Richard Jefferson will be traded this summer

[furnace]

I have learned from a source inside the Nets that it is extremely likely that Richard Jefferson will be traded.

All of us have been over time and time again the reason why he will or won't be traded, so that is not news.

This post only serves as confirmation that RJ is on the trading block.

Of course, if there are no good offers, he will be back...but Rod is actively shopping RJ.


Circle the wagons peeps, the glory days are over. Rough waters ahead. We'll see who the true Nets fans are...

 

[Jizzy]

it's ok, furnace, we're going to draft the next kerry kittles

 

[cpawfan]

Furnace, thanks for sharing this additional confirmation.

The writing has been on the wall for sometime now, but I won't be surprised to see RJ back next season since the Kidd trade has only served to encourage Thorn that he can wait for what he wants and that somebody will eventually pay it.

 

[Dumpy]

why would this possibly make you angry, unless you suspect that they;ll just get crap back?

 

[Black Republican]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 21 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why would this possibly make you angry, unless you suspect that they;ll just get crap back?</div>
Cuz he's a Richard's stan.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 21 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Furnace, thanks for sharing this additional confirmation.

The writing has been on the wall for sometime now, but I won't be surprised to see RJ back next season since the Kidd trade has only served to encourage Thorn that he can wait for what he wants and that somebody will eventually pay it.</div>

That sentiment was all over the Thorn media availability today.

The other somewhat hidden headline was that the Nets are not going to spend a lot of money.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 21 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The other somewhat hidden headline was that the Nets are not going to spend a lot of money.</div>

Is that really news?

Thought means less on the books when LBJ opts out.

-Petey

 

[purplehaze89]

Why do people continually pine for teams that were dismantled half a decade ago. Rough times ahead are natural for a rebuilding team. I also foresee good times ahead as well.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 21 2008, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 21 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Furnace, thanks for sharing this additional confirmation.

The writing has been on the wall for sometime now, but I won't be surprised to see RJ back next season since the Kidd trade has only served to encourage Thorn that he can wait for what he wants and that somebody will eventually pay it.</div>

That sentiment was all over the Thorn media availability today.

The other somewhat hidden headline was that the Nets are not going to spend a lot of money.
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I think he was playing his cards close to the vest in order to preserve value. Once he says "we're trading Richard" other GMs will think he has to and low ball him.

 

[Answer_AI03]

Getting rid of Vince is the next step. If Thorne doesn't completely dedicate himself to rebuilding, everyone better be ready for mediocrity for a very very long time. Being in between rebuilding and trying to contend just doesn't work.

 

[FOMW]

I love RJ, but it really needs to happen. Or, more precisely, one of RJ or Vince need to go so that a knockdown shooter can be placed at the other spot.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Apr 21 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting rid of Vince is the next step. If Thorne doesn't completely dedicate himself to rebuilding, everyone better be ready for mediocrity for a very very long time. Being in between rebuilding and trying to contend just doesn't work.</div>

It is difficult, but it can work. It has worked for several teams, including the Lakers.

 

[Dumpy]

One often-recited criticism of Thorn is that he waits too long to trade his assets. Well, RJ didn't miss a single game, and had his highest scoring average as a pro. Without looking, I'd guess that he also had his highest three-point shooting percentage as well. Trading him now should make someone happy.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 21 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One often-recited criticism of Thorn is that he waits too long to trade his assets. Well, RJ didn't miss a single game, and had his highest scoring average as a pro. Without looking, I'd guess that he also had his highest three-point shooting percentage as well. Trading him now should make someone happy.</div>

You don't say

http://sportstwo.com/forums/Time-complete-clear-t111937.html

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Apr 21 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do people continually pine for teams that were dismantled half a decade ago. Rough times ahead are natural for a rebuilding team. I also foresee good times ahead as well.</div>

Instant success after years upon years of failure and misery has a way of doing that to people.

 

[Master Shake]

I say he comes to the Raptors and becomes that 3 guard we need.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 22 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say he comes to the Raptors and becomes that 3 guard we need.</div>

Only if you take Marcus and give up Bosh and Jose

 

[MaxaMillion711]

actually, RJ on the Raptors would be great for them. Who would we get? Parker and Moon?

 

[Chutney]

He'd be good. But I don't want any part of that contract.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 22 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say he comes to the Raptors and becomes that 3 guard we need.</div>
I thought Bosh wanted that job!

 

[kdub]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 22 2008, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 22 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say he comes to the Raptors and becomes that 3 guard we need.</div>
I thought Bosh wanted that job!

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It's Mitchell that wants Bosh to have that job.

 

[infinet]

Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small.

So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so.

If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.

 

[Astral]

I'd trade RJ for another wing if a better opporunity presented itself. RJ started out as a good defensive player. Then NJ struggled with shooting and he tries to become more of a shooter.. all the time losing focus on defense. So now, instead of being a good slasher/defender/running mate, he turned into a "jack of all trades"... except instead of being a jack, he's more like an 8 :/

With Harris here, we dont need his penetration. His defense isn't as good as it used to be, and he's not nearly as good of a spot up shooter as we need. Trade him for a spot up shooter who can defend + picks and I'm happy.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small.

So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so.

If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.</div>

RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense.

With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that.

But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand.

So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use.

 

[NOMAM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 22 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense.

With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that.

But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand.

So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use.</div>

If they are first able to get a big like Brand for a package of Swift, Hassell, the Williams, and their pick, then another option to go with RJ if they want to trade him is to use him to gain quality bench depth. A team like the Raptors would be good trade partners with all the shooters they have that could be incorporated into a Nets 2nd unit. Only problem is they are in the same division and could really use a wing like RJ. They have guys like Parker, Kapono, Bargnani, Moon and maybe even Calderon who could be used in a trade.

So say could get Parker, Bargnani, + Moon and maybe a pick or RJ. Then they use there MLE for a backup PG like Gibson and resign Diop and Nachbar. And then use Van Horn + Ager in a trade for a SF like Pietrus

That could give them a bench of:

Gibson
Parker
Nachbar/Moon
Bargnani
Diop/Boone

 

[Chutney]

Oh god no, that trade is terrible for the Raptors. I wouldn't trade either Parker or Bargnani straight up for Jefferson.

The Raptors are just below contender status, but they aren't in a "win now" mode, like Dumpy was talking about. Our core is still very young and our window of opportunity should extend on for quite some time. We can count on internal development and have the freedom to find sensible, quality pieces to add to the roster. We don't need to gamble it all on that one player who could "push us over the top." Bringing in Jefferson would needlessly mess up our salary structure for the next few years.

 

[infinet]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 22 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small.

So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so.

If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.</div>

RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense.

With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that.

But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand.

So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use.
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He may have peaked, but is that a bad thing? Afterall he isn't 21 anymore.

With Captain Jack and Ellis, I dont see the Warriors being interested.

The only teams that in my mind would be viable trading partners or who would be interested in him are Portland, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Chicago (only if they cant come to an agreement with Deng).

With Portland and Atlanta being the most realistic IMHO. Brand is a pipedream. He is not leaving LA and Sterling loves him. He'll retire a Clipper.

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 22 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small.

So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so.

If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.</div>

RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense.

With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that.

But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand.

So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use.
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He may have peaked, but is that a bad thing? Afterall he isn't 21 anymore.

With Captain Jack and Ellis, I dont see the Warriors being interested.

The only teams that in my mind would be viable trading partners or who would be interested in him are Portland, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Chicago (only if they cant come to an agreement with Deng).

With Portland and Atlanta being the most realistic IMHO. Brand is a pipedream. He is not leaving LA and Sterling loves him. He'll retire a Clipper.
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why would ATL want him? they already have Marvin, Jsmoove, and Childress is restricted. If they would want him, could we get Childress, Speedy and a pick?

 

[Chutney]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 22 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small.

So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so.

If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.</div>

RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense.

With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that.

But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand.

So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use.
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He may have peaked, but is that a bad thing? Afterall he isn't 21 anymore.

With Captain Jack and Ellis, I dont see the Warriors being interested.

The only teams that in my mind would be viable trading partners or who would be interested in him are Portland, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Chicago (only if they cant come to an agreement with Deng).

With Portland and Atlanta being the most realistic IMHO. Brand is a pipedream. He is not leaving LA and Sterling loves him. He'll retire a Clipper.
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In terms of trade negotiations that's a bad thing, because his salary increases a lot over the next 4 years.

 

[FOMW]

The teams that I think might be looking for someone like RJ include:

<ul>[*]Toronto (needs a hard-nosed slasher that can generate inside offense and FT opportunities while still being an outside thread)[*]Houston (badly needs another scorer)[*]Portland (up and coming team in need of a solid vet with playoff experience)[*]Utah (a 20 ppg SF who moves well off the ball would solidify their chances to compete for a title)[*]Phoenix (would love a 3 that can finish strong on the break to replace Marion)[*]Sacramento (likely losing Artest and needs a scoring 3 who moves well without the ball and can score in a variety of ways)[*]Miami might well be interested if they lose Marion to free agency.[*]Lakers might be interested in swapping Odom for a guy like RJ in recognition of the fact that a quicker 3 with more consistency as a long range shooter would be desirable to compliment a starting front court of Bynum and Gasol.[/list]
So that's at least 6 and possibly 8 teams that might have a legit interest in RJ.