Science Right-to-carry laws make us less safe

[riverman]

It appears you think guns are evil.

nope...just don't trust enough people who would carry them around....big difference

 

[MarAzul]

nope...just don't trust enough people who would carry them around....big difference

Yeah, it would be wonderful if I were the only one armed.

 

[Cippy91]

nope...just don't trust enough people who would carry them around....big difference

It's not like concealed carry permits are handed out like candy.

 

[Denny Crane]

For roughly 200 years, the government never came for everyone's guns, nor even contemplated it. If we weren't to have this Liberty, it would have been made clear early on. The right to own guns made the founders' top 10 list. The Bill of Rights. They wanted it perfectly clear.

Liberty is not granted by the government, period.

 

[riverman]

the government never came for everyone's guns, nor even contemplated it.

Guns back there could shoot a musket ball every couple minutes...let's say weapons have changed

 

[Rastapopoulos]

For roughly 200 years, the government never came for everyone's guns, nor even contemplated it. If we weren't to have this Liberty, it would have been made clear early on. The right to own guns made the founders' top 10 list. The Bill of Rights. They wanted it perfectly clear.

Liberty is not granted by the government, period.

But they came for their bazookas and surface-to-air missiles, didn't they? And I feel my liberty to own a suitcase-sized nuclear weapon is cruelly restricted. At least let me have a flamethrower, tyrants!

 

[Jade Falcon]

nope...just don't trust enough people who would carry them around....big difference

Why? River, very few people who carry a gun are truly unsafe or even borderline criminal.

If anything, when I personally got my permit, knowing that I had a gun on my hip completely changed my outlook on things. It makes you more conservative in your every day life. It makes you reevaluate your behavior, where you go, who you associate with, and how you conduct yourself in public. Because you have a tool on your hip (or wherever you choose to carry it) that has the ability to kill someone.

That is the majority of gun owners who legally carry a gun. Remember, there are millions of them, and you only hear about the bad apples when they make the news. So what about the rest of them?

I get it: it's your choice if you don't want to carry. That's your freedom to do so. Only you can decide whether carrying a firearm is right for you; nobody else.

I just hope you don't lump those who do carry legally into a group of people who shouldn't.

And I hope that you are never in another violent encounter with a criminal who has a gun. But....if you are, I hope a good guy is there with a gun of their own.

Guns back there could shoot a musket ball every couple minutes...let's say weapons have changed

Muskets were the "Assault Rifles" of their day. Do you think the British wanted the Colonists to have them? Hell no.

But they came for their bazookas and surface-to-air missiles, didn't they? And I feel my liberty to own a suitcase-sized nuclear weapon is cruelly restricted. At least let me have a flamethrower, tyrants!

.....and then there's THIS garbage. Unfortunately, this is the kind of sarcastic mentality that the majority of anti-gun people hold, which is why pro-gun folks win most of their arguments, and why nobody takes anti-gun folk seriously.

 

[jonnyboy]

Its science.

 

[MarAzul]

why interfere

Guns back there could shoot a musket ball every couple minutes...let's say weapons have changed

You know, it doesn't take too many comments like this one before it is clear. You really don't give a shit what the Constitutions says or why in any case.
You just want some appointed judge to rule the moon is made of blue cheese, therefore a hunk of Limburger is the most lethal weapon you can own.
Libs do the happy dance.

 

[MarAzul]

For roughly 200 years, the government never came for everyone's guns

Guns back there could shoot a musket ball every couple minutes

When I was a young guy, information came by the radio, a boring Newspaper, and Catalogs in the mail. The Stoeger Arms was one of my favorite to read. It had the information on all the guns made every where in the world. This was a time when all of Africa was colonial countries, rule out in Europe. Stoeger had a whole section of the catalog reserved to the arms available for sale to the native populations of the countries in Africa. Of course, the Europeans could find their Jefferys 5000 or the 600 Nitro in the front sections. The Natives where restricted guns in the back section.
Small caliber single shot rifles and some large caliber mussel loaders. Black power guns.

If this were another thread, most in this forum would be outraged at this treatment if it were going on today.

But look at river's post above. I do believe he is suggesting this should be the way in the US today.

 

[Jade Falcon]

When I was a young guy, information came by the radio, a boring Newspaper, and Catalogs in the mail. The Stoeger Arms was one of my favorite to read. It had the information on all the guns made every where in the world. This was a time when all of Africa was colonial countries, rule out in Europe. Stoeger had a whole section of the catalog reserved to the arms available for sale to the native populations of the countries in Africa. Of course, the Europeans could find their Jefferys 5000 or the 600 Nitro in the front sections. The Natives where restricted guns in the back section.
Small caliber single shot rifles and some large caliber mussel loaders. Black power guns.

If this were another thread, most in this forum would be outraged at this treatment if it were going on today.

But look at river's post above. I do believe he is suggesting this should be the way in the US today.

River at least has his heart in the right place. I'm more concerned about people like Rasta; who not only spread propaganda, but actually believe it as well.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Jade Falcon]

.....the NRA doesn't pass laws. Jesus Christ.

Maybe....just maybe....if your fucking lawyers and judges would be harder on felons instead of giving them plea bargains.....this wouldn't be so much of an issue.

But no.....blame the NRA instead. That's some straight up bullshit. Anyone with half a brain can look past his emotional crap and see the root cause of the issue there. Get judges and prosecutors on the bench who will enforce the goddamn laws as they were written, and send these motherfuckers to prison where they belong.

 

[riverman]

You really don't give a shit what the Constitutions says or why in any case.

crock of steaming shit dude.....I want a safe country...there's a time to take up arms and it's not when you're going to school or a public concert or church, etc....but you keep trying to define me as if I live in some small minded bubble.....maybe you're projecting these things but it doesn't make for intelligent conversation...you romanticize about hundreds of years ago when women couldn't vote and people owned slaves and indentured servants...we've moved on. I'm not a guy who wants lawyers arguing for me...I'll speak for myself...comprendo?

 

[Jade Falcon]

crock of steaming shit dude.....I want a safe country...there's a time to take up arms and it's not when you're going to school or a public concert or church, etc

YOUR opinion. In case if you haven't noticed, that's exactly where the headlines for violence have been in recent years. And those weren't the law-abiding gun owners that you have so much of a problem with. Those were criminals who don't care about laws, or your feelings on the matter.

So....you want a safe country. Good, so do I. I also want to be responsible for my OWN safety. And I don't need anti-gun folks or politicians deciding that for me.

you romanticize about hundreds of years ago when women couldn't vote and people owned slaves and indentured servants...we've moved on.

Society has moved on, but violence is still violence, and it's still here. You're either prepared to face it when it happens, or not. The middle ground is you wait and see, and hope that the guy who just murdered 7 people in the store next to you at the mall doesn't come for you next.

Good luck with that, truly. That's not a chance I'm willing to take, so I'll carry where and when I feel it's appropriate, for my OWN safety.

 

[Denny Crane]

Guns back there could shoot a musket ball every couple minutes...let's say weapons have changed

They had repeat firing guns in the 1800s. Let's say they haven't changed that much.

 

[Denny Crane]

But they came for their bazookas and surface-to-air missiles, didn't they? And I feel my liberty to own a suitcase-sized nuclear weapon is cruelly restricted. At least let me have a flamethrower, tyrants!

Have a tissue.

 

[Jade Falcon]

They had repeat firing guns in the 1800s. Let's say they haven't changed that much.

I just watched a documentary last night about the Zeppelins. They were considered by the British to be "Weapons of Mass Destruction".

Crossbows used by the Chinese and British armies were once considered instruments of terror.

Boy, if only they could see us today....

Let's not forget that Charles Whitman murdered over a dozen people with nothing more than a common shotgun and a bolt-action 6mm Remington rifle in 1966.

Today's AR-15s will one day be tomorrow's relics. I wonder what anti-gun politicians excuses will be then?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

When I was a young guy, information came by the radio, a boring Newspaper, and Catalogs in the mail. The Stoeger Arms was one of my favorite to read. It had the information on all the guns made every where in the world. This was a time when all of Africa was colonial countries, rule out in Europe. Stoeger had a whole section of the catalog reserved to the arms available for sale to the native populations of the countries in Africa. Of course, the Europeans could find their Jefferys 5000 or the 600 Nitro in the front sections. The Natives where restricted guns in the back section.
Small caliber single shot rifles and some large caliber mussel loaders. Black power guns.

If this were another thread, most in this forum would be outraged at this treatment if it were going on today.

But look at river's post above. I do believe he is suggesting this should be the way in the US today.

Wow, don't know anything about that but sounds completely plausible.

 

[riverman]

They had repeat firing guns in the 1800s. Let's say they haven't changed that much.

nonsense....a six gun repeater is hardly an AK47 or a machine gun or a flame thrower or a nuclear bomb.....we can wipe out entire cities with one of those puppies....the guy who invented the machine gun in Spain was executed for crimes against humanity...they claimed it took the honor out of combat...now having any maladjusted angry person able to carry a gun that will shoot dozens of rounds in a second is a different ballgame...sporting rifles are repeaters...I've owned several....they are not assault rifles .....I'm not anti gun...I'm anti gun violence and don't see handguns or assault weapons as keeping the public safe ever...on the same line I don't want people building bombs or mixing up chemical weapons in their basement....when the Constitution was written they didn't say you could not make bombs or nerve gas or own a flame thrower, etc.....assault weapons fit that category to me.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This racist prick just said that young black kids who are guilty of misdemeanors should lose their constitutional rights. That's who he is talking about clearly.

 

[Jade Falcon]

sporting rifles are repeaters...I've owned several....they are not assault rifles

Neither are AR-15s.

and don't see handguns or assault weapons as keeping the public safe ever

Then you are completely ignorant. As I have said before, there are numerous cases across the US every day of guns being used in self-defense, whether it's simply drawing the gun or shooting a guy who wants to rob your store.

By the way....AR-15s don't shoot a "dozen rounds a second". M-16s might come close, but they are HIGHLY restricted and VERY expensive. And any Select-Fire firearm made after 1986 is restricted to Law Enforcement Dealers and Military personnel only, and there are no exceptions to that.

See, this is why nobody listens to these kinds of arguments or takes them seriously. They are easily debunked and explained away, if only you use your head instead of your heart.

 

[riverman]

This racist prick just said that young black kids who are guilty of misdemeanors should lose their constitutional rights. That's who he is talking about clearly.

when the Constitution was written, those kids had no rights at all.....so you're saying our founding fathers were racist fucks who wrote the Constitution only for white men excluding only Irish and Italian immigrants, women, native americans and slaves?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

when the Constitution was written, those kids had no rights at all.....so you're saying our founding fathers were racist fucks who wrote the Constitution only for white men excluding only Irish and Italian immigrants, women, native americans and slaves?

This might be the dumbest thing you've ever posted here but I should have expected it. Welcome to my first real ignore. You've convinced me it is wise.

 

[Jade Falcon]

This might be the dumbest thing you've ever posted here but I should have expected it. Welcome to my first real ignore. You've convinced me it is wise.

As much as I disagree with him, I would encourage you not to ignore him. That only gives ammunition to people's feelings; whether that be scorn or superiority. Argue logic, sense, and rational reason with him, and hope that he finds something you agree on.

 

[riverman]

This might be the dumbest thing you've ever posted here but I should have expected it. Welcome to my first real ignore. You've convinced me it is wise.

Adios......I'll refrain from insulting your schpiel.....it speaks for itself

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

As much as I disagree with him, I would encourage you not to ignore him. That only gives ammunition to people's feelings; whether that be scorn or superiority. Argue logic, sense, and rational reason with him, and hope that he finds something you agree on.

I was kidding. He'll never understand logic so I might just play along. He can't see this can he? He's on ignore.



Ha, still kidding.

 

[MarAzul]

when the Constitution was written

founding fathers were racist fucks

crock of steaming shit dude

I'll speak for myself

comprendo?

>>> I got it. Sum it up. You don't give a shit what the Constitutions says, you reject it.
I find that un-American. That is the basis for Uniting the many States and you disrespect it.

you romanticize about hundreds of years ago when women couldn't vote and people owned slaves and indentured servants

>>> The classic display from the elitist liberal that wants to show disdain for the Constitution. I seems humorous to me that this also shows the lack of historical knowledge that all of these
ills you use, to trash the foundation of America, were not invented by the founders. But they have been corrected in the Constitution by constitutional procedures that you don't even recognize.

I think you make the case yourself, very well indeed, you don't give a shit what the Constitution says. That leaves little room for a discussion with a logical American.
The Constitution is the Law as it stands. Adjust your emotions to that reality.

 

[Denny Crane]

nonsense....a six gun repeater is hardly an AK47 or a machine gun or a flame thrower or a nuclear bomb.....we can wipe out entire cities with one of those puppies....the guy who invented the machine gun in Spain was executed for crimes against humanity...they claimed it took the honor out of combat...now having any maladjusted angry person able to carry a gun that will shoot dozens of rounds in a second is a different ballgame...sporting rifles are repeaters...I've owned several....they are not assault rifles .....I'm not anti gun...I'm anti gun violence and don't see handguns or assault weapons as keeping the public safe ever...on the same line I don't want people building bombs or mixing up chemical weapons in their basement....when the Constitution was written they didn't say you could not make bombs or nerve gas or own a flame thrower, etc.....assault weapons fit that category to me.

A 6 shooter is hardly a musket.

 

[Denny Crane]

Just LOL

http://www.armslist.com/posts/26339...s--m136-at4-rocket-launcher-perfect-condition