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audienorris said:
Rookie Team Roster
Player (Team) Position Height Weight School/Country
Michael Beasley (Heat) F 6-9 245 Kansas State
Rudy Fernandez (Trail Blazers) G-F 6-6 185 Spain
Marc Gasol (Grizzlies) C 7-1 265 Spain
Eric Gordon (Clippers) G 6-3 222 Indiana
Brook Lopez (Nets) C 7-0 260 Stanford
O.J. Mayo (Grizzlies) G 6-4 210 USC
Greg Oden (Trail Blazers) C 7-0 285 Ohio State
Derrick Rose (Bulls) G 6-3 190 Memphis
Russell Westbrook (Thunder) G 6-3 187 UCLA


Sophomore Team roster
Player (Team) Position Height Weight School/Country
Aaron Brooks (Rockets) G 6-0 161 Oregon
Wilson Chandler (Knicks) F 6-8 220 DePaul
Kevin Durant (Thunder) G-F 6-9 215 Texas
Jeff Green (Thunder) F 6-9 235 Georgetown
Al Horford (Hawks) F-C 6-10 245 Florida
Luis Scola (Rockets) F-C 6-9 245 Argentina
Al Thornton (Clippers) F 6-8 220 Florida State
Rodney Stuckey (Pistons) G 6-5 205 Eastern Washington
Thaddeus Young (Sixers) F 6-8 220 Georgia Tech
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Do you have a link to this info. Courtside was saying last night Rudy didn't make it.
 
Our two "rookies" should actually be on the sophomore team.
 
Guard dominated? True, but that didn't stop Lee (2007), Anthony (2005), Stoudamire (2004) and Brand (2000) from winning Rookie Game MVP. So that's 4 front-court MVPs in the last 9 years.
 
Cool, I didn't expect both Rudy and Greg to make it. I thought one (probably Rudy) would be left out. Great news! It's gonna be an exciting game. :)
 
If Oden fouls out of this game I'll be really pissed!
 
At the risk of getting flamed, I would have to say Love deserves to be on the team as much as Oden. GO has missed too much time and had too many truly awful games.
 
It is interesting that they picked three centers and a 3/4 tweener, rather than give one of the center spots to Love. Assistant coaches picked the team, so it probably reflects who they would like to see in the game. Love isn't exactly a highlight reel kind of guy (although he does have some nice ones now and then).
 
Reep said:
It is interesting that they picked three centers and a 3/4 tweener, rather than give one of the center spots to Love. Assistant coaches picked the team, so it probably reflects who they would like to see in the game. Love isn't exactly a highlight reel kind of guy (although he does have some nice ones now and then).
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Don't forget his outlet passes! Jason Kidd once said that Love taught him all he knows about passing the ball.
 
axs88 said:
Guard dominated? True, but that didn't stop Lee (2007), Anthony (2005), Stoudamire (2004) and Brand (2000) from winning Rookie Game MVP. So that's 4 front-court MVPs in the last 9 years.
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See I told you 5 out of the last 9 years a guard has won the MVP ;)
 
sabas4mvp said:
Don't forget his outlet passes! Jason Kidd once said that Love taught him all he knows about passing the ball.
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Maybe they were afraid Love would injure a teammate, since he is likely to hit one with a Love Lob (since all of them will be cherry picking).
 
Nikolokolus said:
Two Blazers in the game for the second straight year. I wonder if that's ever happened for another team?

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Duh! I think I just answered my own question.

The Sonics/Thunder have had more (of course they are recycling more players than we are)

Durant and Jeff Green last year

and Now Durant, Green and Westbrook
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Also the Griz have Gasol and Mayo this year . . . if the griz counts as a legit team.
 
Are Stuckey and Brooks expected to pay about 30 minutes each? Not that Brooks can't run around for 48 minutes, but the sophomores could really use another guard...
 
Reep said:
It is interesting that they picked three centers and a 3/4 tweener, rather than give one of the center spots to Love. Assistant coaches picked the team, so it probably reflects who they would like to see in the game. Love isn't exactly a highlight reel kind of guy (although he does have some nice ones now and then).
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He still isn't good enough to start nor play half of the game for the Timberwolves... and he shoots less than 44% from the field. I know it's gotta be difficult being stuck behind Craig Smith, but still.

He's been a great rebounder, but that's about it.

Ed O.
 
Where is Love?
Does he fall from skies above?
Is he underneath the willow tree that I've been dreaming of?
Who can say where he may hide?
Must I travel far and wide?
Til I am beside the someone who I can mean something to?
Where? Where is Love?
 
Ed O said:
He still isn't good enough to start nor play half of the game for the Timberwolves... and he shoots less than 44% from the field. I know it's gotta be difficult being stuck behind Craig Smith, but still.

He's been a great rebounder, but that's about it.

Ed O.
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He may not start, but he plays as many minutes as Greg Oden. Prior to tonight's game:

Oden: 23.3 MPG, 8.8 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 0.7 APG, 0.5 STG, 1.1 BKG, 1.5 TOG, 3.8 PFG. 0.557 FG%, 17.3 PER
Love: 23.0 MPG, 8.8 RPG, 8.4 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.4 STG , 0.6 BKG, 1.5 TOG, 2.3 FPG, 0.438 FG%, 17.0 PER

That's about as close as two players can get statistically. Oden shoots a higher FG% and gets more blocks, but commits more fouls. Love is a better rebounder and a better passer, but his FG% is low for a big man. He's a better FT shooter than Oden, so their TS% are closer than their FG%, but Oden still wins by a fair margin.

I think it really came down to two things. Oden is Oden - a highly hyped former No. 1 overall pick. And he's playing on a winning team. Love is equally productive, but plays on a losing team and doesn't get as many highlight film dunks or blocks. Let's face it. The game is for the fans and most fans would rather see Oden play than Love. But, that doesn't mean Love's stats are inferior to Oden's.

As far as not starting... Ironically, earlier in the season Oden was coming off the bench and Love was starting. Now that's reversed. Doesn't mean anything to me. In terms of total production, they are about as close as you can get. I agree with the selection of Oden, but I can also see why Timerwolves fan might think Love got shafted.

BNM
 
BNM, there is more to defense than simply blocks. They are not statistically measured, but Oden, in spite of his fouls, has been a much better and consistent defensive force than Love. Love will always be a defensive liability due to his shorter stature and average athleticism. Oden, on the other hand, is already a solid defensive post presence - IMHO far superior to Love - and will only get better.
 
Boob-No-More said:
He may not start, but he plays as many minutes as Greg Oden. Prior to tonight's game:

Oden: 23.3 MPG, 8.8 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 0.7 APG, 0.5 STG, 1.1 BKG, 1.5 TOG, 3.8 PFG. 0.557 FG%, 17.3 PER
Love: 23.0 MPG, 8.8 RPG, 8.4 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.4 STG , 0.6 BKG, 1.5 TOG, 2.3 FPG, 0.438 FG%, 17.0 PER

That's about as close as two players can get statistically. Oden shoots a higher FG% and gets more blocks, but commits more fouls. Love is a better rebounder and a better passer, but his FG% is low for a big man. He's a better FT shooter than Oden, so their TS% are closer than their FG%, but Oden still wins by a fair margin.

I think it really came down to two things. Oden is Oden - a highly hyped former No. 1 overall pick. And he's playing on a winning team. Love is equally productive, but plays on a losing team and doesn't get as many highlight film dunks or blocks. Let's face it. The game is for the fans and most fans would rather see Oden play than Love. But, that doesn't mean Love's stats are inferior to Oden's.

As far as not starting... Ironically, earlier in the season Oden was coming off the bench and Love was starting. Now that's reversed. Doesn't mean anything to me. In terms of total production, they are about as close as you can get. I agree with the selection of Oden, but I can also see why Timerwolves fan might think Love got shafted.

BNM
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Does he have a better case over Marc Gasol? Gasol gets more minutes, 30.1 per game, but when you figure their per minute averages, they look fairly close to me, with the biggest difference being Love is the far better rebounder, Gasol get slightly less rebounds than Oden in more minutes. Gasol also has a PER of 15.22 to Love's 17.
 
Boob-No-More said:
As far as not starting... Ironically, earlier in the season Oden was coming off the bench and Love was starting. Now that's reversed. Doesn't mean anything to me. In terms of total production, they are about as close as you can get. I agree with the selection of Oden, but I can also see why Timerwolves fan might think Love got shafted.
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I can see why they might think that, but Oden is starting on a good team ahead of a good player. Love is sitting on the bench on a bad team behind a not-so-good player.

I don't think Love did NOT deserve a spot, but I think other players deserved it more.

Ed O.
 
BengalDuck said:
BNM, there is more to defense than simply blocks. They are not statistically measured, but Oden, in spite of his fouls, has been a much better and consistent defensive force than Love. Love will always be a defensive liability due to his shorter stature and average athleticism. Oden, on the other hand, is already a solid defensive post presence - IMHO far superior to Love - and will only get better.
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Yes, because we all know everyone comes to All-Star weekend hoping to see some good lock-down defense.

Seriously, Oden has a defensive rating of 106 and Love's is 107 - not that it matters in this case. Love plays the 4, and while he is more athletic than most give him credit for (go back and look at his pre-draft numbers), the main thing he has going for him is his wide body and strength. He can keep other power forwards off the blocks and use his low center of gravity to push them away from the basket. He'll never be a great defender, but for a big white doughboy, he's not that bad - given the position he plays.

As I said in my first post, I agree with the selection of Oden, but I can also see the case for Love.

BNM
 
Ed O said:
I can see why they might think that, but Oden is starting on a good team ahead of a good player. Love is sitting on the bench on a bad team behind a not-so-good player.
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That's a coach's decision - not one I'm sure I agree with, as Love is clearly a better player already and has a brighter future than Craig Smith. But, whatever the reason, it seems to be working as the Timberwolves are tied with the Spurs for the best record in the entire league for the month of January.

I suspect McHale is bringing the rookie off the bench to take some pressure off him and let him adjust to the NBA game before making him a starter. But long term, there's not doubt in my mind Love will be starting and Craig Smith backing him up.

BNM
 
HCP you need to give Rice shit for leaving Rudy off his team.
 
Maybe you could make a case for Love over Eric Gordon. Gordon has come into his own as of late, but he's just a volume shooter and not very efficient at it yet - 13.7 PER.
 
Boob-No-More said:
That's a coach's decision - not one I'm sure I agree with, as Love is clearly a better player already and has a brighter future than Craig Smith. But, whatever the reason, it seems to be working as the Timberwolves are tied with the Spurs for the best record in the entire league for the month of January.

I suspect McHale is bringing the rookie off the bench to take some pressure off him and let him adjust to the NBA game before making him a starter. But long term, there's not doubt in my mind Love will be starting and Craig Smith backing him up.

BNM
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That I would have to agree with....it has nothing to do with starting off a game on the bench...it is very apparent that probably soon after the All-Star game Love will be plugged into the starting slot and Smith will be backing him up.

The thing is, I don't see why there is even an argument over Oden and Love....It was a given that Oden would be there. My issue is why Love isn't in over Gasol!!! That's the one I have questions about. Thier both on "overall" lottery losing teams...but Minnesota has been one of the top teams to start off the new year (and they have played some good teams) and Love is has been a major factor in that. He has managed a double double in 9 out of the 13 games in January!!! Even just last night he contributed 17pts 10rbs and 4asst in just 22 minutes!!! I honestly can't see how Gasol got in over Love. I really don't see it!

Besides can you imagine how fun it would be to see Love tossing those gorgeous outlet passes for wide open dunks...it's a shame we'll all miss that...
 
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