Romney tells millionaires what he really thinks of Obama voters

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We've gone over this a few times. Never attended Gonzaga. Just a lowly Union honk.

My bad. I guess your ardor for Morrison had me thinking you must have attended Gonzaga.

Private- or public-sector union? For the record, I'm for the first, but not the second. Private sector unions help keep wages at a healthy rate. The conflict between union and management provides a good equilibrium. Public-sector unions can help determine who's on the other side of the table through political donations. Given elected officials don't really have a bottom line, the healthy conflict doesn't exist.
 
A few things. First, no one said "poor". Second, there's this thing in statistics called "distribution". While the average may be one number, very rich and very poor live next to one another.

you said "try living in ny on 200k a year"

what is that supposed to mean?
 
you said "try living in ny on 200k a year"

what is that supposed to mean?

It means if you make less, you'll be riding the subway for an hour and a half, each way, from the sticks to your job.
 
Who is Willard?

A rat.

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barfo
 
My bad. I guess your ardor for Morrison had me thinking you must have attended Gonzaga.

Private- or public-sector union? For the record, I'm for the first, but not the second. Private sector unions help keep wages at a healthy rate. The conflict between union and management provides a good equilibrium. Public-sector unions can help determine who's on the other side of the table through political donations. Given elected officials don't really have a bottom line, the healthy conflict doesn't exist.

Public sector :)
 
oh god, not another weirdo who blames the countries troubles on firemen and schoolteachers... unreal
 
There are about 1.1M firefighters in the USA. Pay them all $100K and it costs $101B, or 1/40th of the federal budget. Though they're not paid for by the federal budget. However, the reality is only 100K of them actually get paid to be firefighters. Their salaries range from $30K to $50K. The max a firefighter gets paid is $65K.

There are half as many policemen. Top patrol pay is $60K.

So let's cut the budget anywhere else and quit lying about budget cuts affecting these guys.
 
I'm just a freeloader liberal that wants to play hackeysack and listen to Dave Matthews. The government can take care of the rest...
 
The goose is cooked. Barring a huge gaff by Obama, or three crushing debates by Romney, Obama will have a second term.
 
What the hell is Romney doing? He can surely make his point without insulting 47% or whatever of the population.
 
What the hell is Romney doing? He can surely make his point without insulting 47% or whatever of the population.

He's betting that the American people don't want a cradle-to-grave welfare state and they want a return to an opportunity society. Let's hope he's right. If not, there's no going back.
 
The goose is cooked. Barring a huge gaff by Obama, or three crushing debates by Romney, Obama will have a second term.

Could be, but I don't see that this really makes much difference. The people who are "pissed" about this are the ones who weren't going to vote for him anyway. Romney's base agree with the sentiments he expressed.
 
Could be, but I don't see that this really makes much difference. The people who are "pissed" about this are the ones who weren't going to vote for him anyway. Romney's base agree with the sentiments he expressed.

it was always going to be decided by the independents, and alot of old ladys on welfare (medicare) probably just got turned off a bit
 
He's betting that the American people don't want a cradle-to-grave welfare state and they want a return to an opportunity society. Let's hope he's right. If not, there's no going back.

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it was always going to be decided by the independents, and alot of old ladys on welfare (medicare) probably just got turned off a bit

Wait you are an old lady?

Otherwise how do you know what they think?
 
Could be, but I don't see that this really makes much difference. The people who are "pissed" about this are the ones who weren't going to vote for him anyway. Romney's base agree with the sentiments he expressed.

My guess is that there will be some elderly who will be very turned off by these recent Romney comments. And with Florida already leaning Dem, this should cement that state in blue. If Romney can't win Flordia, he really can't get the electoral votes needs.

I would be willing to bet that Obama wins. $50, or perhaps a sig or avatar bet. I trust my read of the situation.
 
Could be, but I don't see that this really makes much difference.

Maybe it won't, I certainly don't know. On the other hand, if this doesn't make a difference, what will? Is there anything that can change the race?

barfo
 
Maybe you should have clicked each of them before posting. There are 3 that are Romney, the rest are other politicians.

How can you tell? Are the other 20 less embarrassing?

barfo
 
The Grover Norquist pledge that numerous candidates/elected officials have signed says no tax increases no matter what. But it really means no tax increases for the rich. South Carolina and Kansas both passed budgets that cut taxes on the rich and raise them on the poor. Wisconsin's budget cuts taxes in all brackets except the lowest. Cut taxes on the rich, raise on the poor. Robin Hood in reverse. The problem with the poor is they just have too damn much money. Like soldiers in combat zones who are exempted from federal income tax. Retirees on social security and medicare. Just too damn much money. Need to raise their taxes so billionaires can pay less.

No one in the world has gotten richer in the past 4 years than Sheldon Adelson. But he has committed unlimited funds to Romney. He says it's because Romney is more committed to Israel. So what is Romney's position on the Middle East, per this vid? Kick it down the road, maybe someday something will happen. That's leadership? That's supporting Israel? Or anything? Every president for decades has at least tried, some have achievements to their credit. Romney says he'll do nothing. Maybe Adelson really just likes the fact that he'd pay $2 billion less under Romney's huge tax cut for the rich.

Romney's campaign has been criticized for lack of specifics. A week ago his campaign said they would focus more on specifics, but when reporters asked what specifics they didn't answer. Now we can see why. The way you solve problems of international relations is kick them down the road. And if Romney is elected, per his remarks, the economy will automatically improve just from his presence, even if he does nothing. Abracadabra!

I'm a sports fan, obviously. Watching a game where one team is getting killed by their own mishaps, an NBA team down 45 points, a baseball team down 20-2, I sometimes feel sorry for the players on the losing side (unless it's the Lakers, of course). I sometimes think there should be a mercy rule so the poor schlubs don't have to keep on until the end, getting pasted, and the poor broadcasters don't have to keep thinking of things to say.

But this independent voter - and I did not vote for Obama in 2008 due to profound political disagreements - just can't feel sorry watching Romney self-destruct. I think Republican Joe Scarborough summed it up when he said Romney is not a true conservative, not a courageous moderate, has no real positions on anything, he is just an ambitious man. He's a multimillionaire who's been a CEO and a governor and just wants president on his resume. Stephen Colbert in his inimitable way "mocked" Obama saying "I am the President", saying "the arrogance of the man! You won't ever hear Romney say that!" No, you won't.
 
My guess is that there will be some elderly who will be very turned off by these recent Romney comments. And with Florida already leaning Dem, this should cement that state in blue. If Romney can't win Flordia, he really can't get the electoral votes needs.

I would be willing to bet that Obama wins. $50, or perhaps a sig or avatar bet. I trust my read of the situation.

I didn't say Obama wasn't going to win, just that I don't see this one blooper as making that much of a difference. I tip my hat to the Democrats for being really smart at when they released this. Obviously, since the event happened in May, they've had it in their arsenal waiting to release it until just the right time when it could be a major distraction for Romney just prior to the debates. Much smarter than the Republicans were last time with the Reverend Wright and "clinging to guns & religion" Obama faux pas in the 2008 election. Those were released much too early and had blown over by election day. Still, I doubt this thing will be of nearly as much importance in determining the election as the debates and what may happen to the economy between now and election day.
 
The funny thing, crandc, is that people say he lacks specifics, then they go into specifics about how he proposes to do X (like cut taxes on the rich and raise taxes on the poor).

Having one's cake and eating it too?
 
He's betting that the American people don't want a cradle-to-grave welfare state and they want a return to an opportunity society. Let's hope he's right. If not, there's no going back.

I don't think so because he is backing way off that comment.

It was just a stupid thing for any politician to say. He will be allowed to clarify it in the debates, and by god he better have one of his political writes explain what he meant.

The problem with Mitt is not many feel like he can relate with him and he keeps feeding fuel to the fire. The economy is bad enough and people are looking for a new leader, this election is ripe for an incumbant losing . . . but it's almost like Romney is trying to lose this. Probably just doesn't understand politics.

I'm ready to go with someone new who could possibly turn the economy. But I, and I suspect many other out there, are having a hard time relating to Romney. And he doesn't seem to be trying or care to relate at all with people outside his world. Maybe he can utilize the debates to show he relates with the masses.
 
What the hell is Romney doing? He can surely make his point without insulting 47% or whatever of the population.

I don't think so. Have you ever tried not speaking at all, to anyone, for 2 months straight?
 

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