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Phatguysrule said:
Good point. 2 people should be able to expand it to as many people as they want.
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I think this basically a joke on barfo's part, but this is kind of a big deal for a lot of queer folks (who are many many times more likely to be in polyamorous relationships)... I feel like maybe I've mentioned this before, but I've had the same four partners for three years now, and being excluded from the marriage rights and benefits because our relationship dynamic is too unusual for polite society will hurt us in practical ways the long we stay together. Already, being unable to really talk about having more than one partner, or distinguishing between partners when I tell funny anecdotes at work kind of sucks in that way being in the closet sucks, but hospital visits, end of life stuff, tax stuff, all that stuff matters too. My friend called it the queer tax, and it's definitely real.
 
Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace, who cheered overturning Roe, now worries the country is becoming Handmaid's Tale. Herself a rape survivor, she said she was 16 and took a week before she could tell her mother, by which time physical evidence was gone. The few anti woman laws with rape exceptions put burden of proof on woman to show she really was raped and not lying because we are all sluts and liars. Like, Nancy, couldn't you have foreseen?

One Republican voted against Indiana's near total ban on abortion. His voice broke as he spoke of his daughter, who has Down Syndrome. Mentally disabled women are at very high risk of sexual assault. Their bodies become women while their minds are young children. They are compliant and don't understand what is happening to them.

But his fellow Republicans want to punish the sluts.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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YamTastic said:
I think this basically a joke on barfo's part, but this is kind of a big deal for a lot of queer folks (who are many many times more likely to be in polyamorous relationships)... I feel like maybe I've mentioned this before, but I've had the same four partners for three years now, and being excluded from the marriage rights and benefits because our relationship dynamic is too unusual for polite society will hurt us in practical ways the long we stay together. Already, being unable to really talk about having more than one partner, or distinguishing between partners when I tell funny anecdotes at work kind of sucks in that way being in the closet sucks, but hospital visits, end of life stuff, tax stuff, all that stuff matters too. My friend called it the queer tax, and it's definitely real.
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Why is that - gay men so much more likely to be in polyamorous relationships?
 
A Nebraska teen and her mother were arrested for her "illegal" abortion after Facebook turned over messages between them.
State plans to try teen as an adult so she can get serious prison time.
 
crandc said:
A Nebraska teen and her mother were arrested for her "illegal" abortion after Facebook turned over messages between them.
State plans to try teen as an adult so she can get serious prison time.
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That's fucked up.
 
crandc said:
A Nebraska teen and her mother were arrested for her "illegal" abortion after Facebook turned over messages between them.
State plans to try teen as an adult so she can get serious prison time.
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This is criminal government overreach. Government should not be allowed to prosecute based on this information, according to the 4th amendment.
 
crandc said:
A Nebraska teen and her mother were arrested for her "illegal" abortion after Facebook turned over messages between them.
State plans to try teen as an adult so she can get serious prison time.
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Chris Craig said:
That's fucked up.
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Phatguysrule said:
This is criminal government overreach. Government should not be allowed to prosecute based on this information, according to the 4th amendment.
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Have any of you read what the case is about?

According to court records, Celeste Burgess, 17, and her mother, Jessica Burgess, bought medication called Pregnot designed to end pregnancy. Pregnot is a kit of mifepristone and misoprostol, which is often used to safely end pregnancy in the first trimester. In this case, Burgess was 28-weeks pregnant, which is later in pregnancy than mifepristone and misoprostol are recommended for use. It’s also later than Nebraska’s 20-week post-fertilization abortion ban, which makes allowances only if the pregnant person is at risk of death or "serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function." (Nebraska’s abortion laws have not changed since Roe v Wade was overturned).

Jessica Burgess is charged with five crimes (three felonies, including "perform/attempt abortion at > 20 weeks, perform abortion by non-licensed doctor, and removing/concealing a dead human body). Celeste is charged with one felony, "removing/concealing/abandoning dead human body" and two misdemeanors: concealing the death of another person and false reporting. She is being tried as an adult. Some details of the case were earlier reported by the Lincoln Journal-Star and Forbes. Motherboard is publishing the search warrants and court records that show specifically how the case is being prosecuted.​

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7z...x9scd8jqt2Bscp8Ev05zFr2FKWYvdUbuFFGVMPPIMAEc8

Read the rest of the article when you have time.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Have any of you read what the case is about?

According to court records, Celeste Burgess, 17, and her mother, Jessica Burgess, bought medication called Pregnot designed to end pregnancy. Pregnot is a kit of mifepristone and misoprostol, which is often used to safely end pregnancy in the first trimester. In this case, Burgess was 28-weeks pregnant, which is later in pregnancy than mifepristone and misoprostol are recommended for use. It’s also later than Nebraska’s 20-week post-fertilization abortion ban, which makes allowances only if the pregnant person is at risk of death or "serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function." (Nebraska’s abortion laws have not changed since Roe v Wade was overturned).

Jessica Burgess is charged with five crimes (three felonies, including "perform/attempt abortion at > 20 weeks, perform abortion by non-licensed doctor, and removing/concealing a dead human body). Celeste is charged with one felony, "removing/concealing/abandoning dead human body" and two misdemeanors: concealing the death of another person and false reporting. She is being tried as an adult. Some details of the case were earlier reported by the Lincoln Journal-Star and Forbes. Motherboard is publishing the search warrants and court records that show specifically how the case is being prosecuted.​

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7z...x9scd8jqt2Bscp8Ev05zFr2FKWYvdUbuFFGVMPPIMAEc8

Read the rest of the article when you have time.
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If there wasn't a warrant obtained to extract that data it is still government overreach, IMO.

I'd much prefer somebody get away with a crime than allow government overreach via Big Data as a policy.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If there wasn't a warrant obtained to extract that data it is still government overreach, IMO.
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McBride told the court that law enforcement needed evidence from Facebook in order to determine "whether the baby was stillborn or asphyxiated."

A court approved the search warrant, and Facebook complied with it, according to other court records. The Facebook messages appear to show Celeste and Jessica talking about taking abortion medication:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7z...x9scd8jqt2Bscp8Ev05zFr2FKWYvdUbuFFGVMPPIMAEc8​
 
SlyPokerDog said:
McBride told the court that law enforcement needed evidence from Facebook in order to determine "whether the baby was stillborn or asphyxiated."

A court approved the search warrant, and Facebook complied with it, according to other court records. The Facebook messages appear to show Celeste and Jessica talking about taking abortion medication:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7z...x9scd8jqt2Bscp8Ev05zFr2FKWYvdUbuFFGVMPPIMAEc8​
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Then it looks like it's legal. Thanks!
 
I am aware of the facts. I oppose prosecuting women for having abortions. I don't know the reason she delayed and it's not my business.

It's legal in half the country now to prosecute people who have abortions. I am still against it.
 
crandc said:
I am aware of the facts. I oppose prosecuting women for having abortions. I don't know the reason she delayed and it's not my business.

It's legal in half the country now to prosecute people who have abortions. I am still against it.
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28 weeks is 7 months. Is abortion legal in any state at 7 months without a doctor?
 
crandc said:
I am aware of the facts. I oppose prosecuting women for having abortions. I don't know the reason she delayed and it's not my business.

It's legal in half the country now to prosecute people who have abortions. I am still against it.
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This is where I stand as well. It doesn't happen often enough to be worth the expense and privacy violations it would take to enforce.
 
No, not without a doctor. Women don't ordinarily wait that long. As I said, I don't know reason for delay. But she couldn't get a legal abortion in Nebraska, doctor or no.
When abortion is outlawed women become outlaws.
 
Elizabeth Warren announced she is holding hearings on the impact of the new abortion restrictions on women's health.

Maybe Ted Cruz can get a Fox minute by asking her about her anatomy.
 
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