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Will he turned down twice the money offered by Portland to stay with us? I doubt it. Loving Portland doesn't mean much. It is just a marketing term.
HAAK72 said:
Rodney better resign with the Blazers -- he loves Portland and there is already an entire mountain dedicated to him!
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SportsAndWhine said:
You've come to the right person because I'm completely insufferable.

It comes down to the fundamentals: Offensiveness and Defensiveness.

Offensiveness includes the showy things: pedantry, sarcasm, aggressiveness... and more advanced techniques like disingenuous magnanimity.
Defensiveness includes a lot more subtle things only students of the game know: hounding, passive dismissal, irony.

You have to know the rulebook, and use the ref's blindspots to your advantage; you can't get away with casual racism, sexism, and homophobia without a deep knowledge of the rules and how they're enforced. You can't go hard with explicit hate, but casual dog-whistling and bad-faith curiosity typically don't get called.

It's a complete game, and we are an all-star group!
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Post of the year!!!!
 
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So, i've got another question.

Is it possible to engage another team with cap space to orchestrate a sign&trade for Hood?

For example, a East team with cap space sign Hood to a multiyear deal and then they trade him to us for Leonard's expiring plus picks or Zach Collins

is it possible???
 
Portland2014 said:
So, i've got another question.

Is it possible to engage another team with cap space to orchestrate a sign&trade for Hood?

For example, a East team with cap space sign Hood to a multiyear deal and then they trade him to us for Leonard's expiring plus picks or Zach Collins

is it possible???
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Pretty sure there are rules that say you have to wait so long to trade a newly acquired player. You can release but not trade. Not positive though.
 
Portland2014 said:
So, i've got another question.

Is it possible to engage another team with cap space to orchestrate a sign&trade for Hood?

For example, a East team with cap space sign Hood to a multiyear deal and then they trade him to us for Leonard's expiring plus picks or Zach Collins

is it possible???
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No. Just stop trying to make this work.

Hood either signs for $4.15 million or we use the Tax-MLE on him for $5.3 million (which makes retaining Kanter or Curry impossible) or we open up the Full-MLE via trade and are hardcapped.
 
Portland2014 said:
So, i've got another question.

Is it possible to engage another team with cap space to orchestrate a sign&trade for Hood?

For example, a East team with cap space sign Hood to a multiyear deal and then they trade him to us for Leonard's expiring plus picks or Zach Collins

is it possible???
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No. That player has to be re-signed to be sign-and-traded.
 
hoopsjock said:
No. Just stop trying to make this work.

Hood either signs for $4.15 million or we use the Tax-MLE on him for $5.3 million (which makes retaining Kanter or Curry impossible) or we open up the Full-MLE via trade and are hardcapped.
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Or we somehow dump Turner and Meyers and use the resulting 14M of cap space and the Room Exception to resign Hood, Kanter, Aminu, and/or Layman.
 
I actually think we can get Hood to sign a 1 year 4.15 mil deal, it’s more than he made this year and I’m sure he understands that contracts will be coming off the books after next season. Kanter, on the other hand, I see pretty much no way of keeping. I’d love to but the guy has been making 17-19 mil per the past few years and with more teams with money than big time FAs I see someone paying him, especially with how he’s playing now. Maybe all the FA centers drive him down but he’s still only 27 and very skilled. As for Curry, do we need him if Simons can contribute? I don’t know?

If we can keep Hood and Kanter than I’d be pretty happy with our roster until Nurk comes back, guessing we’d let Chief walk but Zach might be ready to start next year, I wouldn’t mind him and Enes starting until the Beast is back. With the way Skal looked he could get some burn at 4 and 5 and Hark could play in certain lineups at 4 also.

Enes/MH/Skal
Collins/Skal/Hark
Hark/Hood/ET/Layman
CJ/Hood/Layman
Dame/Simons

That’s ^ some roster flexibility, and looks even better with Nurk&Turk.

Of course this all hinges on some way to keep Enes, otherwise we grab an Ed or someone of that caliber to be a place holder till around the all star break. Thoughts?

Fuck ETs contract.
 
LayneStaley said:
I actually think we can get Hood to sign a 1 year 4.15 mil deal, it’s more than he made this year and I’m sure he understands that contracts will be coming off the books after next season. Kanter, on the other hand, I see pretty much no way of keeping. I’d love to but the guy has been making 17-19 mil per the past few years and with more teams with money than big time FAs I see someone paying him, especially with how he’s playing now. Maybe all the FA centers drive him down but he’s still only 27 and very skilled. As for Curry, do we need him if Simons can contribute? I don’t know?

If we can keep Hood and Kanter than I’d be pretty happy with our roster until Nurk comes back, guessing we’d let Chief walk but Zach might be ready to start next year, I wouldn’t mind him and Enes starting until the Beast is back. With the way Skal looked he could get some burn at 4 and 5 and Hark could play in certain lineups at 4 also.

Enes/MH/Skal
Collins/Skal/Hark
Hark/Hood/ET/Layman
CJ/Hood/Layman
Dame/Simons

That’s ^ some roster flexibility, and looks even better with Nurk&Turk.

Of course this all hinges on some way to keep Enes, otherwise we grab an Ed or someone of that caliber to be a place holder till around the all star break. Thoughts?

Fuck ETs contract.
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Theres no way Kanter makes more than $12M, and at that point I think he resigns with us. The market isnt set up that way and most teams have good Cs.
 
BonesJones said:
Or we somehow dump Turner and Meyers and use the resulting 14M of cap space and the Room Exception to resign Hood, Kanter, Aminu, and/or Layman.
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Probably gonna have to attach a 1st, theyre expiring after next season, right?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Quit being a negative nancy!



See it can happen! Make it happen!!!
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No, I've already said this multiple times. The timing for free agent signings would be very difficult to attach a 1st to Turner by the time we could still sign free agents. Now we are throwing Leonard traded for someone who is then traded for someone else? It's fun to play GM but it's just not going to go down like that.
 
hoopsjock said:
No, I've already said this multiple times. The timing for free agent signings would be very difficult to attach a 1st to Turner by the time we could still sign free agents. Now we are throwing Leonard traded for someone who is then traded for someone else? It's fun to play GM but it's just not going to go down like that.
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Olshey has proven more than once to be quite crafty when dealing with less than all star caliber maneuvers.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Olshey has proven more than once to be quite crafty when dealing with less than all star caliber maneuvers.
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You aren't getting it.

No team can take Turner at the draft. No team will want to waste cap space at the beginning of free agency for Turner. This means we wouldn't be able to trade Turner until at the very minimum a week into free agency.

Guys like Kanter, Hood, and Curry aren't going to just sit around and wait HOPING in a week some team might take Turner and then Olshey could pull off a double trade with Meyers. This is completely different than a restricted free agent with a low cap hold that we promise to pay once we sign others.

Take Kanter, if he wasn't getting offers a week into free agency we'd likely just be able to get him on a one year deal for the $5.3 million anyway. So even after all that it still simply comes down to whether or not he wants to stay here for that little.
 
hoopsjock said:
You aren't getting it.

No team can take Turner at the draft. No team will want to waste cap space at the beginning of free agency for Turner. This means we wouldn't be able to trade Turner until at the very minimum a week into free agency.

Guys like Kanter, Hood, and Curry aren't going to just sit around and wait HOPING in a week some team might take Turner and then Olshey could pull off a double trade with Meyers. This is completely different than a restricted free agent with a low cap hold that we promise to pay once we sign others.

Take Kanter, if he wasn't getting offers a week into free agency we'd likely just be able to get him on a one year deal for the $5.3 million anyway. So even after all that it still simply comes down to whether or not he wants to stay here for that little.
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No, I get you. It wont be easy at all. But im not sure we cant find a team to take Turner and/or Meyers and a pick or two for a player or two in return who we can THEN dump to other teams for mostly cap space. Or something along those lines. I think Olshey is crafy behind closed doors. I think he is also a great car salesman, for better or worse, right now that is the style we need. To sell Kanter on the fact that we want him long term and will pay him next year, but he needs to help us keep the team together.
I think @magnifier661 is right that we need to get to the WFC though for this team to feel confident enough to want to keep it together.
Hood is another who is finding new life here and might do the same.
For all the Olshey hate, and some of it is because of him being a car salesman type, this is where he shines in my opinion. He knows the cap very well, even withstanding the inflated signings of Meyers and Turner(close to market contracts that year, imo). Each year since, he has manuevered the line like a catwalk without falling.

I actually think he will figure it out some how some way, so that next year we have Kanter and Hood on the roster along with CJ, Hark, Aminu, Dame, Nurk, Collins, and Ant. I think all others are expendable and could possibly be used to make all of this happen.

I know its a long shot, but I think if there are guys who can maneuver this tightrope, its Olshey. He has his faults, no doubt. But this is where his strengths are.
 
Orion Bailey said:
No, I get you. It wont be easy at all. But im not sure we cant find a team to take Turner and/or Meyers and a pick or two for a player or two in return who we can THEN dump to other teams for mostly cap space. Or something along those lines. I think Olshey is crafy behind closed doors. I think he is also a great car salesman, for better or worse, right now that is the style we need. To sell Kanter on the fact that we want him long term and will pay him next year, but he needs to help us keep the team together.
I think @magnifier661 is right that we need to get to the WFC though for this team to feel confident enough to want to keep it together.
Hood is another who is finding new life here and might do the same.
For all the Olshey hate, and some of it is because of him being a car salesman type, this is where he shines in my opinion. He knows the cap very well, even withstanding the inflated signings of Meyers and Turner(close to market contracts that year, imo). Each year since, he has manuevered the line like a catwalk without falling.

I actually think he will figure it out some how some way, so that next year we have Kanter and Hood on the roster along with CJ, Hark, Aminu, Dame, Nurk, Collins, and Ant. I think all others are expendable and could possibly be used to make all of this happen.

I know its a long shot, but I think if there are guys who can maneuver this tightrope, its Olshey. He has his faults, no doubt. But this is where his strengths are.
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No, you still don't get it even though you say you do. I've been known as an Olshey apologist in the past. This is nothing to do with his skill as a GM. What you are suggesting doesn't free up enough money.

Yes, there are subtle moves to improve our cap situation but this particular summer needs more than just a couple minor moves to free up money. Besides if we trade all our expiring contracts it also closes the door on getting a true difference maker via trade.
 
hoopsjock said:
No, you still don't get it even though you say you do. I've been known as an Olshey apologist in the past. This is nothing to do with his skill as a GM. What you are suggesting doesn't free up enough money.

Yes, there are subtle moves to improve our cap situation but this particular summer needs more than just a couple minor moves to free up money. Besides if we trade all our expiring contracts it also closes the door on getting a true difference maker via trade.
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You say not enough money. I say it depends on what they are willing to take for a year and how well Olshey can sell them on getting paid in the following year.
 
Orion Bailey said:
You say not enough money. I say it depends on what they are willing to take for a year and how well Olshey can sell them on getting paid in the following year.
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OB, I'm not saying those guys are gone. I've actually said the opposite that I think Kanter and Hood might be back. What you are saying is technically against the CBA rules, even though it does likely occur all the time.

There is a difference between those guys being willing to accept one year deals and making a bunch of trades to free up money to pay them more this summer. Lets not mix the two.
 
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