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beast crnjo said:
And no one remembers them because they weren't memorable characters.
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The fact sly remembered this enough to post on it years after it happens completely kills your point.

How did you not realize this when you posted it? Lol.

And why do you have so many issues with so many different people? Why does everything make you angry?

There's a lyric from "Mirrors reflection" by the band taproot, that seems pretty fitting here:

"What you don't like about me is what you hate in yourself. You should see through others eyes before you go ahead and make them feel like shit."

Just a thought.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Yes, the MAGAs are upset over the Star Wars show and the current season of The Boys that just started.

The Star Wars show because of... oh god... Lesbians.

And The Boys because Homelander is being compared to Trump.
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I'm not sure the mothers are even lesbian. I think one is a surrogate and the other created the kids. Though if they are lesbian, cool. No issue there.

You would think MAGA would be thrilled to have Homelander compared to Trump...well at least in the beginning of the series. They know he is going to lose so I get it.

I get why else they are pissed at season 4. A strong black female character. A gay character who was always very clearly gay. They had other gay characters earlier on. They had a dude miniaturize and go up another dudes penis. But, who cares. It's a show built on pumping out the wildest shit to subvert expectations.
 
Wait until he finds out Wonder Woman...

wait for it...

wait for it...

COMES FROM AN ISLAND OF ALL LESBIANS!

OMG! WONDER WOKER! :Sly::Sly::Sly:
 
RR7 said:
If you don't like shows with blacks and women, the simple thing to do is not watch. You don't have to bang the bigoted asshole drum so loud.
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If everyone doesn't 100% cater everything to their needs at all times, they are woke "libtards." Fucking whinging snowflakes the lot of them.
 
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theprunetang said:
I just loved his role as Emissary. They really fleshed out that whole religious aspect and it worked for me. It reminds me of the religious undertones of Battlestar Galactica, which I also love.
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You need to roll through Babylon 5. All 5 seasons were mapped out before shooting began so they knew how they wanted to end it. DS9 and BSG I really enjoyed but they never knew where the story arc would end and they both failed to stick the landing. BSG especially.

Also, while B5 had nowhere near the budget that DS9 did, they were first with the Space Station at the center of the religious-based battle of good vs evil.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You need to roll through Babylon 5. All 5 seasons were mapped out before shooting began so they knew how they wanted to end it. DS9 and BSG I really enjoyed but they never knew where the story arc would end and they both failed to stick the landing. BSG especially.

Also, while B5 had nowhere near the budget that DS9 did, they were first with the Space Station at the center of the religious-based battle of good vs evil.
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I'll have to give it another shot sometime. I have half-heartedly tried to start it a couple of times, but it didn't stick. Probably have to watch enough to get used to the level of visuals and special effects offered (sort of like Eccleston era Doctor Who).
 
theprunetang said:
I'll have to give it another shot sometime. I have half-heartedly tried to start it a couple of times, but it didn't stick. Probably have to watch enough to get used to the level of visuals and special effects offered (sort of like Eccleston era Doctor Who).
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They were amazing... in 1993! They haven't aged well, but the story is exceptional through Season 4.
 
theprunetang said:
I'll have to give it another shot sometime. I have half-heartedly tried to start it a couple of times, but it didn't stick. Probably have to watch enough to get used to the level of visuals and special effects offered (sort of like Eccleston era Doctor Who).
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They did a HiDef upgrade a few years back and since Warner Brothers now owns HBO they have put it up on Max occasionally.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Wait until he finds out Wonder Woman...

wait for it...

wait for it...

COMES FROM AN ISLAND OF ALL LESBIANS!

OMG! WONDER WOKER! :NOTMARIS::NOTMARIS::NOTMARIS:
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Yeah, but how does that make fragile men feel?
 
theprunetang said:
Fuck off with that. Captain Janeway is my favorite Star Trek lead. In a close 2nd place is Sisko from Deep Space Nine.
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I only had two problems with Janeway:

1. Her first name being “Katherine” always made her introductions a bit bulky from a multi syllabic point of view. Always sounded a bit to me like she was saying Captain Captain Amway. But maybe that’s just me.

2. They never showed her character smoking. You know with that raspy voice she had to be burning a couple of packs a day.
 
e_blazer said:
I only had two problems with Janeway:

1. Her first name being “Katherine” always made her introductions a bit bulky from a multi syllabic point of view. Always sounded a bit to me like she was saying Captain Captain Amway. But maybe that’s just me.

2. They never showed her character smoking. You know with that raspy voice she had to be burning a couple of packs a day.
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I didn't like her at the time it aired, but I had a lot of insecurities back then. On a more modern rewatch I found her kickass and compelling.
 
I don't care if the shows are about women...... Ahsoka is my favorite Star Wars character from the cartoons..... I just wish the writing was better. I'm not sure why the live action Ahsoka show was so mediocre. It's the same damn writer/director who did the cartoons. I think it's because there's only 8 episodes and he's used to doing 20 episode seasons. The storyline isn't fleshed out enough. Also, I took issue with them trying to make Sabine into a Jedi. Not EVERYONE needs to be a fucking Jedi. She was an awesome character before.

And I was most disappointed with the Acolyte because I was hoping they'd go further back during the Sith empire. Only going back 100 years was a cop out. Plus, the very first scene felt like it was ripped right out of the Matrix because of the fighting style. Has anyone ever seen kung fu in Star Wars before? It just felt weird. And I think making the Jedi into the bad guys is just so..... lame. I still think the best live action show has been Andor by a very wide margin, followed by the Mandalorian. Best movie from Disney was Rogue One.... again.... by a very wide margin.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
I don't care if the shows are about women...... Ahsoka is my favorite Star Wars character from the cartoons..... I just wish the writing was better. I'm not sure why the live action Ahsoka show was so mediocre. It's the same damn writer/director who did the cartoons. I think it's because there's only 8 episodes and he's used to doing 20 episode seasons. The storyline isn't fleshed out enough. Also, I took issue with them trying to make Sabine into a Jedi. Not EVERYONE needs to be a fucking Jedi. She was an awesome character before.

And I was most disappointed with the Acolyte because I was hoping they'd go further back during the Sith empire. Only going back 100 years was a cop out. Plus, the very first scene felt like it was ripped right out of the Matrix because of the fighting style. Has anyone ever seen kung fu in Star Wars before? It just felt weird. And I think making the Jedi into the bad guys is just so..... lame. I still think the best live action show has been Andor by a very wide margin, followed by the Mandalorian. Best movie from Disney was Rogue One.... again.... by a very wide margin.
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This times 1000. Not that I watched the Ahsoka cartoon before, or am that entrenched in Star Wars lore outside of the 10 movies (not counting that clap trap Han Solo).

But it's the *writing*.

The writing and acting in the Han Solo movie was why it sucked (that and the guy looked and acted nothing like Han Solo did in any other movies).

The writing and acting wasn't great in the Obi Wan series. The best episodes of the Boba Fett series were the ones starring Mando.

The Ghostbusters (female version) was bad not because of the stars, but because the writing was dumb.

The reason why R1 was so awesome (and arguably one of the best female leads in a star wars series) was because the writing, story and plot was good. The reason why Last Jedi and RoS was "meh" at best and downright trash at worst, wasn't because of Daisy Ridley, but because the plot and story Arch was rushed and poorly written.

One could even argue the worst part of those 2 movies was the character story Arch of Luke and Kylo Ren, both men.

People want good writing and good plots, and in the long run don't care if it's a female lead vs a male lead (for the most part). However, for some reason
sexism
, people will bitch, make inane pointless posts about movies that star women as the leads, or have more female dominated storylines.

Oh no! they're lesbians!
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't care if the shows are about women...... Ahsoka is my favorite Star Wars character from the cartoons..... I just wish the writing was better. I'm not sure why the live action Ahsoka show was so mediocre. It's the same damn writer/director who did the cartoons. I think it's because there's only 8 episodes and he's used to doing 20 episode seasons. The storyline isn't fleshed out enough. Also, I took issue with them trying to make Sabine into a Jedi. Not EVERYONE needs to be a fucking Jedi. She was an awesome character before.

And I was most disappointed with the Acolyte because I was hoping they'd go further back during the Sith empire. Only going back 100 years was a cop out. Plus, the very first scene felt like it was ripped right out of the Matrix because of the fighting style. Has anyone ever seen kung fu in Star Wars before? It just felt weird. And I think making the Jedi into the bad guys is just so..... lame. I still think the best live action show has been Andor by a very wide margin, followed by the Mandalorian. Best movie from Disney was Rogue One.... again.... by a very wide margin.
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Disney, well-known for their deep and nuanced plots, purchased Star Wars, a franchise well-known for great writing... and we're all surprised by this? This is a large corporation being purchased by a larger corporation entirely to fill out a content stream for a demographic they found themselves not fully exploiting.
 
Everything Beagle said:
This is Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air erasure
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Also What's happening, 227, Amen and Benson (tho I guess that one is harder to argue since it wasn't a mostly black cast, but Robert Guillaume...who btw would've been 97 this year!?) and the Cosby show.

Tho maybe that last one is justified for not being included...
 
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julius said:
This times 1000. Not that I watched the Ahsoka cartoon before, or am that entrenched in Star Wars lore outside of the 10 movies (not counting that clap trap Han Solo).

But it's the *writing*.

The writing and acting in the Han Solo movie was why it sucked (that and the guy looked and acted nothing like Han Solo did in any other movies).

The writing and acting wasn't great in the Obi Wan series. The best episodes of the Boba Fett series were the ones starring Mando.

The Ghostbusters (female version) was bad not because of the stars, but because the writing was dumb.

The reason why R1 was so awesome (and arguably one of the best female leads in a star wars series) was because the writing, story and plot was good. The reason why Last Jedi and RoS was "meh" at best and downright trash at worst, wasn't because of Daisy Ridley, but because the plot and story Arch was rushed and poorly written.

One could even argue the worst part of those 2 movies was the character story Arch of Luke and Kylo Ren, both men.

People want good writing and good plots, and in the long run don't care if it's a female lead vs a male lead (for the most part). However, for some reason
sexism
, people will bitch, make inane pointless posts about movies that star women as the leads, or have more female dominated storylines.

Oh no! they're lesbians!
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The problem is that a lot of these Marvel shows or Star Wars shows are done by people who don't know the source material/don't like the source material and they just want the husk of an established IP so that they can create their own stinky garbage. They need to stop hiring writers/directors who don't even seem to like the genres that they're creating.

She-Hulk was a very popular comic, but the show was just very..... meh.

Echo was apparently not interesting enough, because they completely changed her super power in the TV show and it flopped.
 
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