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at this point, anyone picking curry over evans for rookie of the year is crazy. curry has played well enough that if he continues to pick up his play and evans falls off a little bit curry could legitimately be right there but that isn't the case right now.
 
rocketeer said:
at this point, anyone picking curry over evans for rookie of the year is crazy. curry has played well enough that if he continues to pick up his play and evans falls off a little bit curry could legitimately be right there but that isn't the case right now.
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Curry's stats are inflated, and even though both are losing teams, Tyreke has definitely helped improve that team more than Curry has his. Give me Reke if I was starting a new franchise, though Curry would be the better fit for our current team.
 
EGame said:
Curry's stats are inflated, and even though both are losing teams, Tyreke has definitely helped improve that team more than Curry has his. Give me Reke if I was starting a new franchise, though Curry would be the better fit for our current team.
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For the PGs still on their rookie contracts I can't think of anyone I'd rather have next to Roy then SC. His outside shot and PG feel puts him ahead of Westbrook and Rose.

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STOMP said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...okie.rankings-20100309&prov=nba_com&type=lgns

I was sort of amazed the other day when people were talking about Tyreke being a shoe in ROY... I think it's a dead heat and to be determined. It might be interesting to compare and contrast poster's thoughts on Evans and Curry following tomorrow night's game.

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Why is it close?

Over the course of an ENTIRE season - not just the last month or two - Evans has been better: PER of 18.4 vs. 14.6. Win Shares of 4.6 vs. 2.9.

Evans DRtng: 108; ORtng 110
Curry DRtng: 104; ORtng 111

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAC/2010.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2010.html

Curry deserves to be in the conversation, but doesn't deserve to win it as of now.
 
EGame said:
Curry's stats are inflated, and even though both are losing teams, Tyreke has definitely helped improve that team more than Curry has his. Give me Reke if I was starting a new franchise, though Curry would be the better fit for our current team.
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Stats aside, an opposing argument I heard on some national radio show (sorry, can't remember which one) is that Curry makes his teammates better more than Tyreke. It was also suggested that Tyreke may not be well liked by teammates. All I know is he sure didn't gel with Kevin Martin.
 
Masbee said:
Why is it close?

Over the course of an ENTIRE season - not just the last month or two - Evans has been better: PER of 18.4 vs. 14.6. Win Shares of 4.6 vs. 2.9.

Evans DRtng: 108; ORtng 110
Curry DRtng: 104; ORtng 111

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAC/2010.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2010.html

Curry deserves to be in the conversation, but doesn't deserve to win it as of now.
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sure, but since Curry has been consistently outplaying Evens for 2 months now and there is plenty of season left, what do you hang your hat on? How the season started when Curry wasn't getting minutes and Evens was, or how things have gone since and are trending? For the last month here is their head to heads...

Points Percnt FTs 3's 3% Rbs Asst Stl
TE 20.2 47% 4.3 0.4 23% 5.6 6.6 1.4
SC 22.1 46% 3.1 2.5 38% 5.6 8.1 1.6

...and of course Curry was WC Rookie of the month in January.

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Curry is slightly better than Evans for the last couple months, but Evans has been consistent for the entire year.
 
STOMP said:
I just addressed the last two months... why don't you actually counter

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february

curry - 21.5, 7.3, 5.3, 46.7% fg, 34.7% from 3 in 39.5 minutes
evans - 20.1, 7.0, 5.8, 50.5% fg, 29.4% from 3 in 37.8 minutes

you're saying that curry was better there? i don't see how that could be anything but even which would swing slightly into evans' favor for being better defensively.

it basically comes down to evans being far superior to curry the first 2+ months of the season. curry had the advantage in january(though not anywhere near the margin evans had at the beginning) and since then they've been even.

for curry to legitimately be considered rookie of the year he needs to either take his game to another level, have evans fall off, or both. simply continuing his play while evans continues his play doesn't make up any ground for curry.
 
Curry's the better 3pt shooter. I think they're close.
 
rocketeer said:
february

curry - 21.5, 7.3, 5.3, 46.7% fg, 34.7% from 3 in 39.5 minutes
evans - 20.1, 7.0, 5.8, 50.5% fg, 29.4% from 3 in 37.8 minutes
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not telling the reader what the numbers represent (specifically 2nd & 3rd categories) isn't helpful in getting your point across
you're saying that curry was better there? i don't see how that could be anything but even which would swing slightly into evans' favor for being better defensively.
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thats a subjective opinion at best. Mine is they're both decent on D... a push. I don't put much stock in the defensive stats for anyone... they're pretty shaky IMO
it basically comes down to evans being far superior to curry the first 2+ months of the season. curry had the advantage in january(though not anywhere near the margin evans had at the beginning) and since then they've been even.
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did you bother to look at the last month (that includes part of March) stats I posted? Those were not even... so like I've contended all along he's been better for the last two months. Isn't that the case that you asked to be laid out? :nerd:

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...okie.rankings-20100309&prov=nba_com&type=lgns

I was sort of amazed the other day when people were talking about Tyreke being a shoe in ROY... I think it's a dead heat and to be determined. It might be interesting to compare and contrast poster's thoughts on Evans and Curry following tomorrow night's game.

STOMP
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What really struck me about those rankings, was that only 4 of the top 10 were lotto picks.

This was either a really deep draft....or there were a lot of mistakes made.

(I could point out how many of those guys were drafted after Claver....but that would be piling on :devilwink:)
 
STOMP said:
not telling the reader what the numbers represent (specifically 2nd & 3rd categories) isn't helpful in getting your point across
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i didn't realize it was hard to figure out. assists first and then rebounds.

thats a subjective opinion at best. Mine is they're both decent on D... a push. I don't put much stock in the defensive stats for anyone... they're pretty shaky IMO
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i guess. opponent PER at both guard positions shows evans to be better and they are on comparably terrible defensive teams.

did you bother to look at the last month (that includes part of March) stats I posted? Those were not even... so like I've contended all along he's been better for the last two months. Isn't that the case that you asked to be laid out? :nerd:
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yep. i did. you showed me stats for the last month to say he was better for the last two months. curry was better in january. since then they've been equal.
 
zagsfan20 said:
Curry would be the ideal PG to put next to Roy.
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I was hoping the warriors would keep him coming off the bench so that if bayless didn't work out this year we could make a decent offer for him in the summer. No way thats happening now.
 
STOMP said:
sure, but since Curry has been consistently outplaying Evens for 2 months now and there is plenty of season left, what do you hang your hat on? How the season started when Curry wasn't getting minutes and Evens was, or how things have gone since and are trending? For the last month here is their head to heads...

Points Percnt FTs 3's 3% Rbs Asst Stl
TE 20.2 47% 4.3 0.4 23% 5.6 6.6 1.4
SC 22.1 46% 3.1 2.5 38% 5.6 8.1 1.6

...and of course Curry was WC Rookie of the month in January.

STOMP
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The numbers are cute and all - but in my post I tried (in vain) to save you the trouble.

I will restate - it is the Rookie of the YEAR award.

Curry's stats do not compare over the ENTIRE season so far.

It is immaterial how well Curry has been playing. He wasn't getting minutes/playing well early in the season - torpedoing his shot at ROY. Too bad.
 
Masbee said:
The numbers are cute and all - but in my post I tried (in vain) to save you the trouble.

I will restate - it is the Rookie of the YEAR award.

Curry's stats do not compare over the ENTIRE season so far.

It is immaterial how well Curry has been playing. He wasn't getting minutes/playing well early in the season - torpedoing his shot at ROY. Too bad.
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Boy if this isn't a classic example of the old... you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink saying... I find your smugness here pretty funny as it's you who are completely missing the point... the season isn't over today by a long shot

Curry has been trending up while Evans has leaking a little air for some time now. If these trends continue at their current pace over the last couple months of the season, whatever seasonal statistical advantage Evans held will be gone. An example of his struggles that the Kings announcers detailed last night is that Evans has developed a case of the yips at the line... 56% over his last 10 games. That pretty much sucks don't you think? How about his 26% from deep? Curry already holds advantages in TS% and eFG% over Evans. With Monta hurting and half his team out for the year, it would be reasonable to expect that SC's usage % will continue to climb approaching Evans's 1/4 territory... his stats should continue to build because of that. Do you really think hype driven sportswriters don't care about how guys are trending/finishing the season choosing instead to heavily weight the early season results?

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=1&p1=curryst01&y1=2010&p2=evansty01&y2=2010

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noknobs said:
Stats aside, an opposing argument I heard on some national radio show (sorry, can't remember which one) is that Curry makes his teammates better more than Tyreke. It was also suggested that Tyreke may not be well liked by teammates. All I know is he sure didn't gel with Kevin Martin.
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Well that maybe true about Curry making his teammates better, but I could care less whether Tyreke and Martin gelled. Martin could not gel with anyone on the Kings team while he was there and one of the reason they were so bad. I remember when Martin went out with the broken hand I believe this year and the Kings were all of a sudden putting a string of wins together with Tyreke leading the team (which at that time were becoming a surprise along with the Thunder and Grizzlies). Of course, they started to fall off the map and losing more and then lost even much more when Martin came back because the dude doesn't make anyone better other than himself. Tyreke is a little more of a willing passer and I don't have APG stats, but I am willing to bet Tyreke has at least 2 APG more than Martin. There was a reason they traded Martin to the Kings for Landry and not Tyreke (other than the fact Martin seems a little injury prone).

So IMO, while Curry has been solid and really stepped up late, his stats to me are still inflated since he playing the ever so wonderful Nellie ball, but I give him credit for being as good as he has been. To me Tyreke has been playing better and if there was any indication on how the Kings have played all year, they don't run a whole lot, they are aa half court team like us (for the most part).
 
EGame- I think noknobs might have been referring to a little dust up Tyreke recently had with Andres Nocioni during a game. He was yelling at him during a time out over his shot selection which could be perceived as bad form for a 1st year guy. Reportedly the next day he went on local sports talk and profusely apologized to AN saying he was out of line. If this was what was being referenced I doubt it's a big deal. Moreover I think acknowledging a mistake shows some maturity on TE's part

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STOMP said:
Curry has been trending up while Evans has leaking a little air for some time now. If these trends continue at their current pace over the last couple months of the season, whatever seasonal statistical advantage Evans held will be gone.
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sorry, but no, evans has not been leaking air. his february numbers were better than his season averages. at their current pace, the season ends with evans still having a decent advantage.
 
Weren't the Blazers pretty interested in Steph this summer? Man, if we could pry him away from there, I'd be happy. Rudy would like San Francisco.
 
rocketeer said:
i didn't realize it was hard to figure out. assists first and then rebounds.
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sorry that I'm so difficult that I'd politely ask for you to identify what the numbers you're relaying reference. Though I'd figured it out with some math, I figured you might want others to be able to easily grasp what you're talking about
i guess. opponent PER at both guard positions shows evans to be better and they are on comparably terrible defensive teams.
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what part of..."I don't put much stock in the defensive stats for anyone... they're pretty shaky IMO"... is so unclear that you'd belabor this? Defensive stats don't relay what % of the time zone D is being employed or the umpteen defensive switches that occur... I find them to be a very poor reflection of individual performance
yep. i did. you showed me stats for the last month to say he was better for the last two months. curry was better in january. since then they've been equal.
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sorry no. The stats I relayed for the last month (2/10-3/9) were not equal... they're pretty clearly in Curry's favor. Higher points & assists, much better TS% and eFG%, and comparable in everything else... thats been the overall case for these two guys in 2010. I didn't feel the need to relay January as dude won the Rookie of the Month honor.

I do see that Evans had his first triple double tonight in a win though and am looking forward to watching the W's matchup tomorrow. There is a lot of season left and I could really care less who eventually wins the honor... but I do think it's pretty neck and neck

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