Robin Williams dead

[PDXFonz]

I'm sorry for your loss. My dad's brother killed himself, too, and left behind two kids. We all deal with things differently, I suppose. I feel that it helped lead to my own dad's death 13 years ago, because he could never understand why his brother killed himself, and why how he could leave behind the kids, who were in their teens.

I'm sorry that I offended you, but I'm not sorry for my opinion on suicide being a cowardly act.

"would rather die than be their dad" is incredibly insensitive when responding to some one who just said they know what the family is going through.

You should be absolutely disgusted with the impulsiveness, and insensitivity you displayed in that post.

I learned long ago not to let the 'opinions' of people like you affect me. Apologize for what ever you want to mask that closed minded mess with...

 

[MickZagger]

Wanna know something creepy? I talked to 3 people minutes before they died.

1.) one of the business partners just came off the phone with me, saying how much he's going to enjoy working with our company. Minutes later I get a call that he shot himself in the head.

2.) an old customer of mine just broke up with his girl and said he was gonna do something stupid. I tried talking him out of it but he said it was too late. Minutes later, he went to the park and shot her in front of her kid. Then turned the gun on himself.

3.) another potential customer was talking to me minutes before he boarded his plane. Told me he would call me when he lands. I found out his plane crashed minutes after take off and he died.

Creeeeeeepy.

 

[NewsSource]

"would rather die than be their dad" is incredibly insensitive when responding to some one who just said they know what the family is going through.

You should be absolutely disgusted with the impulsiveness, and insensitivity you displayed in that post.

I learned long ago not to let the 'opinions' of people like you affect me. Apologize for what ever you want to mask that closed minded mess with...

No, I'm not ashamed. You should be ashamed for thinking that you have the only authoritative opinion on how suicide affects a family. Seems rather selfish to me.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I gotta put Mags on my ignore list now.

 

[PDXFonz]

No, I'm not ashamed. You should be ashamed for thinking that you have the only authoritative opinion on how suicide affects a family. Seems rather selfish to me.

Your head must be so far up your ass man.

 

[NewsSource]

Wanna know something creepy? I talked to 3 people minutes before they died.

1.) one of the business partners just came off the phone with me, saying how much he's going to enjoy working with our company. Minutes later I get a call that he shot himself in the head.

2.) an old customer of mine just broke up with his girl and said he was gonna do something stupid. I tried talking him out of it but he said it was too late. Minutes later, he went to the park and shot her in front of her kid. Then turned the gun on himself.

3.) another potential customer was talking to me minutes before he boarded his plane. Told me he would call me when he lands. I found out his plane crashed minutes after take off and he died.

I talked to my dad 20 minutes before his aorta burst and he died instantly. We were talking about the 2001 World Series while we he was in Missoula, and I was in Portland. My mom was sitting in the chair next to him. He was 56 and in great health, except for the blood pressure and the 2 or 3 gin and tonics after work. He also had called my brother 10 minutes before he called me. He died instantly, and my wife and I (before kids) literally were in the car to Missoula an hour later. I stayed there for a month with my mom.

 

[magnifier661]

I gotta put Mags on my ignore list now.

Lmao!!!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

To me, people who commit suicide have issues that fucks them up in the head, whether it be substance abuse, medical, financial or personal problems or what not. They cannot think (or act) rationally so I don't consider what they do to be selfish acts. I mean technically, if you look at it from afar, yeah, its selfish to have to have everyone around you suffer while one takes the supposed "easy route", but I don't think they're being selfish per se, they just can't handle the cards they are dealt. I don't know, it sucks all around for everyone. I'm not ready to call someone selfish because of it. Its just tragic for all.

 

[NewsSource]

Your head must be so far up your ass man.

I'm 15 years removed from my uncle killing himself, and have seen how it impacted his sons. If you want to think I have my head up my ass, that's fine. I hope you get the help you need, because one of my cousins is living on the streets in San Francisco. He never came to terms with it, and believe me, we all tried so hard to help him, and still do to this day. I think he's gone, though, mentally, and he has been in and out of rehab more times than I remember.

 

[PDXFonz]

To me, people who commit suicide have issues that fucks them up in the head, whether it be substance abuse, medical, financial or personal problems or what not. They cannot think (or act) rationally so I don't consider what they do to be selfish acts. I mean technically, if you look at it from afar, yeah, its selfish to have to have everyone around you suffer, but I don't think they're being selfish per se, they just can't handle the cards they are dealt.

I agree. It's tricky, it can be done selfishly, it can be done un selfishly. You see people like mags' old customer who kill an ex and then the self = selfish. Or you have people who struggled with a rough life from childhood into being an adult, and find out they are about to battle another miserable bout of cancer. It's not always selfish, but it can be.

 

[NewsSource]

BTW, fonz, I'm fine with you taking out some anger on me. I can't imagine what my cousins went through, as it was tough enough on the rest of the family. I'm not your enemy. I have an opinion and have been through enough therapy to know I need to feel how I feel about the subject.

 

[PDXFonz]

I'm 15 years removed from my uncle killing himself, and have seen how it impacted his sons. If you want to think I have my head up my ass, that's fine. I hope you get the help you need, because one of my cousins is living on the streets in San Francisco. He never came to terms with it, and believe me, we all tried so hard to help him, and still do to this day. I think he's gone, though, mentally, and he has been in and out of rehab more times than I remember.

I need help? This was 3 years ago and I've more than found my peace and been able to learn and be a better person from it. But you are going to pass blind judgement and say I need help.

You should have never come back to these forums papag.

 

[PDXFonz]

BTW, fonz, I'm fine with you taking out some anger on me. I can't imagine what my cousins went through, as it was tough enough on the rest of the family.

No anger to take out regarding my fathers death. I'm just pissed that I petitioned for you to be unbanned. Feel like the biggest idiot about that right now. But I can't take my anger out on you for that...it was my mistake.

 

[magnifier661]

I agree. It's tricky, it can be done selfishly, it can be done non selfishly. You see people like mags' old customer who kill an ex and then the self = selfish. Or you have people who struggled with a rough life from childhood into being an adult, and find out they are about to battle another miserable bout of cancer. It's not always selfish, but it can be.

Funny you mention that. The first one that shot himself was battling cancer and severe back pain. He wrote a suicide letter to his wife, saying the pain is too hard to handle.

I definitely agree the other was extremely selfish.

P.S. Don't leave man. We need to argue about who has the bigger RPG!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No anger to take out regarding my fathers death. I'm just pissed that I petitioned for you to be unbanned. Feel like the biggest idiot about that right now. But I can't take my anger out on you for that...it was my mistake.

I'm not sure if this will make you feel better or worse but PapaG wasn't unbanned so your petitioning failed.

Truly sorry about your loss. That's rough.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

No, I'm not ashamed. You should be ashamed for thinking that you have the only authoritative opinion on how suicide affects a family. Seems rather selfish to me.

Man I hate to jump in but can you just back off on this one. This is obviously a topic that hits home and I think it's fair to say he talks from a deeper place than all of us when it comes to this topic.

Imagine if I made the blunt statement that I thought all people who deal with their brother committing suicide by drinking are weak and selfish. I don't think that and feel like taking a shower even typing that to you . . . but that is what you sound to fonz.

He has has been forced to think more about this topic and contemplate what it all means far beyond a gut reaction or casual relation to this kind of situation. He talks from the heart and deep thought about this and is saying your analysis is insensitive and wrong. Maybe you should reconsider instead of taking such a firm stance on this. We can all learn things, everyday of our lives.

 

[NewsSource]

I need help? This was 3 years ago and I've more than found my peace and been able to learn and be a better person from it. But you are going to pass blind judgement and say I need help.

You should have never come back to these forums papag.

I'm not the one passing judgement on how suicide should be viewed. I understand your thoughts on it. I've seen the aftermath of 15 years after the suicide. If you want to be angry at me for having an opinion on a subject that impacted my family in a major way, there's not much I can do about it other than let you vent, because I know it hurts.

 

[NewsSource]

No anger to take out regarding my fathers death. I'm just pissed that I petitioned for you to be unbanned. Feel like the biggest idiot about that right now. But I can't take my anger out on you for that...it was my mistake.

Why in the fuck would you care about a poster on a message board and his thoughts about suicide? Perhaps this subject is a bit too close to you at this point to be reasonable about? I think suicide is a selfish act. I've dealt with depression for 13 years, but would never, EVER, do that to my kids.

 

[PDXFonz]

I'm not sure if this will make you feel better or worse but PapaG wasn't unbanned so your petitioning failed.

Truly sorry about your loss. That's rough.

Appreciate it, and it was.

There is actually a great robin williams quote from goodwill hunting that puts the whole debate about being selfish because it affects family to rest(in is situation, again there are always circumstances)

"You'll have bad times, but it'll always wake you up to the good stuff you weren't paying attention to."

It will be very hard for his children for a while, it was a little over a year for me. But there will come a time where they will wake up and view the situation differently, and they will begin to take away lessons from it, and reminisce on the joy they had. It will always be difficult, they will probably always shed a tear when they flip channels and see his smiling face full of cheer on the screen. But you see that is the beauty in it, because at that point the tears are appreciation for the impact that person left on you.

 

[KingSpeed]

He has three children who he left behind. It's cowardly and selfish, IMO. His kids are always going to have to live knowing their dad would rather die than be their dad, and two of them are still in their early 20s.

I understand what you are saying. His act hurt people. BUT you can't beat depression on your own. Without the right medication and/or therapy, suicide is often the result. I have bipolar disorder and before I was treated (and when we changed my treatment a year ago), I went through awful spells of suicidal feelings. It's like your brain is programmed to kill yourself. You can't do anything about it. It's not a question of will power. So its not like youre purposely out to hurt your family. If I never got help, I'd be dead now. No question in my mind.

 

[NewsSource]

Man I hate to jump in but can you just back off on this one. This is obviously a topic that hits home and I think it's fair to say he talks from a deeper place than all of us when it comes to this topic.

Imagine if I made the blunt statement that I thought all people who deal with their brother committing suicide by drinking are weak and selfish. I don't think that and feel like taking a shower even typing that to you . . . but that is what you sound to fonz.

He has has been forced to think more about this topic and contemplate what it all means far beyond a gut reaction or casual relation to this kind of situation. He talks from the heart and deep thought about this and is saying your analysis is insensitive and wrong. Maybe you should reconsider instead of taking such a firm stance on this. We can all learn things, everyday of our lives.

Of course it hits home. Am I not allowed to have feelings about it? Jesus Christ, I have a cousin who is probably blowing some rich guy on a street corner in San Francisco so he can maybe buy some more drugs tonight. This brings up bad memories for me, too.

 

[Denny Crane]

Wanna know something creepy? I talked to 3 people minutes before they died.

1.) one of the business partners just came off the phone with me, saying how much he's going to enjoy working with our company. Minutes later I get a call that he shot himself in the head.

2.) an old customer of mine just broke up with his girl and said he was gonna do something stupid. I tried talking him out of it but he said it was too late. Minutes later, he went to the park and shot her in front of her kid. Then turned the gun on himself.

3.) another potential customer was talking to me minutes before he boarded his plane. Told me he would call me when he lands. I found out his plane crashed minutes after take off and he died.

SlyPokerDog tells me he talks to you on the phone often enough.

He's playing with fire!

 

[magnifier661]

SlyPokerDog tells me he talks to you on the phone often enough.

He's playing with fire!

Hahaha

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SlyPokerDog tells me he talks to you on the phone often enough.

He's playing with fire!

Oh shit! I even talked to him on the phone today! WTF?!? :MARIS61:

 

[KingSpeed]

I'm 15 years removed from my uncle killing himself, and have seen how it impacted his sons. If you want to think I have my head up my ass, that's fine. I hope you get the help you need, because one of my cousins is living on the streets in San Francisco. He never came to terms with it, and believe me, we all tried so hard to help him, and still do to this day. I think he's gone, though, mentally, and he has been in and out of rehab more times than I remember.

Is it selfish to die of cancer? It's the SAME thing. Depression is a disease. Your brain becomes programmed for you to kill yourself. You clearly have never dealt with depression so you don't get it. You're just seeing it from the outside. I was saved by "Bones" and medication. First season of "Bones" (when the onset of my bipolar disorder hit) and medication saved me because the show kept me focused and the medication fought the illness. I didn't want to lose the best job of my life. The network even told me if I needed to go to a mental hospital, they would keep my job ready for me when I came back. So they were very supportive. And I had one of the best doctors in the country. It took me two years to get completely balanced. I lived but I gained compassion for everyone who kills themselves. This is a compassion you don't have because you're just looking at it from the outside. I get people who kill themselves because of depression. It makes perfect sense to me. And yes, it's sad for the loved ones. But like I said, do you hold it get against someone if they die of cancer? It's the same thing.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[PDXFonz]

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[Denny Crane]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/showbiz/robin-williams-dead/

Happy Days" star Henry Winkler said it was "unimaginable that this is the reality today, that this incredible human being, incredible, delicate, funny, dramatic human being is gone."

Winkler said he "realized I was in the presence of greatness" at Williams' first rehearsal as Mork.

"I just realized my only job is to keep a straight face," said Winkler, who played "The Fonz." "And it was impossible. Because no matter what you said to him, no matter what line you gave to him, he took it in, processed it, and then it flew out of his mouth, never the same way twice. And it was incredibly funny every time."

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[NewsSource]

Of course you can have feelings on it. It's just that you are posting with someone who has literally lived through it and is telling you what they think. I thought rather than simply disagree and be in his face about it, maybe you can step back and give serious consideration to your own views.

I'm all for having strong views. I get your positions on religion and politics and to some extent even global warming (don't agree but understand your strong feelings). Those are areas that area asking for strong positions and not backing down. I figure this was a topic that was more about trying to understand more and more (why people commit suicide can be a very complex topic).

But while I ask you to check yourself I will do the same thing. Maybe you have considered this deeply and it is another topic you feel very strongly about. If so, do what you do and I won't comment on any other posts. But if it is just one of these topic you are debating and taking your normal debate attitude . . . I don't think it is an appropriate topic to do, especially with fonz, who again can probably add a lot to the topic but probably doesn't want to debate an in your face kind of way.

OK, I done preaching (which is what I'm sure it sounds like to you). I'm no one to tell you what to say and what not to say. I have been exposed to suicide, but now to the degree of Fonz or you. So I'll just go back to reading the thread and not really knowing how I fee about suicide or that Robin Williams decided to take his own life. I know I feel very sad as I was a huge Robin Williams fan.

I'd suggest that this subject is still very raw to fonz, and perhaps he should refrain from posting about it. I did nothing wrong, and I gave what is my opinion on suicide, and how I've seen how it destroys lives. 3 years is nothing for a young man to have to deal with something like this. I've seen it firsthand, and have been to interventions because of it.

I'm always the bad guy, though, so I guess I'll get pissed at myself for actually trying to talk to him about it. Instead, I get blasted on the main board for bringing up Oden's felony charges, and the extreme violent nature of what he did to AC Green's niece. Just so I'm clear, nobody else is allowed to have an opinion on suicide and how it impacts a family. Is that right?

I'm a huge fan of Robin Williams' work, too. That doesn't mean I can't think he took the easy way out, and how I think down on his drug and alcohol abuse.