Roy: All NBA Second Team

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My bold prediction is that Roy won't even make the All-NBA 3rd team. This will not be because he doesn't deserve it, but because of where he plays. It took rest of the world a long time to recognize that Clyde was a top tier player and he was famous from college. I think for guards it will be the following:
1st Team: Wade, Bryant
2nd Team: Paul, Williams
3rd Team: Parker, Rondo

Of course the above is total bullshit, but Portland fans tend to forget just how little the rest of the nation gives one shit about what happens here. Portland players will not get any respect until they make a ton of noise in the playoffs. Until then expect them to overlooked.
 
STOMP said:
Paul should make the 1st team. Dude has had as good a year individually as anyone in the league and certainly better then Kobe. If it's about team success in the voters eyes, the Hornets have a much better record then Wade's Heat.

Parker has had an outstanding year as well. I could see him making the 2nd team maybe bumping Roy. Regardless, making any All NBA team is a tremendous achievement

STOMP
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i would personally put paul and wade on the first team and kobe would drop to the second team. but i don't expect that to happen.
 
LittleAlex said:
My bold prediction is that Roy won't even make the All-NBA 3rd team. This will not be because he doesn't deserve it, but because of where he plays. It took rest of the world a long time to recognize that Clyde was a top tier player and he was famous from college. I think for guards it will be the following:
1st Team: Wade, Bryant
2nd Team: Paul, Williams
3rd Team: Parker, Rondo

Of course the above is total bullshit, but Portland fans tend to forget just how little the rest of the nation gives one shit about what happens here. Portland players will not get any respect until they make a ton of noise in the playoffs. Until then expect them to overlooked.
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I don't necessarily disagree that Portland doesn't get the attention it deserves...but then why do you make that argument when Deron Williams is on your list of 2nd team guards? Salt Lake City gets respect but we don't? I don't think that's true.
 
Clyde played in the land of no internet and no widespread cable TV.

Things are different. Nobdy gives a shit about Portland, no, but Roy is a star in the league.
 
BengalDuck said:
Clyde played in the land of no internet and no widespread cable TV.

Things are different. Nobdy gives a shit about Portland, no, but Roy is a star in the league.
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ESPN and TNT both had the same take on Roy: "The best player you've never seen play".

Isn't it the coaches that select the All-NBA teams? If so, I think there's enough respect for Brandon that he'll end up in the appropriate slot.
 
Cake said:
I don't necessarily disagree that Portland doesn't get the attention it deserves...but then why do you make that argument when Deron Williams is on your list of 2nd team guards? Salt Lake City gets respect but we don't? I don't think that's true.
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Utah has made noise in the playoffs the last 3 years while Portland didn't. That game D-Will more exposure then any Portland has with the East Coast media. When Portland was going to the WFC their players got more national attention. That is what it will take for this group of players to receive any real accolades.

Also, Utah is in the Mountain Time Zone, so their home games start 1 hour earlier then Portland games, making it more likely for people on the East Coast to have seen them play.

Portland fights two battles. One, they are a very small market team. Two, they are in the Pacific Time Zone, which means less viewers east of the Rockies. It sucks, but there is nothing to be done about it.
 
maxiep said:
ESPN and TNT both had the same take on Roy: "The best player you've never seen play".

Isn't it the coaches that select the All-NBA teams? If so, I think there's enough respect for Brandon that he'll end up in the appropriate slot.
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I thought it was a media award. That is what I based by guesses on. If it is voted on by coaches then that list would look very different.
 
Both Deron Williams and Tony Parker missed significant portions of the season with injuries. Roy has played all but a handful of games and the Blazers have as good or better record.

Roy was voted an all star by the coaches. Their teams play against him.

Bryant and Wade have first team sewed up. I see 2nd team as Chris Paul & Brandon Roy. 3rd team as Harris (they won't want just one Eastern Conference guy) and Chauncey Billups - at least, that would be my vote.
 
I think the guards will be

Kobe
Wade

Paul
Parker

Williams
and one of Harris, Roy, Allen, Johnson, Billups, Rondo
 
I'd select:

First Team: Paul and Wade
Second Team: Kobe and Roy
Third Team: Parker and Williams

I expect it to be:

First Team: Wade and Kobe
Second Team: Paul and Williams
Third Team: Parker and Roy
 
Honestly, I dont like the Blazers, but I love Brandon Roy. This dude deserves atleast 2nd team for the way he has carried this team.
 
Minstrel said:
I'd select:

First Team: Paul and Wade
Second Team: Kobe and Roy
Third Team: Parker and Williams

I expect it to be:

First Team: Wade and Kobe
Second Team: Paul and Williams
Third Team: Parker and Roy
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I don't understand why Deron Williams gets so much hype.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't understand why Deron Williams gets so much hype.
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He is really good. But I think he's always been connected with Paul, as though they're equivalent stars taken together in the draft, when Deron is nowhere near as good as Paul. For a while, Carmelo was a bit overrated because people treated him as an equivalent talent to LeBron. That's worn off, finally.

I think Williams is a somewhat equivalent talent to Roy, but Roy is simply having a significantly better year, IMO, and Williams has missed a lot more time. So Roy deserves second team this season.
 
Minstrel said:
He is really good. But I think he's always been connected with Paul, as though they're equivalent stars taken together in the draft, when Deron is nowhere near as good as Paul. For a while, Carmelo was a bit overrated because people treated him as an equivalent talent to LeBron. That's worn off, finally.

I think Williams is a somewhat equivalent talent to Roy, but Roy is simply having a significantly better year, IMO, and Williams has missed a lot more time. So Roy deserves second team this season.
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But that's what I'm talking about... When you hear the media talk about Deron Williams, you'd think he was the two-time All-Star with the team tied for third place. He is good, but what has he accomplished?
 
Natebishop3 said:
But that's what I'm talking about... When you hear the media talk about Deron Williams, you'd think he was the two-time All-Star with the team tied for third place. He is good, but what has he accomplished?
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Let's be fair - he was the best player on a team that went to the WCF in his 2nd year... Granted - they were lucky that Dallas did not match with GSW at all that year - so they managed to get out of the 2nd round - but still.

Deron is a great player. I do think, however, that Roy will separate himself from Deron as time goes on. He just seems to have a killer instinct to control the pace of the game that Deron is not always able to exhibit. Not sure if it is because of Utah's very precise system or because he has another big star on his team in Boozer - so he does not carry the same weight around the organization - but Roy seems to have something where he can more often take a game over and will the outcome to his liking.

I do think that Roy deserves 2nd team All-NBA over Deron this year - but Deron is a great player.
 
Roy is better than Wade. No chance you'd trade Roy for Wade.

Here's what I think the teams should be, based on position.

PG-Paul
SG- Bryant
C- Howard
PF- Nowitski
SF- James


2nd Team

PG- Parker
SG- Roy
C- Ming
PF- Duncan
SF- Danny Granger
 
rocketeer said:
now if you could only tell that to ed o.
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And most other non-Blazers fans. Which was one of the points I was making in the other thread.

Was he being mentioned as a second-team All-NBA selection? No. Parker and DWilliams were, though.

Why is that? Are the guys on the broadcast ignorant? Maybe. Are they atypical in that they don't recognize what Blazers fans and, according to some Blazers fans, so many others already see? Perhaps.

I doubt it, however.

As for whether Roy makes second team all-NBA... I hope he does. He certainly would be a good choice. I will stand by the same reasoning I used in the other thread, though: the odds of him beating out every other guard except for Wade/Kobe/Paul just aren't good. Parker might get props. Johnson might. DWilliams.

We'll see.

Ed O.
 
Sinobas said:
Roy is better than Wade. No chance you'd trade Roy for Wade.

Here's what I think the teams should be, based on position.

PG-Paul
SG- Bryant
C- Howard
PF- Nowitski
SF- James


2nd Team

PG- Parker
SG- Roy
C- Ming
PF- Duncan
SF- Danny Granger
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I wouldn't make the trade, but only because there is no way in hell Wade would stay in Portland. He wants to be a Global Icon and that won't happen in a Blazer Uni.
 
LittleAlex said:
I wouldn't make the trade, but only because there is no way in hell Wade would stay in Portland. He wants to be a Global Icon and that won't happen in a Blazer Uni.
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That won't happen regardless of which uniform he is wearing.
 
Ed O said:
And most other non-Blazers fans. Which was one of the points I was making in the other thread.

Ed O.
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back over at bbb (where i'm sure we can agree there aren't many blazer fans anymore) they had a thread regarding the top 5 players in the league other than lebron, wade, kobe, paul, and dwight. 10 people actually posted lists of their next best 5 players(not including me and bengalduck since we both post here and obviously like the blazers). 8 of those 10 posters chose roy among their top 10 players. not exactly a large sample size or anything, but it is something.
 
LittleAlex said:
I wouldn't make the trade, but only because there is no way in hell Wade would stay in Portland. He wants to be a Global Icon and that won't happen in a Blazer Uni.
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While it could be easily argued that Wade has been a global icon for a few years now, thats LeBrons stated goal. Not that I really care, but I've never heard that marketing stuff from Wade

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
While it could be easily argued that Wade has been a global icon for a few years now, thats LeBrons stated goal. Not that I really care, but I've never heard that marketing stuff from Wade

STOMP
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I saw it in a story done on him by ESPN in 2006. He wanted the same level of recognition as LeBron. I would say he is close now, but in order to get there he needs to stay on the East Coast or go to LA. Portland would not be an option.
 
Roy is clearly better than Wade or the anal-rapist, and should be on the first team.
 
ehizzy3 said:
lol homers :)
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Why would it be homerish to assume that Wade would split town as soon as he could and therefore would be a bad trade option? I didn't say anything about ability. I believe Wade is better then Roy right now, but not by a huge margin. I have no idea what the future holds for either player. However, I am pretty sure Roy likes being in Portland and I am very sure Wade would hate it. Better a happy Roy then a pissed Wade.
 
MARIS61 said:
Roy is clearly better than Wade or the anal-rapist, and should be on the first team.
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Um, no.

You could make an argument that Roy has played very close to as well or equal to Kobe. Wade has been a notch above both this year, IMO... He has carried that Heat team. "Clearly better" play by Roy is either seen through Blazer-colored glasses, or by a fan who hasn't seen any Heat or Laker games. Wade trails only Lebron in PER, which is the second best ratingever in the modern era (after Jordan).

Roy is great, but he is not quite there.
 
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