Ronald Reagan speaks out against socialized medicine

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Back in 1961, a private citizen named Ronald Reagan spoke eloquently about the dangers of socialized medicine, and the threat it posed to our freedoms.

 
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Shooter said:
Back in 1961, a private citizen named Ronald Reagan spoke eloquently about the dangers of socialized medicine, and the threat it posed to our freedoms.
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We don't need to hear what actors think about politics. Conservatives have been telling us that for years. Kevin Bacon, Ronald Reagan, Susan Sarandon...shut up and stick to acting. Thanks. ;)
 
Well, if Ronnie Reagan said it in 1961, it must be relevant...

barfo
 
So I take it Shooter is against medicare now?

Seems kind of a stupid statement to make by anyone. Unless you're against social security and medicare.
 
Listen to the speech. Reagan clearly states he favored Social Security and even Medicare. He basically saved Social Security from going broke during his presidency, extending the life of the program for decades at a time when it was near bankrupt.

What he said, that still rings true, is that socialized medicine would mean a blow for Liberty.
 
Does he also speak out against socialized Police force? What about the socialized Fire department?:devilwink:
 
hasoos said:
Does he also speak out against socialized Police force? What about the socialized Fire department?:devilwink:
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This tactic is among my favorites. When you can't debate the specific merits of a specific point, you choose something that appears similar, but isn't at all.

I'd like to play, too. hasoos, are you in favor of nationalized auto care? How about nationlized home repair? homeowners insurance? Renters insurance? Auto insurance? Why is there no public option for these?

This is fun!
 
hasoos said:
Does he also speak out against socialized Police force? What about the socialized Fire department?:devilwink:
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maxiep said:
This tactic is among my favorites. When you can't debate the specific merits of a specific point, you choose something that appears similar, but isn't at all.

I'd like to play, too. hasoos, are you in favor of nationalized auto care? How about nationlized home repair? homeowners insurance? Renters insurance? Auto insurance? Why is there no public option for these?

This is fun!
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To be fair, he asks a valid question, and it looks to me like he did listen to Reagan's speech.

If you want to be a fireman or police officer, you have to qualify by taking written and physical tests. Not everyone who wants to be a fireman can be a fireman.

Being a doctor is similar in that you require training, but once you have your M.D., you can hang up a shingle and start soliciting patients. Free-ish market thing at work. This is not true for firemen.
 
Denny Crane said:
To be fair, he asks a valid question, and it looks to me like he did listen to Reagan's speech.

If you want to be a fireman or police officer, you have to qualify by taking written and physical tests. Not everyone who wants to be a fireman can be a fireman.

Being a doctor is similar in that you require training, but once you have your M.D., you can hang up a shingle and start soliciting patients. Free-ish market thing at work. This is not true for firemen.
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But a good arsonist can make a lot of money...
 
maxiep said:
This tactic is among my favorites. When you can't debate the specific merits of a specific point, you choose something that appears similar, but isn't at all.

I'd like to play, too. hasoos, are you in favor of nationalized auto care? How about nationlized home repair? homeowners insurance? Renters insurance? Auto insurance? Why is there no public option for these?

This is fun!
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Nice leap there. The police and fire departments provide safety to the public. Similarly, nationalized health care would provide medical services to the public. Your examples provide services to private goods. Not quite the same concept.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
But a good arsonist can make a lot of money...
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Reminds me of a funny anecdote.

The ancient Romans had private fire departments. If you paid them your monthly fee, they'd come put out a fire at your place. If you didn't, they'd come and stand around and watch it burn to the ground.

More importantly, if you didn't pay and they needed revenues, they'd come to your place and set fire to it.
 
Shooter and maxiep apparently have no valid arguement here, or maybe like all right-wingers they just don't like to share.
 
maxiep said:
This tactic is among my favorites. When you can't debate the specific merits of a specific point, you choose something that appears similar, but isn't at all.

I'd like to play, too. hasoos, are you in favor of nationalized auto care? How about nationlized home repair? homeowners insurance? Renters insurance? Auto insurance? Why is there no public option for these?

This is fun!
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Are some of these programs being run successfully as nationalized health care is in multiple other countries? Apples are more akin to oranges then they are meteorites.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Are some of these programs being run successfully as nationalized health care is in multiple other countries? Apples are more akin to oranges then they are meteorites.

STOMP
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What works for other countries is meaningless.

Norway nationalized their oil fields and runs every govt. service off the revenues from that. I'd love to see us try to run our govt. off only our oil field revenues.
 
porkchopexpress said:
Nice leap there. The police and fire departments provide safety to the public. Similarly, nationalized health care would provide medical services to the public. Your examples provide services to private goods. Not quite the same concept.
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Wait, I'm "the public" and not an individual? Sweet! As part of the public I want a sex change and to have HUGE tits! Pay up, sucka!
 
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Denny Crane said:
To be fair, he asks a valid question, and it looks to me like he did listen to Reagan's speech.

If you want to be a fireman or police officer, you have to qualify by taking written and physical tests. Not everyone who wants to be a fireman can be a fireman.

Being a doctor is similar in that you require training, but once you have your M.D., you can hang up a shingle and start soliciting patients. Free-ish market thing at work. This is not true for firemen.
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There's a big difference between being a cop or a fireman and a doctor. I don't recall someone spending $125K, four years of school and two years of residency to become a beat cop.

Cops can also become private security. They don't have to work for a municipality.
 
STOMP said:
Are some of these programs being run successfully as nationalized health care is in multiple other countries? Apples are more akin to oranges then they are meteorites.

STOMP
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Every single one of the industries I brought up is run more efficiently and at lower cost than any nationalized health care system. When's the last time your auto repair shop told you there was an 18 month waiting list to get a new shock absorber?
 
maxiep said:
Wait, I'm "the public" and not an individual? Sweet! As part of the public I want a sex change and to have HUGE tits! Pay up, sucka!
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Huge tits, no, but there are valid medical reason why a person may need a sex change. There are a handful of genital birth defects that can lead to a person being raised as the wrong sex. For these people, a sex change isn't the result of one day waking up and saying, 'i want to change my sex." Its because from age 2 on they've identified as a member of the opposite sex and because if it weren't for that birth defect, would have been raised differently.
 
maxiep said:
There's a big difference between being a cop or a fireman and a doctor. I don't recall someone spending $125K, four years of school and two years of residency to become a beat cop.

Cops can also become private security. They don't have to work for a municipality.
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So because doctors go to school, receiving their services should be a privilege only reserved for those who can afford insurance? Which, by the way will ALWAYS exclude a certain portion of our country.
 
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porkchopexpress said:
Huge tits, no, but there are valid medical reason why a person may need a sex change. There are a handful of genital birth defects that can lead to a person being raised as the wrong sex. For these people, a sex change isn't the result of one day waking up and saying, 'i want to change my sex." Its because from age 2 on they've identified as a member of the opposite sex and because if it weren't for that birth defect, would have been raised differently.
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What if somebody has depression issues because they aren't happy with their physical appearance? Lots of women improve mental issues by having a boob job. Should we be paying for that?
 
maxiep said:
Wait, I'm "the public" and not an individual? Sweet! As part of the public I want a sex change and to have HUGE tits! Pay up, sucka!
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Whoa! Are they really saying they will make our collective tits bigger?!?! Now I'm REALLY behind Universal Tities I mean Health Care...same difference.
 
What you call Ronald Reagan "speaking eloquently" about the dangers of socialized medicine, I call Ronald Reagan "saying batshit crazy paranoid things about Medicare".

Ronald Reagan said:
The doctor begins to lose freedom. . . . First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then doctors aren’t equally di vided geographically. So a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him, you can't live in that town. They already have enough doctors. You have to go someplace else. And from here it's only a short step to dictating where he will go. . . . All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.
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Now obviously none of that came to pass. It was, in retrospect, insane. Reagan, to his immense credit, adjusted his ideology to reality and stopped demagoguing against Medicare long before he became president.

So what does all this mean about the people saying similarly unhinged things about healthcare reform today?

SR
 
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