Romney video missing 'one to two minutes'

[Denny Crane]

Sorry for paraphrasing but clearly means lazy.

Sounds like he said "believe govt. has the responsibility to care for them, who believe their are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing!"

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Only a fool really believes he wouldn't care about the middle class or the poor, but he says stuff like "we have programs for the poor, they're fine" or this latest one and it's somehow big news.

I think this is a fundelmental flaw in your thinking. What you think is Romney misspeaking is for some of us very foretelling. What has Romeny done to show he cares about the middle class and the poor. We know he thinks they believe they are victims and entitled to things. He certainly didn't say good things about 47% of the population.

Personally if I thought the guy had a heart and would be concerned for poor and lower middle class, I would seriously be considering him. But I don't . . . yet. Looking forward to the debates.

 

[Eastoff]

Sounds like he said "believe govt. has the responsibility to care for them, who believe their are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing!"

He just thinks they have low self esteem?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Sounds like he said "believe govt. has the responsibility to care for them, who believe their are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing!"

Everyone of the 47% believes this, damn it!

He is just a couple of step away from "all Black people feel entitled".

 

[Masbee]

Is it really true that 47% of voters don't pay taxes?

Actually, more than 47% of voters don't pay INCOME taxes.

The "47%" number refers to people who FILE TAX RETURNS that don't pay any income tax. Many people who vote do not file tax returns.

Also, it is more than that 47% don't pay income taxes, the majority of those 47% recieve cash from the IRS. Called the Earned Income Tax Credit.

And to be sure those 47% do pay taxes - Social Security, Medicare and State taxes (could be Income or Sales, etc.) - just not any Federal Income Tax.

 

[Masbee]

Sorry for paraphrasing but clearly means lazy.

Yeah....

No it doesn't.

But, thanks.

 

[Blaze01]

What? No marches by the left saying we are the 47%?


I'm dissapointed....

 

[julius]

What? No marches by the left saying we are the 47%?


I'm dissapointed....

Not as disappointed as I think most of us are by that pretty weak attempt at a joke you just laid there.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think this is a fundelmental flaw in your thinking. What you think is Romney misspeaking is for some of us very foretelling. What has Romeny done to show he cares about the middle class and the poor. We know he thinks they believe they are victims and entitled to things. He certainly didn't say good things about 47% of the population.

Personally if I thought the guy had a heart and would be concerned for poor and lower middle class, I would seriously be considering him. But I don't . . . yet. Looking forward to the debates.

He does have a record as governor of Mass. You think he'd push through RomneyCare there if he didn't care about the poor and lower middle class? He proposed indexing the minimum wage to inflation, and a minimum wage increase. He signed off on a huge budget increase to build low cost housing. He proposed $8B in bonds to fund school building projects. He established a fund to pay for FREE tuition to the state's universities and colleges to the top 25% of high school students.

He did a lot of things for the people who served in the wars (tax exemptions, cash handouts, etc.).

I don't think his record was all peachy, but I also don't think you can find in his actual record anything that indicates he doesn't care for people at the lowest end of the wage scale.

 

[Denny Crane]

He just thinks they have low self esteem?

He said what he said, not what you said he said.

And not what barfo said you said he said.

 

[RR7]

He does have a record as governor of Mass. You think he'd push through RomneyCare there if he didn't care about the poor and lower middle class? He proposed indexing the minimum wage to inflation, and a minimum wage increase. He signed off on a huge budget increase to build low cost housing. He proposed $8B in bonds to fund school building projects. He established a fund to pay for FREE tuition to the state's universities and colleges to the top 25% of high school students.

He did a lot of things for the people who served in the wars (tax exemptions, cash handouts, etc.).

I don't think his record was all peachy, but I also don't think you can find in his actual record anything that indicates he doesn't care for people at the lowest end of the wage scale.

Damn, all those handouts. That can't go over well with his voting block, can it?

 

[bluefrog]

The Shirley Sherrod tape was about the audience reaction to her questioning whether she should help a white farmer (they cheered), not about Shirley Sherrod.

C'mon maxie, you're smarter than that.

 

[Denny Crane]

Damn, all those handouts. That can't go over well with his voting block, can it?

He donated $millions of his own money to charity, too.

I just don't see the "he doesn't care about poor people" claim being anything but a caricature of a Mitt Romney that exists only in the fevered minds of those who want to see him defeated.

 

[MickZagger]

He donated $millions of his own money to charity, too.

I just don't see the "he doesn't care about poor people" claim being anything but a caricature of a Mitt Romney that exists only in the fevered minds of those who want to see him defeated.

Ever hear of a tax write-off.

When billionaires give a little to charity it doesn't make me click my heels with joy.

 

[Denny Crane]

LOL

The tax write off at 15% tax rate meant he the $7M he donated really cost him $6M. But he still paid the $6M from his pocket.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

oh yeah? how many backpacks did he put rulers into?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

He donated $millions of his own money to charity, too.

I just don't see the "he doesn't care about poor people" claim being anything but a caricature of a Mitt Romney that exists only in the fevered minds of those who want to see him defeated.

I get that you think he does care about poor people even if he thinks they are self claimed entitled victims, and I even concede you could be right. But I can't believe you think the only people who question if he will give a rat's ass about the lower middle class and below are all those with fevered minds to want to see him defeated . . . you sound like . . . well like Romney (broadly characterizing a voting group)

A HUGE issue in this election is the perception that Romney is big business good old boys club that looks down at lower income people. It is a real perception out there by many independents and not because they are fevered minded to see him defeated. It's because they don't follow politics much (like me) and that is the image that the democratic party and Romney put out there and is being bought by independents.

If you don't see "he doesn't care about poor people" being an issue, I don't think you have any kind of pulse on this election.

 

[Denny Crane]

I get that you think he does care about poor people even if he thinks they are victims and entitled and I even concede you could be right. But I can't believe you think the only people who question if he will give a rat's ass about the lower middle class and below are all those with fevered minds to want to see him defeated . . . you sound like . . . well like Romney.

A HUGE issue in this election is the perception that Romney is big business good old boys club that looks down at lower income people. It is a real perception out there by many independents and not because they are fevered minded to see him defeated. It's because they don't follow politics much (like me) and that is the image that the democratic party and Romney put out there. If you don't see "he doesn't care about poor people" being an issue, I don't think you have any kind of pulse on this election.

I wrote about a caricature. How was it created? With nearly a $billion spent on advertisements and a parade of left-wing talking heads on TV and writing in the newspapers.

As near as I can tell, Romney hasn't been a businessman for 12 years. As I said, he was a public servant, able to win the governors office in a most liberal state (since then) and has basically been a presidential candidate ever since.

Here's something to consider:

In Obama's own words, "If you work hard, if you're responsible, then your work should be rewarded." And, the top 1% don't pay their fair share, so they're gaining advantage at everyone else's expense." And the whole Occupy movement (why would you care how much someone else makes, unless you feel you're a victim or someone else is?). They're told they can't fend for themselves and that they need 99 weeks of unemployment or other govt. assistance.

Would someone who works hard, but makes minimum wage (or 2x that or 3x that) feel rewarded? If not, then are they not, in fact, victims in the eyes of our current left-leaning leaders? They're being barraged with the talk they're victims by the president's speeches, his minions, the media, etc.

So if Romney says he can't easily fight that perception, and the strategy to win the presidency against all that is to focus on the other 53%, I'm not seeing the real issue.

Of course Romney bears the bulk of the blame for the predicament he's in. He's had an enormous amount of money to spend, himself, and barely made the sale with his own party faithful, let alone the electorate. Yet. Yet, but time is running out.

On the other hand, Obama started out his presidency with 53% of the voters on his side, and even higher popularity ratings. At 47%, Romney may have taken him down a bit from his pedestal.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'd like to ask another question along the same lines. What is it, exactly, that Romney's going to do that will hurt the middle class (47% means a lot of middle class people)?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...v0Whbw?docId=48328c71af0241c39aef95fda77612f7

Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class.

The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises.

The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed. The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected in 2016, when the penalty is fully in effect.

That's still only a sliver of the population, given that more than 150 million people currently are covered by employer plans. Nonetheless, in his first campaign for the White House, Obama pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000.

And the budget office analysis found that nearly 80 percent of those who'll face the penalty would be making up to or less than five times the federal poverty level. Currently that would work out to $55,850 or less for an individual and $115,250 or less for a family of four.

Average penalty: about $1,200 in 2016.

(more at the link)

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I wrote about a caricature. How was it created? With nearly a $billion spent on advertisements and a parade of left-wing talking heads on TV and writing in the newspapers.

As near as I can tell, Romney hasn't been a businessman for 12 years. As I said, he was a public servant, able to win the governors office in a most liberal state (since then) and has basically been a presidential candidate ever since.

Here's something to consider:

In Obama's own words, "If you work hard, if you're responsible, then your work should be rewarded." And, the top 1% don't pay their fair share, so they're gaining advantage at everyone else's expense." And the whole Occupy movement (why would you care how much someone else makes, unless you feel you're a victim or someone else is?). They're told they can't fend for themselves and that they need 99 weeks of unemployment or other govt. assistance.

Would someone who works hard, but makes minimum wage (or 2x that or 3x that) feel rewarded? If not, then are they not, in fact, victims in the eyes of our current left-leaning leaders? They're being barraged with the talk they're victims by the president's speeches, his minions, the media, etc.

So if Romney says he can't easily fight that perception, and the strategy to win the presidency against all that is to focus on the other 53%, I'm not seeing the real issue.

Of course Romney bears the bulk of the blame for the predicament he's in. He's had an enormous amount of money to spend, himself, and barely made the sale with his own party faithful, let alone the electorate. Yet. Yet, but time is running out.

On the other hand, Obama started out his presidency with 53% of the voters on his side, and even higher popularity ratings. At 47%, Romney may have taken him down a bit from his pedestal.

It's not the caricature I was referring to, I don't agree that the only people who believe the caricature are fever minded people out to defeat Romney.

But I can't sit here and debate you on his record or policies or stuff like that because I really don't know it well. I will say that if the democrats are so successful at creating this caricature I can't believe the Republicans are having such a tough time getting the truth out there. It would seem like easy picking to show who Romney really is that he can relate with the common man and cares about lower middle class.

I hope his true "caricature" comes out before the election . . .

 

[Denny Crane]

If both campaigns raise $1B (which is about right) and spend it all on advertising, there's just so much air time to go around.

PR is about getting the press to write about your product or company so you don't have to pay for advertising. PR applies to campaigns, too. And the Democrats have the big media in their pockets - ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NY TIMES, WASHINGTON POST, etc. There is Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and the like on the Republican side. Guess who's got the bigger megaphone?

MSNBC is a 24/7 campaign commercial for Obama. Obama can't run on his miserable economic record so his strategy is to attack. So MSNBC is 24/7 attack Romney. Get it?

Fox News is pretty much the same, though they have actual news programming where they aren't talking politics for an hour at a time, here and there. Fox has a big news organization - it's impressive, actually But NBC, CBS, the newspapers, etc., combined have much bigger ones (and Rush Limbaugh is a small operation).

To boot, the election looks to be decided by just a small number of states (maybe 14 of the 50). So all the campaigns' and PACs' spending is going on there. California is solidly for Obama, and I haven't seen a single Romney or Obama campaign ad this year. Four years ago, I lived in Vegas and Nevada was a swing state and all you could see on TV were campaign commercials.

So exactly how are republicans to get the truth out there? Reagan had a tough time of it, but blew people away with his persona during the debates. Romney had his convention and has the upcoming debates to speak directly to the people, unfiltered by the caricature makers. He's no Reagan.

 

[jlprk]

What could Romney have said in the missing 2 minutes? "What I just said about 47%--I was joking!"

He could clear up what he said by simply releasing his speech. Instead, he confirmed that the tape portrayed him accurately when he defended it and said that his words "resonate with America."

So PapaG started yet another BS thread about nothing.

 

[maxiep]

C'mon maxie, you're smarter than that.

Nope. Sorry.

 

[Masbee]

Ever hear of a tax write-off.

When billionaires give a little to charity it doesn't make me click my heels with joy.

It's not a 100 percent write off.

Real Money is given.

And Romney is not a billionaire.

How brainwashed are you by the left media onslaught?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

 

[MARIS61]

I think Romney has trouble talking strategy publicly. Only a fool really believes he wouldn't care about the middle class or the poor, but he says stuff like "we have programs for the poor, they're fine" or this latest one and it's somehow big news.

They're burning our flag in 20 nations right now, and they've sieged our embassies. The administration claimed it was about a film, firmly denied the attack on our ambassador was coordinated, then put a bullseye on some guy with a criminal record to hide their tracks. Today, they acknowledge for the first time that it was a terrorist attack (http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/19/obama_official_benghazi_was_a_terrorist_attack).

And Romney's gaffe is the headlines? Why are you so interested in talking about the gaffe and not the rapidly deteriorating situation all around the world, just after the DNC made hay about how great Obama's foreign policy has been?

LOL

Someone has control over the media.

Because it clearly was not a gaffe. It was Romney being as honest as he can in front of a friendly crowd of rich snobs like himself.

 

[MickZagger]

It's not a 100 percent write off.

Real Money is given.

And Romney is not a billionaire.

How brainwashed are you by the left media onslaught?

What does the word superlative mean to you?

 

[crandc]

I agree Romney has what I'd call "low political IQ". We talk about low basketball IQ, like Travis Outlaw - great athlete, NBA skills, no really awful habits (didn't get overweight or snort coke) but could never seem to keep it together, could always be counted on to make dumb mistakes at critical times.

But the tapes were devastating precisely because the underscored his biggest weaknesses. Every pol gaffes. But the concern many had with Romney is that he's an out of touch arrogant rich dude who has no idea how the rest of us live and how we think. And coming right after his ghastly response to the attacks on the Embassies. Where he shot off his mouth without having facts, attacked the people who were under siege, called the President a disgrace and flat out accused him of treason, "siding with those who attacked us". Then when it was clear he had his facts wrong he did not gracefully apologize, he made up more shit and finally boasted that if he was president no one would attack US embassies because of his "resolve". Which I guess Reagan lacked since the Embassy in Lebanon was bombed during the Reagan presidency.

No doubt Mother Jones was holding the vid for an October Surprise and releasing it was kicking a guy when he was down. But already reeling from accusations that his lack of foreign policy experience was on display, now he comes of as, guess what, an arrogant out of touch rich dude who has no idea how the rest of us live and how we think. The video underlined in huge bold lines exactly what people thought was wrong with him as a potential president and showed those worries correct.

Clinton could escape sex scandals and Reagan indictment of aids because, first, unlike Romney, they both had/have very high political IQs, but also because the problems were seen as side issues. Out of touch arrogant rich dude is not a side issue with Romney.