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Yeah, I see that. Likely Dame is gone. We likely won't be resigning Grant. Nurkic needs to be moved. Simons might as well stay. Sucks.
I got the overwhelming impression that Cronin tried like hell to move Nurkic at the trade deadline. But nobody would return his calls. The other GM's were probably drinking margaritas while listening to Joe's voicemails.
 
Dude, he’s 33… he’s not gonna play forever, it’s gonna end eventually. Think logically about the situation… we hit the jackpot on a quick turnaround with the lasts 2 drafts. Makes no sense to throw that away to try and compete the next 3 years when there is no realistic path to a title.

Are you even reading the posts you're responding to?

It appears that you're simply spitting out canned responses regardless of what the post you quoted even said.
 
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They were in high demand but what better way to force Dame out of Portland than refuse to trade vets for our picks? Seems obvious to me that Toronto and New Orleans low balled us with the offers and the picks were worth more than what was offered...mainly due to medicals and the cost of risky trades. I think Joe got value with his choices and knows he has to pay Grant and a couple other vets to complete the roster and that rookie salaries are like gold with the new cap.
Great post… and no one ever talks about salary. Ownership knows they won’t have realistic shot at title, so why pay heavy tax. It’s unfortunate we got to this place, but we were gifted a quick rebuild with the last 2 drafts... time to move forward. The future is bright.
 
Dude, he’s 33… he’s not gonna play forever, it’s gonna end eventually. Think logically about the situation… we hit the jackpot on a quick turnaround with the lasts 2 drafts. Makes no sense to throw that away to try and compete the next 3 years when there is no realistic path to a title.
Yeah he did just have the best season of his career. So he'll probably have another season or two or even three at all nba level and will slowly decline from there to just all star level and then a roll player if he wants to be playing like both Kidd and Payton did when he is 40. Kidd won his championship as the starting PG at age 38 and Payton won his getting 24 minutes off of the bench at 37. Dame has the type of game where he could play as a high level starter at 40.

It probably doesn't matter as much though as it once did to me because he will likely be playing those games for another team. Dame's 33. CP3 is 38 and started every game he played last year for a team that had HCA in the first round. Steph is 35 and isn't showing any signs that he's on his way out and won a championship at 34 as the best player on that team.
 
You are being so negative about 3 amazing prospects we just drafted because of Dame… making it about one player over the team… it’s kinda weird. Don’t know how you can watch that press conference and not be impressed and excited about the future.

They are great prospects. We didn't draft them because of Dame. I'm talking about Cronin's dishonesty. He should just come out and say he wants to rebuild and is doing that instead of being sheepish and evasive.

Lamenting over the loss of one of if not the best players in the history of our franchise is not weird. Hard to be excited about starting over and taking a spot in the basement for the next 5-8 years.
 
They were in high demand but what better way to force Dame out of Portland than refuse to trade vets for our picks? Seems obvious to me that Toronto and New Orleans low balled us with the offers and the picks were worth more than what was offered...mainly due to medicals and the cost of risky trades. I think Joe got value with his choices and knows he has to pay Grant and a couple other vets to complete the roster and that rookie salaries are like gold with the new cap. They did due diligence in the trade market with the picks and came up with no trades...there was only one trade during the draft process..that tells you how valuable rookie pay scales are with the new CBA
I don't think we'll be paying Jerami but we will likely get some value for him in a sign and trade. Jerami isn't going to want to be on another rebuilding team, that's not what he came here for. It would make no sense for Jerami to stay and it would make less sense for us to keep a guy at the cost Jerami will demand who doesn't have a ton of winning experience to impart on our young guys.
 
makes me feel better that they didn’t view Murray as some kind of safety choice
I watched an Iowa game, Murray has the goods. I think his game will surprise some folks. Decision making, court awareness, intangibles. He's not a high jumping, stop and pop, 3 point splat master like some other rookies people wanted. Kris's game reflects half court, grind it out, work on the fundamentals department.
 
Honestly I'm sad about it but I've abandoned my sincere hope that Dame would play his whole career here and have a chance to win titles here. Maybe I'll be surprised but Dame and the value that he has just doesn't make sense on the roster that has been built. I don't want to have to watch Dame and Scoot try to blend playing styles that don't seem to work from my perspective and I don't want Dame taking away from the experience our youth need to get or the youth getting experience take away from Dame's chances to win big.

I can both want the best for Dame and the team. It's possible to want both but know it's probably not going to happen together anymore. It sucks, but that looks like the reality at some point.
 
Yeah, I see that. Likely Dame is gone. We likely won't be resigning Grant. Nurkic needs to be moved. Simons might as well stay. Sucks.
It does suck no doubt. But at least,imo at least, we have a better base than plenty of other teams around us who are trying to rebuild themselves. Is Dame gone? At this point I would give that about a 95 percent chance especially as the vibe I got from Cronin is that he is at a loss far as how to improve this team to keep Dame(Could be reading him wrong).

Being a fan for this team for as long as I have, nothing really surprises me. But, I will be surprised if Dame is still here the end of this summer tbh.
 
Dame and Scoot can work together. It works well in Cleveland with Mitchell & Garland. If you say, "but they Have Jarrett & Mobley behind them". Then Joe needs to do his job and go get Ayton, or another big to facilitate the process. If the CBA is this big an issue, in no way will Phoenix be able to add any sort of decent depth around that starting unit without trading Ayton for another 2 starters and depth. No Way in hell. If they can do it, the Blazers can sign everyone.

No excuses Joe. And this "stunt" Scoot's growth thing is trash. If Scoot is all that, then his talent will rise. If it doesn't, then he's just another Ant type. I don't see that. Scoot has moxy. He will do great next to Dame.
 
I watched an Iowa game, Murray has the goods. I think his game will surprise some folks. Decision making, court awareness, intangibles. He's not a high jumping, stop and pop, 3 point splat master like some other rookies people wanted. Kris's game reflects half court, grind it out, work on the fundamentals department.

love it. Trust in schmitz, he hasn’t let us down yet.
 
They were in high demand but what better way to force Dame out of Portland than refuse to trade vets for our picks? Seems obvious to me that Toronto and New Orleans low balled us with the offers and the picks were worth more than what was offered...mainly due to medicals and the cost of risky trades. I think Joe got value with his choices and knows he has to pay Grant and a couple other vets to complete the roster and that rookie salaries are like gold with the new cap. They did due diligence in the trade market with the picks and came up with no trades...there was only one trade during the draft process..that tells you how valuable rookie pay scales are with the new CBA


I get why he chose to draft instead of trade. He's hoping Dame will buy in, he will be able to re-sign Grant, trade Ant/Nurk, and sign some good FA's for a "quick rebuild".

The reality is drafting probably cost us Dame and if so Grant, and a dash to any quick rebuild. It's going to be a long rebuild.
 
One of the reasons Joe seemed a bit uneasy is that early this morning he been fielding crazy offers and maybe a bit of buyers remorse? Anyone here ever have legit buyers remorse?
 
One of the reasons Joe seemed a bit uneasy is that early this morning he been fielding crazy offers and maybe a bit of buyers remorse? Anyone here ever have legit buyers remorse?
Yeah, given his track record of telling Dame he'd do one thing and going the completely different way, Joe could be kind of sad that Dame hasn't spoken with him since the draft and with whatever he has been talking to Goodwin about. Maybe Joe thought Dame would just lie down and take whatever Joe gave him. Or maybe Joe is just an uneasy guy and everything is cool with Dame.
 
Where do you come up with this type of shit. You actually took time and thought that out and then said to yourself,”Yep I’m going to type that out”. Wow
Dudes a troll signed up 10 days ago and has done nothing but trashed dame and given weak trade proposals. All with Dame going to Miami.
 
That he is in Europe and enjoying a vacation. Joe said they talked Tuesday. These guys do have lives also outside of Basketball.
You actually think if Dame was cool right now that his life would get in the way of him letting Joe know what he thinks? You think Dame doesn't have ten fucking minutes to address his future? Do you think that Aaron Goodwin is in constant contact with Joe but not with Dame?

Dame is letting his agent be the go between right now with the team that used to be Dame's team... that's not paranoia and I think it's barely speculative. Dame having not touched base and his agent being in constant contact is about all the writing on the wall that any of us should need but hey maybe I'm way off and Dame actually is too busy on vacation to take a minute and let Joe know that things are still cool.
 
Dame and Scoot can work together. It works well in Cleveland with Mitchell & Garland. If you say, "but they Have Jarrett & Mobley behind them". Then Joe needs to do his job and go get Ayton, or another big to facilitate the process. If the CBA is this big an issue, in no way will Phoenix be able to add any sort of decent depth around that starting unit without trading Ayton for another 2 starters and depth. No Way in hell. If they can do it, the Blazers can sign everyone.

No excuses Joe. And this "stunt" Scoot's growth thing is trash. If Scoot is all that, then his talent will rise. If it doesn't, then he's just another Ant type. I don't see that. Scoot has moxy. He will do great next to Dame.

Dame has to be willing to stay. Cronin called his bluff, let's see if Dame folds.
 
You actually think if Dame was cool right now that his life would get in the way of him letting Joe know what he thinks? You think Dame doesn't have ten fucking minutes to address his future? Do you think that Aaron Goodwin is in constant contact with Joe but not with Dame?

Dame is letting his agent be the go between right now with the team that used to be Dame's team... that's not paranoia and I think it's barely speculative. Dame having not touched base and his agent being in constant contact is about all the writing on the wall that any of us should need but hey maybe I'm way off and Dame actually is too busy on vacation to take a minute and let Joe know that things are still cool.

I mean.... that's basically what he said would happen. He said that there would be a separate conversation if we went ahead and picked a 19 year old rookie.
 
I mean.... that's basically what he said would happen. He said that there would be a separate conversation if we went ahead and picked a 19 year old rookie.

And, we will see if that conversation is had.
 
And, we will see if that conversation is had.

I'm sure the conversation will be had. Not sure what the outcome of that conversation will be.

To be clear, I think the conversation that Dame was referring to was the possibility of leaving Portland. I don't think that conversation has been up to this point. I think Dame was saying that he would finally start to explore that topic. That doesn't mean that he will ultimately go through with it though.
 
You actually think if Dame was cool right now that his life would get in the way of him letting Joe know what he thinks? You think Dame doesn't have ten fucking minutes to address his future? Do you think that Aaron Goodwin is in constant contact with Joe but not with Dame?

Dame is letting his agent be the go between right now with the team that used to be Dame's team... that's not paranoia and I think it's barely speculative. Dame having not touched base and his agent being in constant contact is about all the writing on the wall that any of us should need but hey maybe I'm way off and Dame actually is too busy on vacation to take a minute and let Joe know that things are still cool.
MY guess is Tuesday when Dame and Joe sat down Joe explained the offers he was getting and that they were not good. My guess is they discussed the fact that this could be the way they were going to go and then would be trading some of the youth that they have acquire over the last couples years for some veteran help. So yeah I think Dame knew what was going to happen and they discussion has been had and he knows what the plan is.
 
Where do you come up with this type of shit. You actually took time and thought that out and then said to yourself,”Yep I’m going to type that out”. Wow
Sorry man, sick of hearing this guy complain when we hit jackpot last couple seasons with Sharpe and Scoot… the future is bright. This is a team, not one player.
 
One of the reasons Joe seemed a bit uneasy is that early this morning he been fielding crazy offers and maybe a bit of buyers remorse? Anyone here ever have legit buyers remorse?

The second we drafted Oden. I wanted us to pick him the whole time leading up to the draft. As soon as we made the pick, I had a sinking feeling in my stomach. Not my money or job on the line, but my hopes were.
 
They are great prospects. We didn't draft them because of Dame. I'm talking about Cronin's dishonesty. He should just come out and say he wants to rebuild and is doing that instead of being sheepish and evasive.

Lamenting over the loss of one of if not the best players in the history of our franchise is not weird. Hard to be excited about starting over and taking a spot in the basement for the next 5-8 years.

I don't mean to be argumentative, but us fans and media do not know if Cronin has been dishonest. And honestly, if he has been, that is Dame's issue to deal with. Believe me, the truth eventually always comes to light. With that said, Cronin is probably waiting for Dame to get back in country to "have the discussion." Cronin is not going to publicly announce a shift in direction publicly until he and Dame have "the conversation" face to face. I'm not trying to carry water for Cronin, it just seems as common sense to me in this situation. But I have no idea which way the Blazers will be going. I too am waiting.
 

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