OT Rockets in free fall, to Acquire Ty Lawson

[Denny Crane]

 

[Boob-No-More]

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/7/19/9001535/ty-lawson-traded-houston-rockets-denver-nuggets

BNM

 

[e_blazer]

See, the Blazers won't have the worst starting lineup in the West after all.

 

[TBpup]

Nick Johnson can play a little bit. Nice future piece.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

See, the Blazers won't have the worst starting lineup in the West after all.

You're right, Harden and Howard makes that team unwatchable.

 

[TBpup]

You're right, Harden and Howard makes that team unwatchable.

I'm thinking they were referring to Denver.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He could turn it around in Houston. John Lucas specializes in cases like Lawson.

They get an All-Star caliber PG for nothing.

 

[Tunchi]

Wow great move for Rockets

 

[0-Our!]

You're right, Harden and Howard makes that team unwatchable.

U r also right, they DO make that team unwatchable (actually, I haven't watched them since they got Hobo Harden); I hate/have always hated D-Bag AND D-Bag12!

 

[craigehlo]

Rockets got Josh Smith for nothing last year. Now they get Lawson for almost nothing. If they could ever get a halfway decent PF, they would be favorites in the West.

 

[0-Our!]

Rockets got Josh Smith for nothing last year. Now they get Lawson for almost nothing. If they could ever get a halfway decent PF, they would be favorites in the West.

So... Terrence Jones is NOT "... a halfway decent PF...?"

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

So... Terrence Jones is NOT "... a halfway decent PF...?"

He really isn't. I can't think of anyone else who puts up more hollow numbers than Jones and Montiejunas

It'd be like having Hickson/Bargnani as your PF rotation.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Free falling to the WCF is something I'm keen for the Blazers to try

 

[BonesJones]

Lawson makes them WORSE. He's a terrible fit next to Harden and another bad "leader". He's a bad defender, and always needs the ball in his hands to be effective. And that's the description for both Harden and Lawson.

 

[0-Our!]

He really isn't. I can't think of anyone else who puts up more hollow numbers than Jones and Montiejunas

It'd be like having Hickson/Bargnani as your PF rotation.

I'll accept/go w/ the lead of the collective on this 1; as I said, I haven't watched HOU. games in long time (unless they play us), I just watch enough film on some of their players (& some on other teams) strictly for fantasy b-ball purposes

 

[magnifier661]

Lawson makes them WORSE. He's a terrible fit next to Harden and another bad "leader". He's a bad defender, and always needs the ball in his hands to be effective. And that's the description for both Harden and Lawson.

Regardless, they got a player for next to nothing. It's very discouraging to say the least.

 

[BonesJones]

Regardless, they got a player for next to nothing. It's very discouraging to say the least.

So because they made a lateral move for next to nothing, that's discouraging? Cmon man

 

[magnifier661]

So because they made a lateral move for next to nothing, that's discouraging? Cmon man

How is it lateral? Lawson was an all star and he's a much better upgrade than Beverly. Now you have Beverly come off the bench? Seems like a move the needle trade to me

 

[BonesJones]

How is it lateral? Lawson was an all star and he's a much better upgrade than Beverly. Now you have Beverly come off the bench? Seems like a move the needle trade to me

Lawson has never been an all star. Off the ball offensively he isn't any better then Beverly. And guess what, when you have James Harden your PG is going to be primarily off the ball! When he has the ball he'll be better, but it won't be often enough to make up for his defense, which Beverly has an edge on by a ton. And in the Western Conference, you need a defensive PG, not your defensive PG locking down Shaun Livingston and Austin Rivers, which almost negates the impact he can make. Plus, Lawson is a locker room cancer, and when you have no true leaders on the team, it makes bad locker room presences even worse. You have to look deeper then "OMG he averaged 18 and 8, he's a huge upgrade!", because there's a such thing as chemistry, cohesion, and matching skillsets together to make a product greater then its parts. It's the same reason K Love is nowhere near as good in Cleveland compared to Minnesota, and why Dame will put up better stats this year without Aldridge

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Free falling to the WCF is something I'm keen for the Blazers to try

I've never been much of a Tom Petty fan.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

This move also frees up space to sign Alan Williams - a ginormous upgrade to Dorsey.

They got a lot better today.

 

[BonesJones]

This move also frees up space to sign Alan Williams - a ginormous upgrade to Dorsey.

They got a lot better today.

So the 12th man being upgraded is a needle mover too? Man is this rebuild messing with your guys heads already?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Williams led the nation in rebounding for the last two years. His skillset will translate. He was the best player in the VSPL. He's quite the find.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I've never been much of a Tom Petty fan.

Ive always assumed you liked Three Dog Night

 

[BonesJones]

Williams led the nation in rebounding for the last two years. His skillset will translate. He was the best player in the VSPL. He's quite the find.

he's a 6'8 center who led the nation in rebounding against bad opposition.. not much there, and if there was he won't play so it doesn't make a difference

 

[Chris Craig]

A move for appearances...will do nothing well for the rockets

 

[Mediocre Man]

Williams led the nation in rebounding for the last two years. His skillset will translate. He was the best player in the VSPL. He's quite the find.

Yep. Rebounding is 90% effort. It's one of the few things that transkates extremely well to the NBA

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ive always assumed you likes Three Dog Night

Snoop Dogg!

 

[magnifier661]

Lawson has never been an all star. Off the ball offensively he isn't any better then Beverly. And guess what, when you have James Harden your PG is going to be primarily off the ball! When he has the ball he'll be better, but it won't be often enough to make up for his defense, which Beverly has an edge on by a ton. And in the Western Conference, you need a defensive PG, not your defensive PG locking down Shaun Livingston and Austin Rivers, which almost negates the impact he can make. Plus, Lawson is a locker room cancer, and when you have no true leaders on the team, it makes bad locker room presences even worse. You have to look deeper then "OMG he averaged 18 and 8, he's a huge upgrade!", because there's a such thing as chemistry, cohesion, and matching skillsets together to make a product greater then its parts. It's the same reason K Love is nowhere near as good in Cleveland compared to Minnesota, and why Dame will put up better stats this year without Aldridge

Well I hope you're right. I'm not as confident

 

[Superbeard]

He really isn't. I can't think of anyone else who puts up more hollow numbers than Jones and Montiejunas

It'd be like having Hickson/Bargnani as your PF rotation.

Hollow?

You do realize that Dmo was the Rockets 2nd option for like 3/4 of the season right? I even remember a game where Harden fouled out in OT and Dmo proceeded to score every time down and we won the game.