Richard Dawkins: Natural Selection?

[magnifier661]

Who is a harm to themselves in this scenario?

That has no relevance to the article. It's a response to Denny on his thinking of a woman can choose to do whatever the fuck they want to do with themselves.

 

[donkiez]

That has no relevance to the article. It's a response to Denny on his thinking of a woman can choose to do whatever the fuck they want to do with themselves.

yea fuck those women, they should all do what I say. Lets me and you move to Iran and get this shit done right.

 

[magnifier661]

yea fuck those women, they should all do what I say. Lets me and you move to Iran and get this shit done right.

Hyperbole. Job well done.

Then again... You are okay with people to decide to kill a fetus because the child isn't smart. What's next, we can keep killing them until we get 180 min iq?

 

[donkiez]

Hyperbole. Job well done.

Then again... You are okay with people to decide to kill a fetus because the child isn't smart. What's next, we can keep killing them until we get 180 min iq?

yes that is the logical next step, and people will be marrying their dogs soon also.

 

[magnifier661]

yes that is the logical next step, and people will be marrying their dogs soon also.

And have sex with their donkeys

Seriously... If you can decide on what type of baby you have, then why not stop. It's a woman's choice right? If there was a system to understand the IQ, then why stop there?

 

[donkiez]

And have sex with their donkeys

well I can sure hope right?

 

[magnifier661]

well I can sure hope right?

Sure, but let's go back to the topic at hand. Richard Dawkins thinks it's immoral to bring in a Down Syndrome baby. I think he's a stupid fuck for saying something that stupid

 

[donkiez]

Sure, but let's go back to the topic at hand. Richard Dawkins thinks it's immoral to bring in a Down Syndrome baby. I think he's a stupid fuck for saying something that stupid

I think we can agree that it is not immoral to bring them into the world........ Do you think its moral to force these women to have babies they dont want to have and then expect them to care for them for the rest of their lives?

 

[jlprk]

well I can sure hope right?

I never understood your name before!!!

 

[magnifier661]

I think we can agree that it is not immoral to bring them into the world........ Do you think its moral to force these women to have babies they dont want to have and then expect them to care for them for the rest of their lives?

Are you asking if I agree or disagree with abortion? If yes, I think you got me confused with someone else. I think a woman can choose if they want.

What I'm talking about is the "Hitler type" statements with Dawkins saying "it's immoral to bring a child with down syndrome to this world". Dawkins is no better than the bible thumpers that want to force woman to have the babies.

I wouldn't want my family to abort, but it's their decision.

 

[donkiez]

I never understood your name before!!!

Great knowledge comes with great responsibility.

 

[donkiez]

Are you asking if I agree or disagree with abortion? If yes, I think you got me confused with someone else. I think a woman can choose if they want.

What I'm talking about is the "Hitler type" statements with Dawkins saying "it's immoral to bring a child with down syndrome to this world". Dawkins is no better than the bible thumpers that want to force woman to have the babies.

I wouldn't want my family to abort, but it's their decision.

we are in agreement then, its everyone own decision. If my baby has downs and I abort because of it you will support my freedom to do so right?

 

[magnifier661]

we are in agreement then, its everyone own decision. If my baby has downs and I abort because of it you will support my freedom to do so right?

Yes I agree that Dawkins is a fucking tool for telling people they are immoral to bring a child with Down syndrome to this world

 

[donkiez]

Yes I agree that Dawkins is a fucking tool for telling people they are immoral to bring a child with Down syndrome to this world

and you agree with my freedom?

 

[magnifier661]

and you agree with my freedom?

Yeah man you can kill your fetus. Choice is yours. Now can you agree that Dawkins was completely out of line for that disgusting comment?

 

[donkiez]

Yeah man you can kill your fetus. Choice is yours. Now can you agree that Dawkins was completely out of line for that disgusting comment?

I thought I already agreed that your version of what he said is disgusting.

I admire your emotion on the subject, but if you want to be taken seriously then hold off on the Hilter comparisons. Burning jews is not even in the same ball park.

 

[jlprk]

Hitler's philosophy was eugenics, which dominated European philosophy for decades until he shamed it and everyone abandoned it. He systematically killed the retarded, Downs people, etc. I assume this is why Magnifier mentioned Hitler.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Does an embryo have a soul? If not, this is moot.

Think of it as removing gallstones.

 

[jlprk]

I re-read the 2 articles early in this thread. Dawkins simply said that it's unethical not to abort a Downs baby. He did not say that his ethic should be enforced by law. So he would say, you should go by my ethics, but if you don't, you shouldn't be forced to.

So rest easy, anti-abortionists. Pro-abortionists will gain no power even if Dawkins' ethic spreads.

 

[magnifier661]

I re-read the 2 articles early in this thread. Dawkins simply said that it's unethical not to abort a Downs baby. He did not say that his ethic should be enforced by law. So he would say, you should go by my ethics, but if you don't, you shouldn't be forced to.

So rest easy, anti-abortionists. Pro-abortionists will gain no power even if Dawkins' ethic spreads.

It's not that he has the power to force people. It's that he thinks people should abort their Down syndrome babies or they are lacking morality.

Some sick ass shit

 

[Further]

The other side of this topic is real interesting, where are the ethical lines with regards to genetic manipulation down the line? A woman wants her child to be 6'4", have an IQ of 160 and to be a great athlete so she has certain genes switched on or off, is that ok? What about when everyone starts doing it? What about when only the wealthy can afford it, so the wealthy kids are always the richest, smartest, best looking and the gap widens? Just some ethical issues to think about regarding what will be possible in 30 years (of less).

 

[Denny Crane]

When she clubs you to death, should I remind you of your belief, or just watch silently, in respect of your crazy belief?

That's not doing something to her own body. Weak sauce.

 

[Denny Crane]

The other side of this topic is real interesting, where are the ethical lines with regards to genetic manipulation down the line? A woman wants her child to be 6'4", have an IQ of 160 and to be a great athlete so she has certain genes switched on or off, is that ok? What about when everyone starts doing it? What about when only the wealthy can afford it, so the wealthy kids are always the richest, smartest, best looking and the gap widens? Just some ethical issues to think about regarding what will be possible in 30 years (of less).

Only GOD can do that.

 

[barfo]

It's not that he has the power to force people. It's that he thinks people should abort their Down syndrome babies or they are lacking morality.

Some sick ass shit

So what? He's not forcing anyone to do anything. I don't see the comparison with Hitler myself. Words are different than actions.

I don't see how Dawkins telling people what he thinks is moral is any different than you telling people what you think is moral.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

So what? He's not forcing anyone to do anything. I don't see the comparison with Hitler myself. Words are different than actions.

I don't see how Dawkins telling people what he thinks is moral is any different than you telling people what you think is moral.

barfo

So what? A man lost his basketball team because of telling his girlfriend to not bring a black man with her to the game.

I guess Down syndrome is okay to talk about. They don't have the same rights as the black folk?

 

[Minstrel]

Richard Dawkins should lose his basketball team, too.

 

[barfo]

So what? A man lost his basketball team because of telling his girlfriend to not bring a black man with her to the game.

I guess Down syndrome is okay to talk about. They don't have the same rights as the black folk?

I don't think Dawkins is an NBA owner. But if Sterling had said Down Syndrome people instead of blacks, then I would guess the reaction would have been about the same - maybe a little less because most of his players don't have Down Syndrome.

Why is it ok for you to express your moral opinions but it isn't ok for Dawkins to do so?

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think Dawkins is an NBA owner. But if Sterling had said Down Syndrome people instead of blacks, then I would guess the reaction would have been about the same - maybe a little less because most of his players don't have Down Syndrome.

Why is it ok for you to express your moral opinions but it isn't ok for Dawkins to do so?

barfo

Tell that to the white supremacist. There draws a line to when a person is saying a certain people are lower than others. A waste of medical expense, etc...

Of course he has a right to say what's on his mind, just as the white supremacist can say that white people are better than everyone else. Still makes his opinion disgusting.

 

[jlprk]

The woman has a right to use her body as she sees fit.

You can't possibly believe that, without limit. You're just repeating brief slogans instead of fleshing out the issues.

I absolutely believe it. Absolutely. As in "absolute."

When she clubs you to death, should I remind you of your belief, or just watch silently, in respect of your crazy belief?

That's not doing something to her own body. Weak sauce.

Better pay attention to detail when you carelessly scribble slogans.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

When a male honey bee climaxes during sex, his testicles explode and he dies.