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it's no stretch at all. it's the absolute truth. name 10 players better than roy.
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Why? The stats certainly support it. Watching him, he certainly looks pretty dominant. Outside of the natural inclination to be skeptical of one's own players (to compensate for favouritism), what would make you think that that the stats lie?
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LeBron
Kobe
Wade
Howard
Those guys are locks.
Chris Paul
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
I think those guys are all clearly superior.
That leaves Roy to beat out all but two of the rest of the NBA to be in the top 10. Tony Parker. Yao Ming. Paul Pierce. Carmelo Anthony. Chris Bosh. Chauncy Billups. Dirk Nowitzki.
I just don't think it's very likely that he's better than every other player, save two.
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NBA.com has listed Roy in the top 8 in the MVP race all season long. So there is a person who would agree with us. And just wait for the MVP voting results. Roy will be top 10. Also, Roy will definitely make All NBA Second Team. I mean, Wade & Roy are the guards in First Team. Paul and Roy are second team. What SG is better than Roy in this league? No one. The only one who is close is Joe Johnson and Roy is better than him. I can't believe you don't see this, Ed O. Roy is a top 7 player in this league. Easily. And lots of people would agree with me. Just ask the coaches. Byron Scott says he prepares for Roy like he prepares for Kobe,Paul, & LeBron. And when it all comes down to it, winning is what matters. #7 in 7th in scoring on the 7th best team in the NBA. That makes him Top 10 no doubt.
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Instead of comparing rookie Westbrook to veteran Blake, the real issue is Westbrook vs Bayless. I like Bayless, but if I had to bet good money on which would become a better *PG*, I would have to bet on Westbrook. It is even odds Bayless winds up as a SG, rather than our PG of the future.
One other point. KP and Presti were "litter-mates" out of the SA system. Odds are Presti becomes a damn good GM in his own right. Nothing he has done so far indicts otherwise. If he takes advantage of all the 1st round picks he has accumulated - watch out.
One other point. KP and Presti were "litter-mates" out of the SA system. Odds are Presti becomes a damn good GM in his own right. Nothing he has done so far indicts otherwise. If he takes advantage of all the 1st round picks he has accumulated - watch out.
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Roy is a top 10 player in the league. No question.
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i'll give you lebron, wade, kobe, paul, dwight, and duncan(not in order). and that's it. after those 6 is the group of roy, garnett, and yao(not in order) with dirk trailing a little behind to round out the top 10.
really look at what roy has done this season and compare it to what other players have done. he's a top 10 guy. 23, 5, and 5 on 48% shooting with 38% from 3. he's got the 7th best PER in the league leading the team with the 7th best record(5th in point differential).
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KG? Paul Pierce? Chris Bosh?
It looks like you're thinking of how good these guys were two years ago.
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Roy is better than Garnett at this point in KG's career. And he's better than Parker, Pierce, Melo, Bosh, Billups, and Dirk easily.
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I don't think he actually follows this team.
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neither guy is going to become a good pure pg. of course, bayless is in a situation where he doesn't have to. westbrook is a combo guard and always will be. and he could end up being very good at it. he has all the physical skills.
and really, if you threw bayless into a situation where he was going to average 30 minutes a game regardless of how bad he played(like westbrook when he was getting 27 minutes a game during the first month of the year while he shot 35% from the field), bayless would be putting up numbers as well.
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Yes. The Celtics have really struggled this year. And Bosh is totally over the hill at age 25.
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Chris Bosh? Shouldn't you have Zach Randolph in that list too? You did say...
right?
So I'm a little confused as to why you didn't put Zach Randolph in the list of top 10 NBA players. Maybe you like to say outrageous things that have no merit? Looks like it.
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Chris Bosh? Shouldn't you have Zach Randolph in that list too? You did say...
right?
So I'm a little confused as to why you didn't put Zach Randolph in the list of top 10 NBA players. Maybe you like to say outrageous things that have no merit? Looks like it.
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Bosh isn't even close to Roy. Roy has led this team to 48 wins and counting. Bosh hasn't even got his team to 30 wins yet.
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From what I've gathered from a number of threads the past couple of weeks, Ed O has it like this...
Zach Randolph > Chris Bosh > Brandon Roy.
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I don't think that a one-year year automatically makes a player a top-10 player, though. Chris Bosh, for example, is on his fourth straight year of 22+ PER, while this is Roy's first over 19.27. Tony Parker has been dominant at the PG spot this year after being one of the best PGs for each of the past several years. Several other players have track records that are longer with spikes that are at least as good as Roy's.
Assuming that we can agree (with the exception of people like PapaG, who would rather attack me personally than debate) that the top six are sort of set, even IF Roy is in the next group immediately behind those six this year, I think there are easily (at least) four players who have demonstrated themselves to be better than Roy in the last few years. I don't think that superstardom is based in a single excellent year unless that season is historic... and Roy is not having a historic individual season.
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Ha! In other words, you were wrong about attacking me over Hollinger, and now you play the victim!
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So I'm a little confused as to why you didn't put Zach Randolph in the list of top 10 NBA players. Maybe you like to say outrageous things that have no merit? Looks like it.
I can understand why you'd be confused.
Merely listing options of players that might be better than Roy does not mean that I believe he IS better than Brandon.
Note that I said:
-- I do not think that Roy is a top 5-10 player
-- I do not think that many do, either
I listed the players that I thought were definitely better. I listed them specifically in two groups. There were seven of them.
I then stated that, in order to be in the top 10, Brandon could only be inferior to TWO of the rest of the players in the NBA. I listed several players that most would consider to be at least Brandon's equal.
I did NOT say that Bosh was better than Roy.
Sorry that you got confused.
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I don't agree with Ed, but the disbelief/mockery of what he's saying is silly. You can definitely make a case for ten players better than Roy. James, Paul, Howard, Kobe and Wade are pretty easy to make a case for. Duncan, Garnett, Yao, Parker and Nowitzki are all arguable.
I'd class Roy in with Duncan, Garnett and Yao and ahead of Parker and Nowitzki. But putting him behind two more excellent players is hardly crazy.
I'd class Roy in with Duncan, Garnett and Yao and ahead of Parker and Nowitzki. But putting him behind two more excellent players is hardly crazy.
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You're so full of shit it's unbelievable. In THIS THREAD ALONE, you
-- said I "jumped the shark", and
-- said you doubted I followed the team
Hollinger is irrelevant.
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i'm talking about roy this season. he's not a fluke. how good he was two years ago really isn't relevant to the discussion. we're not talking about who has had the better career. we are talking about who is the better player right now. right now brandon roy is easily a top 10 player. does being a top 10 player necessarily make him a superstar? that depends on your definition of superstar. i would call roy one though.
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So is it crazy to calll Roy a top 7 player? Because Ed's intiial post didn't put him in that category.
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Why are you so angry? Because I was proven correct about Hollinger's ridiculous projections? I'd be calling him irrelevant as well right now.
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I think that any single season is likely to be a fluke. I think that top 5-10 production is not the same as being a top 5-10 player, and I think that a track record helps establish that production is a true indication of capabilities.
I agree it comes down to definitions, and I understand that we can agree to disagree as to how we define things.
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