Rondo not the answer

[DaLincolnJones]

I don't see people saying "Let's build a team like the Celtics." I see people saying we should acquire their PG, who happens to be one of the best in the game.

I consider it wise to pursue the best players in the league, when/if the opportunity arises. Don't you?

Ok, you dont see that this year. yet. But look at all the years past. SA wins and all the rage is to be like them etc etc etc every year. NBA teams react rather than become. Fans are the same way.

I dont think of him as one of the best players in the league, or even at his position. His performance over the last few weeks reminds me of how stellar Miles played before his big contract..

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

I agree. Rondo (though a very good player) isn't the answer for the Blazers.

First, he would cost too many assets to acquire.
Second, he has a major hole in his game (shooting) that cannot be covered by our other players.

That's all. Would love to have him if he were free, but we need more talented players and he'd cost us too many.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I agree. Rondo (though a very good player) isn't the answer for the Blazers.

First, he would cost too many assets to acquire.
Second, he has a major hole in his game (shooting) that cannot be covered by our other players.

That's all. Would love to have him if he were free, but we need more talented players and he'd cost us too many.

This.

Also, whomever talks Rondo I would expect Ainge to try to pawn off the elderly Paul Pierce for a full rebulid.

No thanks.

 

[RR7]

Second, he has a major hole in his game (shooting) that cannot be covered by our other players.

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How is it covered in Boston, then? Allen is a great shooter, outside of him, our top shooters(Batum, Matthews, and even babbitt) are better than anything they have. Pierce, Allen and Pietrus were really the only 3 guy s taking 3s on their team. Pietrus shot 33 percent, Pierce 36.

 

[RoyToy]

Rondo not the answer

Hahaha!

 

[magnifier661]

How is it covered in Boston, then? Allen is a great shooter, outside of him, our top shooters(Batum, Matthews, and even babbitt) are better than anything they have. Pierce, Allen and Pietrus were really the only 3 guy s taking 3s on their team. Pietrus shot 33 percent, Pierce 36.

Paul Pierce is a better shooter throughout his career than any of our players per volume, IMO.

 

[RR7]

Paul Pierce is a better shooter throughout his career than any of our players per volume, IMO.

What he did in his career doesn't matter a lot if he can't shoot now. Rondo's 2 biggest apg years, the past two seasons, have coincided with some of Pierce's worst 3 point shooting.
Again, Boston found a way to spread the floor just fine for him.

 

[Masbee]

Is Rondo a good player? Yes.

Is Rondo a great player? I don't think so. He is very good, but not "great".

Rondo is a very good player, who has become overrated because he has been on a good team with other very good players and been in the playoffs a lot and had several very outstanding series. Folks remember those spectacular games and think he is a "great" player.

Rondo is a very good player, who has become overrated because of the cult of the triple double. The triple double is a gimmick stat. By itself, using it to compare very good to great players against each other is worthless.

Rondo is not improving. He was a better player several years ago. Hard to believe, but true.

Rondo is a pain in the ass. He is hard to coach and at times disruptive to the flow of the team. If he was a great player (see, James, LeBron), then, really, you don't give a shit. If his production level is Rondo level, then, I think, it becomes a pretty big negative. On the Celtics you had the big three who are strong personalities who can corral Rondo and are less affected by his crap. On most other teams that won't be the case.

Rondo being a pain in the ass and hard to coach, having a big flaw in his game that has to be worked around, and being not as good as some folks seem to think (thus not unexpendable), has had Boston trying to trade Rondo for years now. They haven't been able to find a deal where they can get equal value to what he provides to the Celtics unique situation. Which is fine. But, if Rondo was all that, why do they keep trying?

Is he a Top 5 Point Guard? Maybe. But, that is the wrong question. The Blazers don't need a Top 5 PG. They need more talent.

If they could get Rondo (talent) as part of a Boston salary dump or for future picks, then sure, get him. Boston won't do that. They big value for Rondo, or they will just keep him as a core piece.

Portland overpaying (Aldridge, or the #6 and #11) doesn't do the team any good.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

if the key to rajon rondo is jon diebler, i say go ahead and bring him over

 

[RoyToy]

Rondo is a very good player, who has become overrated because he has been on a good team with other very good players and been in the playoffs a lot and had several very outstanding series.

What a terrible thing to have done!

 

[RR7]

What are the odds of 6 being a great player? Or 11? Or even a very good player? Probably better odds of one of them than both. And the odds of 1 of the picks ever being as good as Rondo is probably slim. You know Rondo is a very good player.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

hes overrated because he always drops triple doubles and goes deep in the playoffs

 

[Sedatedfork]

Rondo is the best roller skating NBA player in the NBA. He would love Oaks Park.

http://www.maxim.com/gadgets/rondos-roller-skating-obsession

 

[3RA1N1AC]

rondo is so gay, i think he would love portland

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Here ya go, NBA power rankings for point guards for 2012 http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings/regularseason/PG?&start_row=1
It might supprise a few of you.

Four spots above Felton...woot, lets break the bank for him....

Guy is ok, but he is the flavor of the month in here, we can do better

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Here ya go, NBA power rankings for point guards for 2012 http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings/regularseason/PG?&start_row=1
It might supprise a few of you.

Four spots above Felton...woot, lets break the bank for him....

Guy is ok, but he is the flavor of the month in here, we can do better

poop

 

[RR7]

Here ya go, NBA power rankings for point guards for 2012 http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings/regularseason/PG?&start_row=1
It might supprise a few of you.

Four spots above Felton...woot, lets break the bank for him....

Guy is ok, but he is the flavor of the month in here, we can do better

Flavor of the month? Gimme a break.

Also, GTFO with that "ranking" Any list that has Derrick Rose at 30, no. Has Felton ahead of Dragic and Lowry also, why bother upgrading?! TERRIBLE. Why not find a sweet bleacher report article to use as evidence also.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Flavor of the month? Gimme a break.

Also, GTFO with that "ranking" Any list that has Derrick Rose at 30, no. Has Felton ahead of Dragic and Lowry also, why bother upgrading?! TERRIBLE. Why not find a sweet bleacher report article to use as evidence also.

ahyup

i question their formula to say the least

 

[Masbee]

What are the odds of 6 being a great player? Or 11? Or even a very good player? Probably better odds of one of them than both. And the odds of 1 of the picks ever being as good as Rondo is probably slim. You know Rondo is a very good player.

Yes, but we have to TRADE for him.

And unless a player is being dumped on the cheap by a team that is poorly run or dumping overpaid / aging players to enter a rebuild phase, trading for "very good" players is rarely a good strategy.

Trade for a SuperStar.

Or, Trade for a player on the rise. (Rondo was better 3 years ago)

Or, Trade for a final piece.

 

[RR7]

Yes we would have to trade for him. I'm saying if you traded 6 and 11, odds are Rondo will be better than what you could get with both of those picks.

 

[Masbee]

What a terrible thing to have done!

Lots of players have that resume.

Doesn't mean I want any or all of them on the Blazers.

And, I sure as hell don't want the Blazers to "buy" Rondo for a premium price. We just don't the assets to afford him and still have enough left over to build a good team.

 

[Masbee]

Yes we would have to trade for him. I'm saying if you traded 6 and 11, odds are Rondo will be better than what you could get with both of those picks.

It would be those picks (assuming Boston would even accept that as the price) PLUS either Wes Matthews or a sign and trade of Batum for salary match or absorb Rondo's salary and lose most of the cap space, losing the ability to sign any free agents (Rondo, Batum and Hickson cap holds would eat up all but $1 to $3mil in the cap space).

Rondo / ???
??? / Wes
Batum / ???
LaMarcus / Hickson
??? / Pryz/Thomas

Assumes can resign Batum and Hickson for reasonable deals.

That is not a good team.

 

[RR7]

yep, absorb his salary. I'll take a young trio of Aldridge/Rondo/Batum over Aldridge/Batum/and..Lillard and Leonard let's say. Or Barnes and Leonard. Or some other combo.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Yes we would have to trade for him. I'm saying if you traded 6 and 11, odds are Rondo will be better than what you could get with both of those picks.

true that is one take on it

oh and for all the gtfo nay sayers who still think rondo walks on water how about hollinger?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl...n.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=pg

 

[RR7]

It would be those picks (assuming Boston would even accept that as the price) PLUS either Wes Matthews or a sign and trade of Batum for salary match or absorb Rondo's salary and lose most of the cap space, losing the ability to sign any free agents (Rondo, Batum and Hickson cap holds would eat up all but $1 to $3mil in the cap space).

Rondo / ???
??? / Wes
Batum / ???
LaMarcus / Hickson
??? / Pryz/Thomas

Assumes can resign Batum and Hickson for reasonable deals.

That is not a good team.

Am also pretty sure we'd have more than 1-3 million, if the current estimate is maybe 16, and that includes the cap holds of our 2 lotto picks. So take away that 4 million roughly, and add in Rondo's 11, we're closer to 9.

 

[RoyToy]

Lots of players have that resume.

Doesn't mean I want any or all of them on the Blazers.

And, I sure as hell don't want the Blazers to "buy" Rondo for a premium price. We just don't the assets to afford him and still have enough left over to build a good team.

Lots of players raise their game and play outstanding deep in the playoffs?

Not sure I buy that one.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I'd much rather trade up. That should be plan-A.

Robinson/Aldridge/Batum/Dragic* > Rondo/Batum/Aldridge

 

[RR7]

true that is one take on it

oh and for all the gtfo nay sayers who still think rondo walks on water how about hollinger?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl...n.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=pg

Excellent.
Of course, those lists have the Birdman as a better center than Noah. Nene. Marc Gasol. Sundiata Gaines is a better SG than Ray Allen. Mike Dunleavy is better than Luol Deng.

 

[RoyToy]

21pts/11asts/7rebs averages against one of the best defenses in the NBA

If Rondo isn't the answer then I have no idea what you're looking for.

 

[RoyToy]

I'd much rather trade up. That should be plan-A.

Robinson/Aldridge/Batum/Dragic* > Rondo/Batum/Aldridge

Already going back on quality > quantity