Rich Cho -- S2 Approval rating

[RR7]

I selected approve because it seems as if bayless had asked for a trade, from a few reports. And really, what's the going rate for a combo guard who has proven nothing around the league? N.O. started off better than most thought, so it looked bad. Now they've lost I think 9 of 12, so it looks better. Everyone assumed they'd be right around 7th, 8th seed ish, right out of the playoffs. Basically, a mid first for a player who didn't want to be here any more. I hate the guy's writing, but saw a quote or tweet from Bill Simmons that I thought summed up his situation best, after being traded to Toronto, that he achieved his best case scenario, of being a good player on a bad team.

I don't know how anyone at all can see waiivng Pendergraph was a bad move. I'd love to see any justification for that being dumb. I didn't mind the Oberto signing. Hate the Marks signing, but whatever. Didn't care for keeping Mills, but I know that was Allen's decision. So we'll see what he does from here on.

 

[e_blazer]

false. Bayless was traded to Toronto during the season.

October 23rd. Before the start of the regular season.

 

[e_blazer]

What? Bayless was traded, and there were 2 trades today.

Bayless was traded before the start of the regular season. The two deals agreed discussed today can't be finalized until tomorrow.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

To stir the pot, Bayless had 17 points and 9 assts today against Charlotte.

Would you rather be in Jack's position or Bayless? Bayless gets ton more minutes but what appears to be a very bad team. Jack got a lot less minutes with the trade but to a potential playoff team.

 

[RR7]

Nope. He was traded from us to N.O. at that time. He played for N.O. Now he is on toronto. And Jarret Jack, who was on Toronto, is now on N.O.

 

[e_blazer]

Nope. He was traded from us to N.O. at that time. He played for N.O. Now he is on toronto. And Jarret Jack, who was on Toronto, is now on N.O.

Oops, you're right of course. I wonder why it's not listed on the NBA's transactions page.

 

[Minstrel]

I hate the guy's writing, but saw a quote or tweet from Bill Simmons that I thought summed up his situation best, after being traded to Toronto, that he achieved his best case scenario, of being a good player on a bad team.

Being a "good player on a bad team" is actually a great achievement for a 22 year old. The idea of him not currently leading a great team being a black mark against him is silly, IMO. Yes, he's inconsistent so wouldn't be playing a lot of minutes for a top team...inconsistently very good at the NBA level is still impressive at his age.

 

[RR7]

I don't think I, or he, meant to say because he is not leading a great team, it is a black mark on his young career. It's to say he looks like the type of player who will be a good player on a bad team. And now he is in a situation to be just that.

 

[RoyToy]

He's by far hurt the team more than he has helped it.

No.

 

[Nikolokolus]

October 23rd. Before the start of the regular season.

Well I know for a fact that Jerryd appeared in something like 11 games for the Hornets and now he's been in something like 10 for the Raptors ... your sources are wrong.

 

[e_blazer]

Well I know for a fact that Jerryd appeared in something like 11 games for the Hornets and now he's been in something like 10 for the Raptors ... your sources are wrong.

I already acknowledged that above. For some reason that trade isn't listed on the NBA's transactions page. It's also not listed on ESPN's list of transactions. Must have been done in stealth mode, I guess. Still, one minor trade for second string players doesn't exactly make the case that Cho's guilty of excessive thumb twiddling. Hopefully, he has something in the works that we'll see now that Dec. 15th will be passed.

 

[ehizzy3]

didn't vote. i'm going to wait till after the draft to make a decision but i don't like the bayless trade.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Some of you make it sound as if the Oden/Roy problems, the weak bench, etc, are all things that *just* happened. These problems were in place when Cho was hired - and he has done almost nothing to address them.

When Cho was hired, I defended the choice as the best available option. I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. Cho either doesn't have the ability - or he is a figurehead with no actual authority. Neither earns him a vote of confidence.

 

[barfo]

Some of you make it sound as if the Oden/Roy problems, the weak bench, etc, are all things that *just* happened. These problems were in place when Cho was hired - and he has done almost nothing to address them.

When Cho was hired, I defended the choice as the best available option. I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. Cho either doesn't have the ability - or he is a figurehead with no actual authority. Neither earns him a vote of confidence.

Oden? Weren't we looking forward to a healthy Oden when Cho was hired? How did he know of the MF issue at that time?

barfo

 

[oldmangrouch]

Oden? Weren't we looking forward to a healthy Oden when Cho was hired? How did he know of the MF issue at that time?

barfo

Seriously, do you think the team was ignorant of the fact his rehab wasn't going right? Do you think it really took the Drs almost a full year to decide the knee wasn't healing, and more surgery was required? Do you think Status Cho was ignorant of his injury history and the risks involved in relying on him?

To be blunt, I firmly believed the team lied about Oden's condition for as long as possible, in the interest of ticket sales and marketing.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Not for sure why Paul Allen did not check the message boards after KP was let go. Cho may have qualifications, but alot of posters have the power of hindsight. They also know that during a time of crisis, the best thing to do is panic.

 

[barfo]

Seriously, do you think the team was ignorant of the fact his rehab wasn't going right?

It's possible it was going right at that time. I don't have any idea.

Do you think it really took the Drs almost a full year to decide the knee wasn't healing, and more surgery was required?

Well, it wasn't the patella that required the MF surgery. If they had concluded that surgery was necessary in July, why not do it then? Seems like quite a conspiracy theory to suggest they waited several months just to pull the wool over our eyes, temporarily.

Do you think Status Cho was ignorant of his injury history and the risks involved in relying on him?

No, that I'm pretty sure he was aware of.

To be blunt, I firmly believed the team lied about Oden's condition for as long as possible, in the interest of ticket sales and marketing.

That seems not very likely to me. If that was the case, why didn't they hold out for a few more months and get even more ticket sales?

barfo

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

To be blunt, I firmly believed the team lied about Oden's condition for as long as possible, in the interest of ticket sales and marketing.

So the doctors did not share any of their findings with Oden? He then delayed surgery for as long as possible with free agency looming, just so the team could sell a few more tickets?

The team had incentive, but Greg certainly did not.

 

[oldmangrouch]

So the doctors did not share any of their findings with Oden? He then delayed surgery for as long as possible with free agency looming, just so the team could sell a few more tickets?

The team had incentive, but Greg certainly did not.

That's a very good question. It only makes sense if Oden has a "nudge-nudge-wink-wink" deal with the Blazers that they will make the qualifying offer, no matter what. At nearly $9 million, that may be his last chance at a big payday. If the new CBA is anywhere near as draconian as Stern wants, what team is going to gamble big bucks on him?

 

[MickZagger]

Incomplete.

I give much longer than 6 months before I judge GM's. Just something I do personally. You guys can feel free to bash, but I think the teams problems right now has much more to do with KP than Cho.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

That's a very good question. It only makes sense if Oden has a "nudge-nudge-wink-wink" deal with the Blazers that they will make the qualifying offer, no matter what. At nearly $9 million, that may be his last chance at a big payday. If the new CBA is anywhere near as draconian as Stern wants, what team is going to gamble big bucks on him?[/QUOTE]

Hard to speculate on the new CBA or what Greg's health records indicate, but after seeing the crazy money that guys with far less potential got this past offseason I could see a team like Minnesota, Sacramento, or Washington taking a gamble. I could also see a guy like Mark Cuban offering the MLE with the earlierst player option possible.

With the money that Paul throws around at draft time, I do not see him delaying Greg's recovery. 9M in a qualifying offer is alot of money to make up in ticket sales. Season tickets make up a huge amount of sales anyway and that money was locked in long before the end of last season.

Edit: Also just remembered that Oden was doing 3 on 3 drills pretty close to the date he had his latest surgery. Do not think he would jeopardize his career doing that if he knew microfracture surgery was needed.

 

[jlprk]

Seriously, do you think the team was ignorant of the fact his rehab wasn't going right? Do you think it really took the Drs almost a full year to decide the knee wasn't healing, and more surgery was required? Do you think Status Cho was ignorant of his injury history and the risks involved in relying on him?

To be blunt, I firmly believed the team lied about Oden's condition for as long as possible, in the interest of ticket sales and marketing.

Your theory could cover more bases by saying that either management knew or they should have known. Adjusting a few words will defend your theory against criticism from those who have already been proven wrong.

For months I felt like an alarmist, posting repeatedly that Oden kept falling off any reasonable recovery schedule benchmarks. Many others answered, "Manana, man, everything is beautiful, Oden will be back soon." I'm not the type to reopen old threads, like some people do to show who the misguided were.

 

[RedHotRollin]

Poor guy. He has had very little time to evaluate and all of this has been thrown at him at once. The one area of concern I had before he took over is playing itself out now. I don't think he will be the leader KP was behind the scenes. I think his style will be similar to Bob's. More a hands off approach. That's fine but that means you better have a coach that is a leader and Nate is not. He has lost this team.

With that said, it's too early to be critical on what he has done from player personal standpoint. It takes two to deal and sometimes it takes a lot of time to make something happen. Trades just don't happen with a snap of a finger.

 

[PapaG]

Poor guy. He has had very little time to evaluate and all of this has been thrown at him at once. The one area of concern I had before he took over is playing itself out now. I don't think he will be the leader KP was behind the scenes. I think his style will be similar to Bob's. More a hands off approach. That's fine but that means you better have a coach that is a leader and Nate is not. He has lost this team.

With that said, it's too early to be critical on what he has done from player personal standpoint. It takes two to deal and sometimes it takes a lot of time to make something happen. Trades just don't happen with a snap of a finger.

Portland was a division rival while he was assistant GM, so I imagine an assistant GM would do some work on division opponents, and gametape exists to see how the pieces fit last season. He also already decided to trade Bayless after evaluating him for zero regular season games.

 

[MickZagger]

Since I didn't vote because my vote is for Incomplete, which isn't an option. Can someone tell me what the poll results are?

 

[RedHotRollin]

Poor guy. He has had very little time to evaluate and all of this has been thrown at him at once. The one area of concern I had before he took over is playing itself out now. I don't think he will be the leader KP was behind the scenes. I think his style will be similar to Bob's. More a hands off approach. That's fine but that means you better have a coach that is a leader and Nate is not. He has lost this team.

With that said, it's too early to be critical on what he has done from player personal standpoint. It takes two to deal and sometimes it takes a lot of time to make something happen. Trades just don't happen with a snap of a finger.

With the help of his coach. His coach probably told him we don't need him.

 

[RedHotRollin]

Since I didn't vote because my vote is for Incomplete, which isn't an option. Can someone tell me what the poll results are?

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Yes, I approve
11 35.48%
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No, I don't approve
20 64.52%

 

[MickZagger]

Thanks.

 

[Minstrel]

Since I didn't vote because my vote is for Incomplete, which isn't an option. Can someone tell me what the poll results are?

There's a "View poll results" button, next to the "Vote" button. Doesn't require selecting an option to use it.

 

[MickZagger]

There's a "View poll results" button, next to the "Vote" button. Doesn't require selecting an option to use it.

ahhh, gotcha. Thanks for lacing my boots.