Richard Dawkins: Natural Selection?

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By L.J. Devon, Staff Writer

(NaturalNews) Top scientist Richard Dawkins isn't interested in protecting life on Earth. He's only interested in protecting a planet full of people that he approves of. To him, Down syndrome babies have no importance in the world and should be terminated before they take their first breath. With the right prenatal testing, Dawkins believes that Down syndrome can be detected early, and the baby can be discarded as medical waste so they won't waste any space on planet Earth. In a way, Dawkins is like Adolf Hitler, preparing his preferred race with the perfect qualities. He has no patience to care and love people who are slower than him. His brilliance is the model to live by, and babies with Down syndrome are apparently not fit for the world that he wants.

Richard Dawkins recently stated publicly on Twitter that it's the moral thing to abort babies with Down syndrome before they have a chance to be born. The Twitter conversation began with Dawkins displaying a picture of pro-life supporters in Ireland -- a country that does not endorse abortion or subsidize it. Dawkins criticized Ireland for its pro-life stance, writing, "Ireland is a civilised country except in this 1 area."

One woman questioned Dawkins' tweet, asking, "994 human beings with Down's Syndrome deliberately killed before birth in England and Wales in 2012. Is that civilised?"

Dawkins replied, endorsing mass pre-meditated death of children with Down syndrome, "Yes, it is very civilised. These are fetuses, diagnosed before they have human feelings."

Another commenter chimed in, confused, "I honestly don't know what I would do if I were pregnant with a kid with Down Syndrome. Real ethical dilemma."

Dawkins reassured the man that it was the moral thing to take out children with Down syndrome before they are born. "Abort it and try again," he wrote. "It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."

This brings up the following questions: What if Richard Dawkins was born with a chromosomal disorder? Is it then moral to terminate his life? Where does Dawkins draw the line when pre-engineering a perfect human race? Should all children with deformities or cognitive impairments be discarded?


Taking the gift of life for granted

The most passionate pro-life army would probably be the 54.5 million people and counting who were ripped out of the womb over the past 40 years in the US. What if Dawkins had been one of them? He could have seized to exist. These people, discarded as medical waste, never had a say in the matter of their own life and were never allowed to take their first breath outside their mothers' wombs. They were never given a chance. If they were allowed to speak today, every one of them would say it's the adult's moral responsibility to protect life conceived in the womb.

These people, who were denied their entire life's liberty and every single possible choice, represented a new beginning, a clean slate. They never posed a threat to society and could have changed the world in a positive way, yet they were discarded as fetuses without feelings.

Court rulings like the 1973 Roe vs. Wade decision never restored women's privacy and freedom of choice. The ruling only encouraged and subsidized the deaths of millions of future women and men who could have helped build a more compassionate society.

When abortion became federally endorsed, the medical procedure was no longer a last-ditch option; it became encouraged, and death has multiplied since then. The ruling never really protected freedom of choice; it only encouraged the death of millions who will never get a single choice.

By not respecting life and protecting it at all costs, society begins to endorse relative morality. When people are encouraged to harm others and take life, lawlessness abounds, even while it is endorsed by the law itself.

When life is respected first, then liberty can abound. The so-called liberty that the court "granted" is only an illusion of choice.

At the same time, being for life doesn't mean that one should condemn women who've undergone abortions in the past. Women and men are both greatly impacted emotionally and spiritually after going through with an abortion. The last thing that they need is some zealot waving a sign in their face and telling them they should go to jail or hell.

All men and women have an inherent choice to either protect life or discard it. It's just sad to see a leading scientist like Richard Dawkins regard human life so flippantly. Instead of subsidizing abortion and encouraging the genocide of people with chromosomal disorders, we should be empowering men and women with hope, education and resources to raise their families. The world would become a better place if a conscious shift occurred -- a heart change that values life and compassion for all human beings, no matter the cost.

Sources::::

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...moral-to-bring-it-into-the-world-9681549.html

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/23/54559615-abortions-since-roe-vs-wade-decision-in-1973/

http://science.naturalnews.com/Abortion.html
 
Don't know about you, but I agree that Dawkins is acting much like Hitler with this type of talk
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...moral-to-bring-it-into-the-world-9681549.html

This is a more "unbiased" article. The one I found was a little "pro choice", so I don't want you guys to get all bent at the "pro choice" rant.

Richard Dawkins on babies with Down Syndrome: 'Abort it and try again – it would be immoral to bring it into the world'

Budding atheists wondering whether Richard Dawkins is in need of a little time away from Twitter to reflect on the past few weeks are about to have their (lack of) prayers answered.

The philosopher has managed to go one step further than his controversial comments on ‘date rape versus stranger rape’ to voice his opinions on what it would be ethical for a mother who is informed that her unborn child has Down Syndrome to do.

He started off his conversation with followers ethically enough, highlighting the plight of women in Ireland, where abortion is illegal, in light of the recent reports of the country’s refusal to provide a safe abortion to a suicidal rape victim. She was forced to give birth.

“Ireland is a civilised country except in this 1 area,” he tweeted, adding “You'd think the Roman Church would have lost all influence,” to caption a link to a similar article.

But after engaging in conversation with a number of users, his ethical values appeared to come a little unstuck.

“994 human beings with Down's Syndrome deliberately killed before birth in England and Wales in 2012. Is that civilised?” @AidanMcCourt asked.

“Yes, it is very civilised. These are fetuses, diagnosed before they have human feelings,” Dawkins responded.

“I honestly don't know what I would do if I were pregnant with a kid with Down Syndrome. Real ethical dilemma,” @InYourFaceNYer chimed in.

“Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice,” he tweeted back.

Naturally, his reasoning prompted a slew of further comments – and subsequent commentary:

Including this musing on aborting Down Syndrome children versus aborting Hitler:
 
Since we are resorting to grand hyperbolic comparisons right out of the gate. I feel he is acting more like Jesus, saving these children from the evils of the world. They get to go right to heaven so whats the problem?
 
Since we are resorting to grand hyperbolic comparisons right out of the gate. I feel he is acting more like Jesus, saving these children from the evils of the world. They get to go right to heaven so whats the problem?

So you agree that parents should abort their babies if they have "Down syndrome?

Wow you think Down syndrome kids are evil?
 
So you agree that parents should abort their babies if they have "Down syndrome?

I think thats a choice for every parent to make on their own. If you want to make that choice for them you should raise their children.
 
I think thats a choice for every parent to make on their own. If you want to make that choice for them you should raise their children.

So you agree that we should abort Down syndrome babies? Yes or no?
 
So you agree that we should abort Down syndrome babies? Yes or no?

my last response didnt answer your question? I dont believe anyone should be forced to abort their children, but I dont believe anyone should be forced to have a child they do not want. Science gives us more information to make the proper decisions for ourselves. Down syndrome is one example, there are plenty of other worse defects. Should we also force women to full term to bear a baby that has no chance of survival?
 
Since we are resorting to grand hyperbolic comparisons right out of the gate. I feel he is acting more like Jesus, saving these children from the evils of the world. They get to go right to heaven so whats the problem?

this.

+1
 
my last response didnt answer your question? I dont believe anyone should be forced to abort their children, but I dont believe anyone should be forced to have a child they do not want. Science gives us more information to make the proper decisions for ourselves. Down syndrome is one example, there are plenty of other worse defects. Should we also force women to full term to bear a baby that has no chance of survival?

This isn't pro choice. I think woman can make that choice. But if you are trying to have a baby and find out it's Down syndrome, then abort? That's fucked up.
 
This isn't pro choice. I think woman can make that choice. But if you are trying to have a baby and find out it's Down syndrome, then abort? That's fucked up.

In your opinion.

It's ultimately up to the woman. She can use any reason she chooses, and seek any advice she chooses.

End of story.
 
In your opinion.

It's ultimately up to the woman. She can use any reason she chooses, and seek any advice she chooses.

End of story.

Did you read the article though? Where Dawkins said that Down syndrome babies are a waste of medicine. He said its immoral to bring a down syndrom baby
 
Did you read the article though? Where Dawkins said that Down syndrome babies are a waste of medicine. He said its immoral to bring a down syndrom baby

That's his opinion.

If the woman wants to seek his advice, that's her CHOICE.
 
Another commenter chimed in, confused, "I honestly don't know what I would do if I were pregnant with a kid with Down Syndrome. Real ethical dilemma."

Dawkins reassured the man that it was the moral thing to take out children with Down syndrome before they are born. "Abort it and try again," he wrote.

The cause of Downs Syndrome is usually that a parent is too old. The older the parents, the higher the chance of Downs Syndrome.

With the woman losing fertility, that's often the last chance for a child.
 
Mags, you bring up this Dawkins guy a lot.
 
Do you think his opinion that all Down syndrome children should be aborted?

not all of them, if you have a down syndrome child and you want to have that child and support it for the rest of your life, then no. I think most people would be grateful to have this information in the early stages of pregnancy.
 
Denny, you're just repeating in effect, "The law is the law." As a supposed non-statist thinker, you should be offering moral arguments, not just parroting code sections of legislation.
 
Denny, you're just repeating in effect, "The law is the law." As a supposed non-statist thinker, you should be offering moral arguments, not just parroting code sections of legislation.

I'm not parroting anything. The woman has a right to use her body as she sees fit. Nobody else can make any claim to it until she's done with it. Then her family can bury her corpse or burn it or whatever.
 
I'm not parroting anything. The woman has a right to use her body as she sees fit.

You can't possibly believe that, without limit. You're just repeating brief slogans instead of fleshing out the issues.
 
You can't possibly believe that, without limit. You're just repeating brief slogans instead of fleshing out the issues.

I absolutely believe it. Absolutely. As in "absolute."
 
When she clubs you to death, should I remind you of your belief, or just watch silently, in respect of your crazy belief?
 
"Denny...I love you!...Mwahh, mwahh!"

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I'm not parroting anything. The woman has a right to use her body as she sees fit. Nobody else can make any claim to it until she's done with it. Then her family can bury her corpse or burn it or whatever.

I would rephrase it. Every state has laws in place for anyone that is a harm to themselves.

Or is this some "pro choice" banter for just killing the fetus?
 
I would rephrase it. Every state has laws in place for anyone that is a harm to themselves.

Or is this some "pro choice" banter for just killing the fetus?
Who is a harm to themselves in this scenario?
 

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