Romney takes lead in Electoral College Projection

[The_Lillard_King]

yeah...I am trying not to get into the usual "but dont you understand what he has done wrong" thing. I really want to know why a smart person would line up for more abuse. What is it about the guy that no matter what he says or does, he may winn a seconed trem.... I just dont get it, it is beyond my comprehension...

Wow. You don't understand why a smart person would vote for Obama and can't even comprehend the idea of voting for Obama?

Obama steped into a big old pile of poop thanks to 8 years of Bush. Hard for me to tell if the employment rate and deficit can all be attributed to him or a matter of circumstances, but it's not like he took over a great economic situation and ruined it. Also, there are many different factors when people decide to vote, not jus the economy.

I'm for Romeny, but am scared we might return to the Republican policies of Bush. And if Romney does no better than Obama on the economy, I think the country loses out as I don't expect Romney to be very good at foreign affairs, rights for woman, talking care of the elderly and the sick and host of other areas.

It amazes how people think it is all good with one canidate and all bad with another. There are pros and cons for each canidate and it depends what your priorties are and what you think the canidate will do in that area. But to question why a smart person would vote for Obama and take the abuse and not comprenhend why someone would vote for Obama . . . well is not a "smart" thing say.

 

[MARIS61]

I think this deserves a thread by itself. It's rather huge news.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Romney has taken his first lead in the Electoral College map on RealClearPolitics.com, 206-201 with 131 EVs as toss ups.

It speaks to the trends.

However, if leaners are included (no tossups), Obama is ahead 294-244.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ctions_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

So, after sifting through the right-wing misdirection, we're left with Obama is ahead 294-244.

How is that huge news?

 

[MARIS61]

yeah...I am trying not to get into the usual "but dont you understand what he has done wrong" thing. I really want to know why a smart person would line up for more abuse. What is it about the guy that no matter what he says or does, he may winn a seconed trem.... I just dont get it, it is beyond my comprehension...

And I don't know what it is you think he's done wrong.

 

[mobes23]

Danny Westneat, a Seattle Times columnist, pretty well summed it up for me why I still support Obama:

"We can fight about the details, or whether you like these things, but he stopped the economic free fall, ended the Iraq war, re-regulated Wall Street, saved the car industry, passed national health insurance, got bin Laden, mandated a doubling of car-fuel efficiencies, ended 'don't ask, don't tell' and jump-started, via the stimulus bill, the green-energy industry."

On the other hand, my list of likes under Bush was much shorter. As far as the economy goes, unfettered regulation is what caused the housing bubble and financial crisis...so re-embracing that does not appeal. From a budget standpoint, I don't believe Romney's assertion that he will cut taxes, increase defense spending and reduce the deficit. I wish it was true (who wouldn't...it's what we want to hear), but I don't believe it (sorry, Denny).

Personally, I wish both sides could accept that either candidate has merits and that the U.S. will survive just fine regardless of who is elected. While I like one better than the other, I don't get the need people have to make their favorite look like a saint and the other stupid or evil.

 

[maxiep]

Oh yeah. Going to a Moveon.org rally later tonight! gonna be epic!

Seriously, if I were single, I would head to the nearest Obama election night party I could find. If he wins, there's going to be a lot of celebration sex and if he loses, then there's going to be even more consolation sex. I went to Clinton parties in both 92 and 96 and a Kerry pity party in 2004, and it was unbelievable. In 2000, I was in Sweden, so it was great for an entirely different reason. I may not be a fan of their policies, but I am a fan of the morals of Democratic women.

 

[maxiep]

So, after sifting through the right-wing misdirection, we're left with Obama is ahead 294-244.

How is that huge news?

Because the vast majority of the polls are based on 2008 models. Do you believe turnout is going to replicate 2008?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Seriously, if I were single, I would head to the nearest Obama election night party I could find. If he wins, there's going to be a lot of celebration sex and if he loses, then there's going to be even more consolation sex. I went to Clinton parties in both 92 and 96 and a Kerry pity party in 2004, and it was unbelievable. In 2000, I was in Sweden, so it was great for an entirely different reason. I may not be a fan of their policies, but I am a fan of the morals of Democratic women.

Yeah, in LA people don't care all that much. maybe if i were in berkley or something.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Wow. You don't understand why a smart person would vote for Obama and can't even comprehend the idea of voting for Obama?

Obama steped into a big old pile of poop thanks to 8 years of Bush. Hard for me to tell if the employment rate and deficit can all be attributed to him or a matter of circumstances, but it's not like he took over a great economic situation and ruined it. Also, there are many different factors when people decide to vote, not jus the economy.

I'm for Romeny, but am scared we might return to the Republican policies of Bush. And if Romney does no better than Obama on the economy, I think the country loses out as I don't expect Romney to be very good at foreign affairs, rights for woman, talking care of the elderly and the sick and host of other areas.

It amazes how people think it is all good with one canidate and all bad with another. There are pros and cons for each canidate and it depends what your priorties are and what you think the canidate will do in that area. But to question why a smart person would vote for Obama and take the abuse and not comprenhend why someone would vote for Obama . . . well is not a "smart" thing say.

not a smart thing to say...yeah, but as hard as things have been, and how much better they shoud be...canadian pipe line, oil permits, the closure of the off shore drilling and oil rigs...I mean , its easy to go on and on..It does not take a political news junkie to have a clue as to what is going on..so the lip service to rghts for ladies, blah blah blah...its just a smoke screen..no one is trying to drag us all back to the stone age..I really dont get it..

I guess I view Mitt almost on parr with Hillery. I feel they are both more middle road, rather than far left or right.

 

[e_blazer]

Seriously, if I were single, I would head to the nearest Obama election night party I could find. If he wins, there's going to be a lot of celebration sex and if he loses, then there's going to be even more consolation sex. I went to Clinton parties in both 92 and 96 and a Kerry pity party in 2004, and it was unbelievable. In 2000, I was in Sweden, so it was great for an entirely different reason. I may not be a fan of their policies, but I am a fan of the morals of Democratic women.

Did you get binders of women?

 

[donkiez]

How are healthcare and education human rights? If you were on a deserted island, who would be responsible for giving you your "rights" of healthcare and education? It just doesn't make sense.

If that is your defination of human rights then most on the UN list wont qualify. Ask most of the other developed countries in the world how they do it. It would cost less than a war on Iraq.

"Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control"

"But international human rights law is unambiguous on the matter: Universal health care is a right, and the government must step in and provide it if the private sector fails to do so. If there are such things as human rights, under the international framework, then health care is definitely among them"

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/equalrights/f/Health-Care-Human-Right.htm

It really comes down to humanity. The well take care of the sick and together we are all stronger and more prosperous. Obama care doesnt have all the right answers but like I said its a step in right direction.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

but does that include my birth control?

 

[Denny Crane]

If that is your defination of human rights then most on the UN list wont qualify. Ask most of the other developed countries in the world how they do it. It would cost less than a war on Iraq.

"Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control"

"But international human rights law is unambiguous on the matter: Universal health care is a right, and the government must step in and provide it if the private sector fails to do so. If there are such things as human rights, under the international framework, then health care is definitely among them"

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/equalrights/f/Health-Care-Human-Right.htm

It really comes down to humanity. The well take care of the sick and together we are all stronger and more prosperous. Obama care doesnt have all the right answers but like I said its a step in right direction.

UN list is irrelevant. And it looks like you'd advocate for free homes, free clothes at the clothing store, free food at the grocery store, etc., for everyone, too.

And the cost of health care is 17x what the cost of the Iraq War was. We didn't spend in all the years we were in Iraq what we spend in one year on health care.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

UN list is irrelevant. And it looks like you'd advocate for free homes, free clothes at the clothing store, free food at the grocery store, etc., for everyone, too.

And the cost of health care is 17x what the cost of the Iraq War was. We didn't spend in all the years we were in Iraq what we spend in one year on health care.

yeah, I have been reading up on the UN signers, hell some of those countries still kill baby girls..stone girls for , well almost anything. Will kill you for speaking your mind..The UN has been a failure for the most part. Concieved with the greatest of intentions, mankind is just not ready to carry through with the ideals.

 

[maxiep]

Not sure I buy it, but if true, this election is over.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-...lue-pennsylvania/article/2511153#.UICJS4WhUeN

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Seriously, if I were single, I would head to the nearest Obama election night party I could find. If he wins, there's going to be a lot of celebration sex and if he loses, then there's going to be even more consolation sex. I went to Clinton parties in both 92 and 96 and a Kerry pity party in 2004, and it was unbelievable. In 2000, I was in Sweden, so it was great for an entirely different reason. I may not be a fan of their policies, but I am a fan of the morals of Democratic women.

Reminds of the movie where they would attend random funerals to hit on vunerable woman.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Not sure I buy it, but if true, this election is over.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-...lue-pennsylvania/article/2511153#.UICJS4WhUeN

never over until its over. i keep expectations low. but fuck me if Obama loses, I'm going to go to DC for the inauguration and post pics on FB just to rub it in peoples faces.

 

[MARIS61]

And the cost of health care is 17x what the cost of the Iraq War was.

Not true if you simply remove the unnecessary health insurance industry from the equation, and reduce the pay and profit margin to levels similar to other countries (most of which have better healthcare than the US).

Socialized healthcare is what smart countries have.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Socialized healthcare is what small countries of white people have.

fixed that for you.

 

[MARIS61]

Seriously, if I were single, I would head to the nearest Obama election night party I could find. If he wins, there's going to be a lot of celebration sex and if he loses, then there's going to be even more consolation sex. I went to Clinton parties in both 92 and 96 and a Kerry pity party in 2004, and it was unbelievable. In 2000, I was in Sweden, so it was great for an entirely different reason. I may not be a fan of their policies, but I am a fan of the morals of Democratic women.

So you're saying if a woman stoops to having sex with maxiep she's immoral?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

ok, sorry erp derp

 

[Denny Crane]

Not true if you simply remove the unnecessary health insurance industry from the equation, and reduce the pay and profit margin to levels similar to other countries (most of which have better healthcare than the US).

Socialized healthcare is what smart countries have.

Let me know when you discover a fact.

 

[maxiep]

I'm beginning to think Romney will win the overall vote and lose the electoral college. If so, hopefully people can stop bitching about Al Gore.

 

[MARIS61]

Because the vast majority of the polls are based on 2008 models. Do you believe turnout is going to replicate 2008?

I believe it will exceed it, for the Dems anyway.

who knows what those kwazy republicans will do?

 

[MARIS61]

Seriously, if I were single, I would head to the nearest Obama election night party I could find. If he wins, there's going to be a lot of celebration sex and if he loses, then there's going to be even more consolation sex. I went to Clinton parties in both 92 and 96 and a Kerry pity party in 2004, and it was unbelievable. In 2000, I was in Sweden, so it was great for an entirely different reason. I may not be a fan of their policies, but I am a fan of the morals of Democratic women.

I know I've seen this movie, was it...

maxiep - Sleeping With The Enemy

or

maxiep - The Four Year Itch

 

[Denny Crane]

Interestingly, I was reading this article on realclearpolitics about whether JFK really won the 1960 popular vote. I guess the writer is trying to make the case that Romney may win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote - if that happens, so be it, the electoral college is what we rightly have. So the first sentence in the article is:

"Right now the RCP Averages are showing an odd situation. Mitt Romney leads nationally by one point, but trails in the Electoral College by a 294-244 count. "

I click on the 294-244 count (it's a link) only to find that since the article was written, RCP has moved Virginia from Obama's to Romney's column and their EV count is currently 281-257.

That's with no leaners. A .1% advantage for a candidate gets him that state.

Consider if Ohio flips to Romney's column, it's a lead for Romney in the Electoral Vote. Or a combination of states like New Hampshire (Obama +.8) and Wisconsin (Obama +2.8).

I would point out that early voting is so early this year that a lot of people voted before the first debate, when Obama looked like a shoo-in.

 

[donkiez]

but does that include my birth control?

It should because Im not sure its in the best interest of our country for you to reproduce.


ziiiiiinnnnnggggg

 

[donkiez]

UN list is irrelevant. And it looks like you'd advocate for free homes, free clothes at the clothing store, free food at the grocery store, etc., for everyone, too.

And the cost of health care is 17x what the cost of the Iraq War was. We didn't spend in all the years we were in Iraq what we spend in one year on health care.

I would if a major portion of our country was left homeless, naked and hungry. Which is the equivalent of what is happening in our health care industry.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

 

[Denny Crane]

I would if a major portion of our country was left homeless, naked and hungry. Which is the equivalent of what is happening in our health care industry.

I disagree that's what is happening in our health care industry. Do not confuse health care insurance with health care delivery. All the health care that is needed is delivered.

There are more people outright homeless, and even more people unemployed, than those who don't get health care. And those who don't get health care refuse to go out and get it.

This article describes how a fellow went without insurance but got health care, and how he got it for a low cost.

http://thebillfold.com/2012/06/how-to-get-health-care-while-uninsured/

I thought of health insurance as some kind of entry card to the entire health care system, but it doesn’t work that way. Plain old cash can get you through the door too. A trip to a doctor costs around $150–$200, or about the price of a nice dinner.

If you’re too broke to go for nice dinners, then look for community health clinics, like Ryan-NENA in New York City, which has a sliding scale for people without health insurance. I used to go there for routine check-ups when I was a student, and they were very nice. I don’t remember getting a bill for more than $5.

It seems to me there's absolutely no compelling interest for the govt. to mandate a transfer of wealth from our wallets to the insurance companies. If the Ryan-NENA clinic is overbooked, there IS a case to be made to build another clinic or expand the existing one.