OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

[crandc]

More reprieve than victory. Court ruled on narrow standings. To overturn a law, plaintiff must have standing by showing they were harmed. Case brought by handful of far right all male so far as I know doctors who claimed standing by saying when women get abortions they are deprived of not of delivering our babies. Cue violins.

Court anti woman majority made it clear they are open to better challenge.

 

[Phatguysrule]

More reprieve than victory. Court ruled on narrow standings. To overturn a law, plaintiff must have standing by showing they were harmed. Case brought by handful of far right all male so far as I know doctors who claimed standing by saying when women get abortions they are deprived of not of delivering our babies. Cue violins.

Court anti woman majority made it clear they are open to better challenge.

That was my concern as well... I can't imagine what a legitimate challenge would be, though?

 

[crandc]

On MSNBC, Simone Sanders asked leader of Heritage Foundation, architect of Project 2025, plan for Christian theocracy headed by Trump, if a woman should be allowed an abortion if doctor says it is needed for her health.

No.

 

[Phatguysrule]

 

[crandc]

And in children with serious birth defects.
Not at all unexpected. Completely predictable.

 

[crandc]

Saw a T shirt "keep your theology off my biology". Going to order one.

 

[crandc]

In South Carolina, five women legislators, three Republicans and two Democrats, successfully filibustered a forced birth bill. They talked about complexities of pregnancy, medical needs, privacy and rights of families.

The three Republicans all lost primaries to woman hating men who pledged to vote to force every woman and barely pubescent girl to carry every pregnancy to term under every circumstance.

 

[Chris Craig]

In South Carolina, five women legislators, three Republicans and two Democrats, successfully filibustered a forced birth bill. They talked about complexities of pregnancy, medical needs, privacy and rights of families.

The three Republicans all lost primaries to woman hating men who pledged to vote to force every woman and barely pubescent girl to carry every pregnancy to term under every circumstance.

This country is going to hell

 

[Phatguysrule]

In South Carolina, five women legislators, three Republicans and two Democrats, successfully filibustered a forced birth bill. They talked about complexities of pregnancy, medical needs, privacy and rights of families.

The three Republicans all lost primaries to woman hating men who pledged to vote to force every woman and barely pubescent girl to carry every pregnancy to term under every circumstance.

Hate this.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

This country is going to hell

We've created hell in other countries for decades. The chickens are finally here to roost. We see our leaders never gave a shit about patriotism or taking care of Americans, they were filling their pockets the entire time.

 

[Phatguysrule]

We've created hell in other countries for decades. The chickens are finally here to roost. We see our leaders never gave a shit about patriotism or taking care of Americans, they were filling their pockets the entire time.

That's the system we have. Citizens United sealed the deal.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That's the system we have. Citizens United sealed the deal.

I won't participate anymore with these two parties. I'm out.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I won't participate anymore with these two parties. I'm out.

Then you are supporting whichever party is worse for the people. That's the unfortunate situation we find ourselves in. Your choice to abstain puts you directly in support of Trump this election season. Unfortunately we've fallen too far for abstaining to be productive.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Then you are supporting whichever party is worse for the people. That's the unfortunate situation we find ourselves in. Your choice to abstain puts you directly in support of Trump this election season. Unfortunately we've fallen too far for abstaining to be productive.

I'm voting for change. Can't get that voting for either of these parties.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm voting for change. Can't get that voting for either of these parties.

How does that get us change? What possible mechanism could be put into action by voting for somebody else?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

How does that get us change? What possible mechanism could be put into action by voting for somebody else?

If enough people stop encouraging this garbage mirage of a choice, the sooner this will fall.

It's like asking the Iranian people why they don't vote. It's a ruse. The sooner you understand that and stop thumbing your nose at people the sooner we can unite and take on this wicked system.

 

[Phatguysrule]

If enough people stop encouraging this garbage mirage of a choice, the sooner this will fall.

It's like asking the Iranian people why they don't vote. It's a ruse. The sooner you understand that and stop thumbing your nose at people the sooner we can unite and take on this wicked system.

The more people who don't vote or vote for a candidate without a chance the more power the parties have.

That's what the Republicans are counting on..

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The more people who don't vote or vote for a candidate without a chance the more power the parties have.

That's what the Republicans are counting on..

They're literally building cop city wherever they can. They know their end is coming.

 

[Phatguysrule]

They're literally building cop city wherever they can. They know their end is coming.

I don't see how their end is coming.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I don't see how their end is coming.

Every superpower falls. Look at history.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Every superpower falls. Look at history.

Yeah, that's something I'd like to avoid. The amount of pain and suffering that will have to happen for the US to "fall" is almost unimaginable.

Barring nuclear fallout, a natural disaster, or some other country starting mining astroids or some other space based advantage, The US has too many built-in advantages to fail.

No other country is as naturally protected or has the as many natural reasons or the ability to transport as many goods as easily as the US.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Yeah, that's something I'd like to avoid. The amount of pain and suffering that will have to happen for the US to "fall" is almost unimaginable.

Barring nuclear fallout, a natural disaster, or some other country starting mining astroids or some other space based advantage, The US has too many built-in advantages to fail.

No other country is as naturally protected or has the as many natural reasons or the ability to transport as many goods as easily as the US.

I agree. It won't all be roses. But the status quo can't continue for much longer.

Everyone talks about all their advantages but a bunch of nobodies broke into the capital not long ago.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I agree. It won't all be roses. But the status quo can't continue for much longer.

Everyone talks about all their advantages but a bunch of nobodies broke into the capital not long ago.

Let's be honest. They were let into the capital.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Let's be honest. They were let into the capital.

So what makes you think they won't be let in again the next time?

 

[Everything Beagle]

Every superpower falls. Look at history.

America will no longer be a democracy; they're ensuring they'll be in power when it turns into a dictatorship. They aren't scared of "the people"; they've got the army, they've got the cops, they've got the militias, they've got all the guns and all the tanks and all the bombs. Cop Cities are just about being prepared, in their eyes. Once enough of us are murdered we will quiet down.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So what makes you think they won't be let in again the next time?

If they are (and especially if that ends up in a successful attempt this time) that will be a terrible thing that will further harm democracy and push us further toward autocracy.

I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm simply saying none of us should be hoping that happens.

 

[Phatguysrule]

America will no longer be a democracy; they're ensuring they'll be in power when it turns into a dictatorship. They aren't scared of "the people"; they've got the army, they've got the cops, they've got the militias, they've got all the guns and all the tanks and all the bombs. Cop Cities are just about being prepared, in their eyes. Once enough of us are murdered we will quiet down.

I hate having to like this. But you're 100% right.

 

[Everything Beagle]

If they are (and especially if that ends up in a successful attempt this time) that will be a terrible thing that will further harm democracy and push us further toward autocracy.

I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm simply saying none of us should be hoping that happens.

This is if the election even happens; I won't put it past the government to start a major international war just so they can declare martial law to ensure the outcome they want.

I'm... not optimistic about 6 months from now.

 

[Phatguysrule]

This is if the election even happens; I won't put it past the government to start a major international war just so they can declare martial law to ensure the outcome they want.

I'm... not optimistic about 6 months from now.

Jesus. I don't even want to think about that...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If enough people stop encouraging this garbage mirage of a choice, the sooner this will fall.

It's like asking the Iranian people why they don't vote. It's a ruse. The sooner you understand that and stop thumbing your nose at people the sooner we can unite and take on this wicked system.

If disenfranchising voters is the answer to fixing the "system" why are so many Republican states and conservative groups like the Heritage Foundation working to do that very thing? Voting is one of the few things that we can use to make things better for all of us.

And before you give me that both parties are crap arguments, there is another tool that voters have that is effective and independent of the political parties and that is ballot measures. Going out, getting signatures, and getting things on the ballot that we all can vote on.