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i agree with your RJ premise NJN687, the thing i always enjoyed watching the most in RJ's game was his defense, slowing down the top scoring wing on each team, this year he was like a turnstile, i don't know if any stats are available but if you subtract the points allowed from the increase in scoring, it must be a significant negative number

any other thoughts on the reasons why....i just don't know if more focus on offense is enough of a reason....maybe just the overall decline in team defense leads him to not trust his teammates to do the same job he used to do
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I rather see an all-around RJ with defense than a RJ who shoots the 3 better and averages more points, more games .. whatever.. I just miss the guy who rebounds passes the ball, defends and play more team ball.

Yes, the problem is the whole team including the coach. RJ is part of the team. BUT do not put all the blame on him, its not like if he played more all-rounded the team would win.</div>

Why not blame RJ? He is part of the team, and the whole team is to blame for this dismal season.

The only reason I'm singling him out is because that's what this thread is about: singling out RJ.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd measured 6'3" when he was drafted and Howard is 6'5" he just looks taller because of his wingspan he was probably originally billed as 6'7" to get more interest as a prospect.

spartannj they give players the option of choosing to be listed at their barefoot height or height in shoes. That's why when Shaq and Ilgauskas stood next to eachother a few years ago for the all star portrait they were the same height.

Regarding Sean Williams height Marv Albert has pointed out Sean being much shorter than his listed height many times. Krstic I know was closer to 6'11" when he was drafted but I read in Sports Illustrated that he grew an inch and he is around 7 feet now.

Back to the topic I am not trying to put all the blame on RJ for the season I am just pointing out that contrary to popular belief RJ is not having a career season and he was much better in 05'-06'. Sure there is plenty of blame to go around for example Vince Carter needed to be the aggressive first option he's been the last 11 games 6 months ago. Next season we need VC to be the scorer he can be and RJ to be the all around player he can be. The reason why the thread points out RJ is because VC has been criticized very often for not having a season up to his standards.</div>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 7 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I rather see an all-around RJ with defense than a RJ who shoots the 3 better and averages more points, more games .. whatever.. I just miss the guy who rebounds passes the ball, defends and play more team ball.

Yes, the problem is the whole team including the coach. RJ is part of the team. BUT do not put all the blame on him, its not like if he played more all-rounded the team would win.</div>

Why not blame RJ? He is part of the team, and the whole team is to blame for this dismal season.

The only reason I'm singling him out is because that's what this thread is about: singling out RJ.
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I agree, I do blame RJ. But its not completely his fault that the team is having a dismal season. It just seemed like people were blaming RJ alone for the season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 7 2008, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd measured 6'3" when he was drafted and Howard is 6'5" he just looks taller because of his wingspan he was probably originally billed as 6'7" to get more interest as a prospect.

spartannj they give players the option of choosing to be listed at their barefoot height or height in shoes. That's why when Shaq and Ilgauskas stood next to eachother a few years ago for the all star portrait they were the same height.

Regarding Sean Williams height Marv Albert has pointed out Sean being much shorter than his listed height many times. Krstic I know was closer to 6'11" when he was drafted but I read in Sports Illustrated that he grew an inch and he is around 7 feet now.

Back to the topic I am not trying to put all the blame on RJ for the season I am just pointing out that contrary to popular belief RJ is not having a career season and he was much better in 05'-06'. Sure there is plenty of blame to go around for example Vince Carter needed to be the aggressive first option he's been the last 11 games 6 months ago. Next season we need VC to be the scorer he can be and RJ to be the all around player he can be. The reason why the thread points out RJ is because VC has been criticized very often for not having a season up to his standards.</div>

Hey welcome to SportsTwo! Send me a PM if you have any questions about the site. You surely seem like a well-minded poster and we're glad to have you on here.
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Thanks.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Back to the topic I am not trying to put all the blame on RJ for the season I am just pointing out that contrary to popular belief RJ is not having a career season and he was much better in 05'-06'. Sure there is plenty of blame to go around for example Vince Carter needed to be the aggressive first option he's been the last 11 games 6 months ago. Next season we need VC to be the scorer he can be and RJ to be the all around player he can be. The reason why the thread points out RJ is because VC has been criticized very often for not having a season up to his standards.</div>

After playing third fiddle to Vince and Kidd even pre-injury Nenad for years you can still fault the guy for trying to grow as a player, while comming off an injury year? Nice to know that some people still have all the answers.
 
This whole thread is ridiculous...it's not like RJ has been going to the allstar game every season...he's far from overrated.
 
If that damn Jefferson stopped being so lazy we'd be a championship contender! Everyone knows this team only goes as far as he takes them. Always trying to leak out and get the easy bucket rather than fighting with Boone and Krstic for the boards. Drives the lane and fakes a foul just so he can get the free throws and pad his stats. I'm surprised he hasn't been yelling at his teammates to get out and run more so he can get more transition buckets like in the old days and have a better FG%.

His defense does suck.




This thread is really pathetic.
 
I've heard many Nets fan say he should be an all star this season which makes no sense. I don't care what excuses you use 4 rebounds and his defense is not getting it done. He has become a better scorer but he's also become one dimensional.

Let me ask you this. Besides score what else does RJ really do now?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 7 2008, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've heard many Nets fan say he should be an all star this season which makes no sense. I don't care what excuses you use 4 rebounds and his defense is not getting it done. He has become a better scorer but he's also become one dimensional.

Let me ask you this. Besides score what else does RJ really do now?</div>
Talk too much?
 
I don't know if he's overrated, but he's definitely overpaid. If you figure the top tier SFs are LBJ, Carmelo, TMac and Pierce, then RJ is in the next tier with Butler, Maggette, Iguodala, Josh Howard, Turkoglu, Gerald Wallace, Deng and Artest. Is he clearly better than half those guys? He makes more than every one of them, by a lot.

I agree with NI that he's not the problem, and I'm happy to have him, but his salary definitely adds to the impression that he's overrated.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (essrog @ Apr 8 2008, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know if he's overrated, but he's definitely overpaid. If you figure the top tier SFs are LBJ, Carmelo, TMac and Pierce, then RJ is in the next tier with Butler, Maggette, Iguodala, Josh Howard, Turkoglu, Gerald Wallace, Deng and Artest. Is he clearly better than half those guys? He makes more than every one of them, by a lot.

I agree with NI that he's not the problem, and I'm happy to have him, but his salary definitely adds to the impression that he's overrated.</div>
I agree with this. He is overpaid. If he made $8-9mm per season I don't think anyone would be thinking he's overrated.
 
He just didn't develop in the way everyone expected him to.
In his early (Finals) years he was an excellent slasher and good defender.
Then he turned into a good defender and a decent all around player.
Then he started working on his shot to compliment VC.
Now he forgot about almost everything besides shooting.

Maybe it's not that he forgot. He's also being asked to play on the wing a lot more. They kind of messed it up though in my opinion. They should asked him to GUARD the wing but still play inside, while on occasion being a spot up shooter.

Ever since 01-02 I've found myself wishing he tried to improve his handle a bit. His dribble looks very forced. He often coughs up the ball or stagnates the offense by messing up with the ball.

Maybe he can do some Rocky style training while dribbling a basketball for a couple of weeks?
 
Not pointing out on stats alone, I do think RJ is overrated. Put RJ on a different situation, say with a contender, he would be a 2nd option at best. The guy isn't really a great shooter, or even a good 1-on-1 player. A lot of his game is forced. On a positive note, RJ has utilized his physical gifts well to compensate for his basketball skills.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 9 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not pointing out on stats alone, I do think RJ is overrated. Put RJ on a different situation, say with a contender, he would be a 2nd option at best. The guy isn't really a great shooter, or even a good 1-on-1 player. A lot of his game is forced. On a positive note, RJ has utilized his physical gifts well to compensate for his basketball skills.</div>

More like 3rd option, or maybe even 4th.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 9 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 9 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not pointing out on stats alone, I do think RJ is overrated. Put RJ on a different situation, say with a contender, he would be a 2nd option at best. The guy isn't really a great shooter, or even a good 1-on-1 player. A lot of his game is forced. On a positive note, RJ has utilized his physical gifts well to compensate for his basketball skills.</div>

More like 3rd option, or maybe even 4th.
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4th? Lot of hate in that post Peg.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 9 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 9 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 9 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not pointing out on stats alone, I do think RJ is overrated. Put RJ on a different situation, say with a contender, he would be a 2nd option at best. The guy isn't really a great shooter, or even a good 1-on-1 player. A lot of his game is forced. On a positive note, RJ has utilized his physical gifts well to compensate for his basketball skills.</div>

More like 3rd option, or maybe even 4th.
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4th? Lot of hate in that post Peg.
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3rd option at best, 4th at worst. Most teams he'd be 3rd option, a few teams (such as the Suns, Magic, Bulls, etc.) he'd be 4th option.
 
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