brennan was the point person for the Obama White House on the operation that killed Osama bin Laden. He knows a lot more about defending our nation than someone who uses security clearances to punish his political adversaries,” Rhodes tweeted.

O’Neill responded: “Actually, @brhodes, 23 conservatives went after UBL. No offense, in case you were wondering.”

Brooke Singman is a Politics Reporter for Fox News. Follow her on Twitter at @brookefoxnews.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...is-defenders-put-your-politics-before-us.html
 
Special ops shoot down Brennan and his defenders: 'You put your politics before us'
1518538834272.jpg

By Brooke Singman | Fox News

Brennan sounds like someone who's trying to cover their tracks: Rep. Wenstrup
John Brennan rallied numerous high-powered defenders to his corner over his security clearance clash with President Trump, but some well-known special ops heroes are firing back suggesting the former CIA director got what he deserves.

Kris “Tanto” Paronto, a former Army Ranger and private security contractor who was part of the CIA team that fought back during the 2012 Benghazi terror attack, accused Brennan of putting his “politics” before those in the field.

“He is lucky the security clearance is all he is getting away with,” Paronto told Fox News in an interview on Friday.

Responding a day earlier to Brennan’s tweet that his “principles are worth far more than clearances,” Paronto also tweeted:

“My principles are greater than clearances too John, especially when you and the @CIA kool-aid drinkers punishes us for not going along with the Benghazi cover-up story in order to protect you, @HillaryClinton’s & @BarackObama’s failures. You put your politics before us.”

Paronto helped write the book "13 Hours," later turned into a feature film, about the Benghazi attack. He has said he and his team lost their security clearances for speaking out.

Security operators including Paronto previously had to sign non-disclosure agreements -- Paronto told Fox News he signed three pertaining to Benghazi within a six-month period -- though Brennan told lawmakers in 2014 this was not a specific effort to prevent them from speaking to Congress.

Paronto maintains, however, that he didn't share classified information in telling the Benghazi story and continues to object to their clearances being revoked.

“Normally when you have a clearance suspended, you’re supposed to know why ... I was never given that,” he said, blaming Brennan. “It was his determination whether we kept our clearances or not.”

He also took exception at how the Benghazi team was treated upon their return.

“We come back from being on the ground to be treated as a second class citizen. You come back and you’re called a liar,” Paronto told Fox News. “Brennan came in and there was no talk of ‘hey, good job guys,’ not that you look for it, but instead, it was ‘don’t say anything guys, we don’t want the truth to get out.’”

Paronto continued his attack against Brennan on Twitter Thursday night, firing a round of accusations against the former CIA director.


Meanwhile, numerous leaders from the intelligence community defended Brennan, calling President Trump’s decision to revoke his security clearance “ill-considered and unprecedented.”

12 EX-INTEL OFFICIALS SLAM TRUMP FOR 'ILL-CONSIDERED AND UNPRECEDENTED' ACTION AGAINST BRENNAN

“The president’s action regarding John Brennan and the threats of similar action against other former officials has nothing to do with who should and should not hold security clearances—and everything to do with an attempt to stifle free speech,” the letter from 12 former intelligence officials read.

“As individuals who have cherished and helped preserve the right of Americans to free speech—even when that right has been used to criticize us—that signal is inappropriate and deeply regrettable,” they wrote.

The group included six former CIA directors, notably retired Army Gen. David H. Petraeus; former director of national intelligence James Clapper, whose security clearance is also under consideration at the White House; and five former deputy directors of the CIA.

Another senior official, William McRaven, who was commander of U.S. Joint Special Operations command from 2011 to 2014 and oversaw the Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed Usama bin Laden, penned an op-ed for the Washington Post Thursday, urging Trump to “revoke my security clearance, too.”

TRUMP REVOKES EX-CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN'S SECURITY CLEARANCE

McRaven called Brennan “a man of unparalleled integrity,” and said he would “consider it an honor” to have his security clearance revoked and add his name to “the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.”

“If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken,” McRaven wrote. “The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be.”

1534521019737.jpg

Robert O'Neill, the SEAL Team 6 member who killed Usama bin Laden, respectfully disagreed with McRaven. (Fox News )

Robert O’Neill, the SEAL Team 6 member who killed bin Laden, respectfully disagreed with McRaven.

“I have nothing but respect and love for ADM McRaven. Yes I’ve seen this. We simply disagree,” O’Neill tweeted with a link to McRaven’s op-ed.

But O’Neill reserved a Twitter burn for former Obama foreign policy adviser Ben Rhodes, who touted the ex-CIA director’s involvement in the killing of the 9/11 mastermind in 2011.

“John Brennan was the point person for the Obama White House on the operation that killed Osama bin Laden. He knows a lot more about defending our nation than someone who uses security clearances to punish his political adversaries,” Rhodes tweeted.

O’Neill responded: “Actually, @brhodes, 23 conservatives went after UBL. No offense, in case you were wondering.”

Brooke Singman is a Politics Reporter for Fox News. Follow her on Twitter at @brookefoxnews.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...is-defenders-put-your-politics-before-us.html

and along comes the Fox spin like usual from you. You simply don't have a red line do you and slop up everything Trump. Sad
 
Humphrey in 68, McGovern in 72

barfo

Yes. Thank you. I voted for the Democrat that ran against Nixon once, Kennedy. Not too hard. Then they started running these dang socialist.
It took a long time but I got sucked in one more time, with Bill Clinton. But then, I did not like G. Bush, so that did it. Geez, what loser.
 
and along comes the Fox spin like usual from you. You simply don't have a red line do you and slop up everything Trump. Sad

Sad you didn't read the story, the comments made by American heroes who were hung out to dry by the traitor Brennan.
 
Sad you didn't read the story, the comments made by American heroes who were hung out to dry by the traitor Brennan.
And 60 ex CIA members weote a letter jn full support. Trump was too stupid to do it the proper way and instead admitted he revoked Brennan's security because of the Russian investigation
 
I voted for Gary Johnson but yes realistically the two party system is stupid and keeps us without having great options
The two party system does make for a more accurate result on which one is the most popular. With multiple parties you could have more than one popular contestant and a less popular contestant might win a plurality. Even with a result of
Special ops shoot down Brennan and his defenders: 'You put your politics before us'
1518538834272.jpg

By Brooke Singman | Fox News

Brennan sounds like someone who's trying to cover their tracks: Rep. Wenstrup
John Brennan rallied numerous high-powered defenders to his corner over his security clearance clash with President Trump, but some well-known special ops heroes are firing back suggesting the former CIA director got what he deserves.

Kris “Tanto” Paronto, a former Army Ranger and private security contractor who was part of the CIA team that fought back during the 2012 Benghazi terror attack, accused Brennan of putting his “politics” before those in the field.

“He is lucky the security clearance is all he is getting away with,” Paronto told Fox News in an interview on Friday.

Responding a day earlier to Brennan’s tweet that his “principles are worth far more than clearances,” Paronto also tweeted:

“My principles are greater than clearances too John, especially when you and the @CIA kool-aid drinkers punishes us for not going along with the Benghazi cover-up story in order to protect you, @HillaryClinton’s & @BarackObama’s failures. You put your politics before us.”

Paronto helped write the book "13 Hours," later turned into a feature film, about the Benghazi attack. He has said he and his team lost their security clearances for speaking out.

Security operators including Paronto previously had to sign non-disclosure agreements -- Paronto told Fox News he signed three pertaining to Benghazi within a six-month period -- though Brennan told lawmakers in 2014 this was not a specific effort to prevent them from speaking to Congress.

Paronto maintains, however, that he didn't share classified information in telling the Benghazi story and continues to object to their clearances being revoked.

“Normally when you have a clearance suspended, you’re supposed to know why ... I was never given that,” he said, blaming Brennan. “It was his determination whether we kept our clearances or not.”

He also took exception at how the Benghazi team was treated upon their return.

“We come back from being on the ground to be treated as a second class citizen. You come back and you’re called a liar,” Paronto told Fox News. “Brennan came in and there was no talk of ‘hey, good job guys,’ not that you look for it, but instead, it was ‘don’t say anything guys, we don’t want the truth to get out.’”

Paronto continued his attack against Brennan on Twitter Thursday night, firing a round of accusations against the former CIA director.


Meanwhile, numerous leaders from the intelligence community defended Brennan, calling President Trump’s decision to revoke his security clearance “ill-considered and unprecedented.”

12 EX-INTEL OFFICIALS SLAM TRUMP FOR 'ILL-CONSIDERED AND UNPRECEDENTED' ACTION AGAINST BRENNAN

“The president’s action regarding John Brennan and the threats of similar action against other former officials has nothing to do with who should and should not hold security clearances—and everything to do with an attempt to stifle free speech,” the letter from 12 former intelligence officials read.

“As individuals who have cherished and helped preserve the right of Americans to free speech—even when that right has been used to criticize us—that signal is inappropriate and deeply regrettable,” they wrote.

The group included six former CIA directors, notably retired Army Gen. David H. Petraeus; former director of national intelligence James Clapper, whose security clearance is also under consideration at the White House; and five former deputy directors of the CIA.

Another senior official, William McRaven, who was commander of U.S. Joint Special Operations command from 2011 to 2014 and oversaw the Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed Usama bin Laden, penned an op-ed for the Washington Post Thursday, urging Trump to “revoke my security clearance, too.”

TRUMP REVOKES EX-CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN'S SECURITY CLEARANCE

McRaven called Brennan “a man of unparalleled integrity,” and said he would “consider it an honor” to have his security clearance revoked and add his name to “the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.”

“If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken,” McRaven wrote. “The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be.”

1534521019737.jpg

Robert O'Neill, the SEAL Team 6 member who killed Usama bin Laden, respectfully disagreed with McRaven. (Fox News )

Robert O’Neill, the SEAL Team 6 member who killed bin Laden, respectfully disagreed with McRaven.

“I have nothing but respect and love for ADM McRaven. Yes I’ve seen this. We simply disagree,” O’Neill tweeted with a link to McRaven’s op-ed.

But O’Neill reserved a Twitter burn for former Obama foreign policy adviser Ben Rhodes, who touted the ex-CIA director’s involvement in the killing of the 9/11 mastermind in 2011.

“John Brennan was the point person for the Obama White House on the operation that killed Osama bin Laden. He knows a lot more about defending our nation than someone who uses security clearances to punish his political adversaries,” Rhodes tweeted.

O’Neill responded: “Actually, @brhodes, 23 conservatives went after UBL. No offense, in case you were wondering.”

Brooke Singman is a Politics Reporter for Fox News. Follow her on Twitter at @brookefoxnews.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...is-defenders-put-your-politics-before-us.html
That's funny because the security people are firmly behind Brennan.
 
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