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The guy has never had a season where he finished with an ERA below 4.50.
"They" just kept falling in love with his very decent fastball and occasion sharp breaking ball!

The Yanks could've been finding something out about Montgomery or WHOMEVER for this time instead of Rogers. Yeesh.....annoying.

This is where I have my biggest problems with The Yankee "management".
I prefer to test a couple of kids at least for the first half of the season instead of OBVIOUS re-thread mediocre AT BEST journeymen in roles where they are going to see playing time.

File Brendan Ryan under that category....he should be next.
This stumble bum has been stealing money for years.

I would've prefered they keep Pirela instead.
Ryan is only a warm body who can be put at 3b, SS or 2b.
 
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Joe G said " Actually tonight I thought he threw the ball pretty good, we didn't make the plays behind him." Jesus Christ Joe, I've supported you since game one but some of your comments in defense of team fuck ups are getting out of hand. The man failed every time you ran him out there. I realize you have to be on "PR" watch, just say the man wasn't getting it done. The fans are not as stupid as the Yankee Brass Hats. Act like an NCO and start taking names and kicking ass instead of molly coddling as an Officer would do.
 
^^^^^^^yup. Way too PC/metro sexual/wussboy. Manage like you got a pair, and freaking use them, make examples of the asshats.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Joe G said " Actually tonight I thought he threw the ball pretty good, we didn't make the plays behind him." Jesus Christ Joe, I've supported you since game one but some of your comments in defense of team fuck ups are getting out of hand. The man failed every time you ran him out there. I realize you have to be on "PR" watch, just say the man wasn't getting it done. The fans are not as stupid as the Yankee Brass Hats. Act like an NCO and start taking names and kicking ass instead of molly coddling as an Officer would do.
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Yep, he is GJG to me. Gentle-man Joe Girardi. "GJG".
I am not a big fan....I guess I could live with him managing the team for now.
His method and style of managing is basic predicatable humdrum.

How about moving McCann in the two spot for a while and dropping Beltran behind Headley in the batting order.
At least with McCann batting second the Yanks are more likely to send their best four hitters up in the first inning.

I guess this is just too radical for GJG.
 
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Yeah like when he says CC had good stuff tonight after a blowout or that Drew is hitting better, I have to wonder if we're watching the same game.
 
During the Playoffs & Series in '09 Giradi had big gonads, took charge and said this is how its going to be and we got a winner. In '09 Joe had good stock but the Brass has been less than successful at providing quality players. Joe has to send boys out to do a mans job, He can't come out and say yeah Rogers is a total dud thank God and Greyhound he's gone but he can say what we all know, the man is not meeting standards and we can live with that. We moan about running Drew and others out there but given the hand he's got I think he does well. It's the quote unquote "movers and shakers in the front office that are supposed to acquire the right type of personnel. Billy Martin would have taken Drew and Rogers out behind the woodshed!!!!!!!!
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
During the Playoffs & Series in '09 Giradi had big gonads, took charge and said this is how its going to be and we got a winner. In '09 Joe had good stock but the Brass has been less than successful at providing quality players. Joe has to send boys out to do a mans job, He can't come out and say yeah Rogers is a total dud thank God and Greyhound he's gone but he can say what we all know, the man is not meeting standards and we can live with that. We moan about running Drew and others out there but given the hand he's got I think he does well. It's the quote unquote "movers and shakers in the front office that are supposed to acquire the right type of personnel. Billy Martin would have taken Drew and Rogers out behind the woodshed!!!!!!!!
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God bless Billy Martin. There was a mgr!

Getting more out of "less". He belongs in the HOF imo.
 
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Martin played on 4 World Series winning teams, 250 something hitter who stepped it up during the World Series. That catch he made in the '53 World Series ranks right up with the very best. Martin improved Minnesota, Detroit, Texas, and Oakland Teams. Those '76 through '78 Yankee Teams were engineered by Game Paul, Steinbrenner fired him. Martin was the manager , Steinbrenner fired him. Had Steinbrenner lightened up a bit the Yankees may have had even more success. Billy also had the sack to deal with players who were slackers, Reggie still snivels about being yanked in that '77 game. I was in Germany when that game was played and that action made AFNE radio and TV headlines. I only got to see Martin one full year ('56) but I always respected him as a scrappy hardcore individual who wanted to win.
 
IT'S ABOUT F'KIN TIME!
Yankee management & owners have dead brain cells.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Martin played on 4 World Series winning teams, 250 something hitter who stepped it up during the World Series. That catch he made in the '53 World Series ranks right up with the very best. Martin improved Minnesota, Detroit, Texas, and Oakland Teams. Those '76 through '78 Yankee Teams were engineered by Game Paul, Steinbrenner fired him. Martin was the manager , Steinbrenner fired him. Had Steinbrenner lightened up a bit the Yankees may have had even more success. Billy also had the sack to deal with players who were slackers, Reggie still snivels about being yanked in that '77 game. I was in Germany when that game was played and that action made AFNE radio and TV headlines. I only got to see Martin one full year ('56) but I always respected him as a scrappy hardcore individual who wanted to win.
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Rick2583 said:
Tough as nails & a very good mgr but his numbers both as a mgr & especially a player are not HOF worthy. Again JMO.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/martibi02.shtml
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I gotta' agree with ya' both on Martin.......

the one knock on Billy, although he brought Moxy, and a Scrapper's toughness to the Yanx Teams he played on; moreso with the Teams He Managed....

Martin in 7 years as a Yankee; not counting PS games, played only 534 games for the Yanx........1215 Games Won as a Mgr, lost 1013 games, a .553 Win Pctg..... (with 5 Teams).........

Billy was as tough as nails, and with His approach, to never accepting 2nd best, I'd want Martin on my Team as a Player and/or Mgr. any y......Sad way he passed too, coming home from the Liquor Store on a Cold, Icy, Winding Road, ......

even tho' I don't see Billy (statistically) as a HOF worthy player, or- as a Mgr. It would be fair to say, Billy brought with Him, not only a mentality to win as a player and Mgr. Which is like IMO, immeasurable intangibles, one can't be taught easily if at all......
 
Don't forget that Billy Martin served in the U.S. Army ( 10th Mountain Division ) causing him to miss the entire 1954 and most of the '55 as well.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Don't forget that Billy Martin served in the U.S. Army ( 10th Mountain Division ) causing him to miss the entire 1954 and most of the '55 as well.
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I don't think those years would have added much to his resume.
 
Martin was in the 10th? No wonder he was such a tough little fucker.
 
Whitey Herzog, HOF MGR: 1281 wins, .532 win %,
One WS championship.

Billy Martin, MGR, 1253 wins, .553 win %,
One championship.

Martin managed four different franchises to first place.
1969 Twins, '72 Tigers, '76/77 Yanks, '81 A's. Still a record.

Martin teams vs Herog teams in post season: 2-0

Obviously the "voters" are holding a grudge or using discrimination against Martin.
 
I know Herzog's managerial record and accomplishments - I already listed his total WINS, WIN% and championship.

I also cited Martin's managerial record, accomplishments and championship.
Did you see the part which noted him taking FOUR different franchises to a first place finish? Something for them to sink their teeth into.
 
Of the 10 modern day managers currently in the HOF 6 of them have won over 2000 games. Of the other 4

Tommy Lasorda 1,599 - 1,439 = .529 winning% won 4 pennants & 2 WS

Earl Weaver 1,480 - 1,060 = .583 the highest winning % of the 10. Won 4 pennants & 1 WS.

Dick Williams 1,571 - 1,451 = .520 winning %. Won 4 pennants & 2 WS

Whitey Herzog 1,281 - 1,125 = .532 winning %. Won 3 pennants & 1 WS

IF Martin were to get in he would do so with the least amount of victories 1,253 - 1,013 = .553 winning % with 2 pennants & 1 WS.

Like I said IMO Herzog doesn't belong & nor would Martin.
 
Those Yankee Kansas City Teams played on a gas tank. I heard Brett state on more than one occasion that the Yankees and Royals hated each other. Ironic that Herzog lost all three playoff series as KC manager, then lost to KC in '85 returning as the visitor.
 
Rick2583 said:
Of the 10 modern day managers currently in the HOF 6 of them have won over 2000 games. Of the other 4

Tommy Lasorda 1,599 - 1,439 = .529 winning% won 4 pennants & 2 WS

Earl Weaver 1,480 - 1,060 = .583 the highest winning % of the 10. Won 4 pennants & 1 WS.

Dick Williams 1,571 - 1,451 = .520 winning %. Won 4 pennants & 2 WS

Whitey Herzog 1,281 - 1,125 = .532 winning %. Won 3 pennants & 1 WS

IF Martin were to get in he would do so with the least amount of victories 1,253 - 1,013 = .553 winning % with 2 pennants & 1 WS.

Like I said IMO Herzog doesn't belong & nor would Martin.
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And, Martin has a higher win % than all of them except Weaver, and won as many championships as Weaver and Herzog and.....Herzog is IN which makes the comparison with him totally relevant, and.........Martin accomplished something NONE of them ever did managing four different franchises to first place.

Like I said, I still believe Martin belongs in the HOF.

We're not going to change each other's minds so I guess we leave it at that.
 
...don't know is he's a HOFer or not but as a manager, I seem to remember Martin making an impact on every team he coached. His players respected him.
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...don't know is he's a HOFer or not but as a manager, I seem to remember Martin making an impact on every team he coached. His player respected him.
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Now THAT! I'll agree with you. The day he pulled Reggie from the field I gained a lot of respect for him as a manager. And its that kind of fire & those kind of balls that's lacking today.
 
Rick, I remember watching that game live on Saturday TV...and I recall Ellie getting in between Reggie and Billy. Reggie would have destroyed Martin...but you know Billy. he didn't care...and would gladly punch a locomotive if he had a mind to.

Those late 70's Yanx teams, the early 70's A's and others, were great teams that despite the fact that they didn't particularly like each other, they still managed to put their differences aside long enough to kick the shit out of their opponents.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Rick, I remember watching that game live on Saturday TV...and I recall Ellie getting in between Reggie and Billy. Reggie would have destroyed Martin...but you know Billy. he didn't care...and would gladly punch a locomotive if he had a mind to.

Those late 70's Yanx teams, the early 70's A's and others, were great teams that despite the fact that they didn't particularly like each other, they still managed to put their differences aside long enough to kick the shit out of their opponents.
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To say those teams of the mid/late 70s left everything on the field would be a major under statement. The toughest "take no prisoners" team I ever saw.
 
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