Roy and Paul can they co-exist? Flounder or flourish?

[Idog1976]

While I agree Brandon is great in the clutch, you're wrong about him being better than LeBron in the clutch. James beats Roy in nearly every category of clutch play.

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

Lastly, with a lineup of (presumably) Paul/Matthews/Melo/LMA/Oden, how often do you think games would be close enough that you have to worry about clutch play? I'd say not very often, and if they are, CP3 (statistically speaking) is more clutch than Roy.

WOW, Roy REALLY dropped off last year. The year before he was on par with Kobe and LeBron. Last season, especially the second half is kind of hazy at best, my Dad was dying from December to April so I missed most all of that.

 

[Idog1976]

WOW, Roy REALLY dropped off last year. The year before he was on par with Kobe and LeBron. Last season, especially the second half is kind of hazy at best, my Dad was dying from December to April so I missed most all of that.

Just checked and I was dead wrong. Wow, I SWORE I read some stat site showing they were very similar during 08/09. Damn. well I was dead wrong about that. Worse yet Anthony beats Roy in both situations. Hmm, why did I think that. Crap. Anyways fuck Melo'.

 

[Idog1976]

what's the rule on trades? If it's on TV, it's dead?

Silence!!!! I'm good for a few more today, but not if you ruin my favorite sports porn fantasy!!!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Back to the original topic....

IMHO they would *founder* at first, but they would work it out eventually. I really want to believe Roy is not the kind of player who would sabotage the team for his own agenda.

 

[Ed O]

Back to the original topic....

IMHO they would *founder* at first, but they would work it out eventually.

Disagreed. Total flounder.



Ed O.

 

[BGrantFan]

I find it odd that some of the same peopole worried about Roy needing the ball seemingly don't have that concern with Anthony. Roy is roughly ~26% in usage, while Anthony was ~33% last year, and with less assists than Roy.

Roy seems like a perfect compliment to Paul. People bitching about ISOs must not watch Denver play too often, and how they use Anthony on offense.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I find it odd that some of the same peopole worried about Roy needing the ball seemingly don't have that concern with Anthony. Roy is roughly ~26% in usage, while Anthony was ~33% last year, and with less assists than Roy.

Roy seems like a perfect compliment to Paul. People bitching about ISOs must not watch Denver play too often, and how they use Anthony on offense.

Agreed. I see no reason that CP3/Melo would be more effective than CP3/Roy.

 

[Ed O]

Agreed. I see no reason that CP3/Melo would be more effective than CP3/Roy.

I don't agree (for reals this time... no fish picture involved).

Anthony and Roy are about the same level of value as players, but part of Roy's value comes from his ability to create for other people. On a team with CP, those opportunities are going to go down because Paul has the ball in his hands so much. Carmelo is basically only worth anything because of his ability to score, and that will not be impacted by Chris Paul.

Ed O.

 

[BGrantFan]

I don't agree (for reals this time... no fish picture involved).

Anthony and Roy are about the same level of value as players, but part of Roy's value comes from his ability to create for other people. On a team with CP, those opportunities are going to go down because Paul has the ball in his hands so much. Carmelo is basically only worth anything because of his ability to score, and that will not be impacted by Chris Paul.

Ed O.

Given the right opportunity, Roy could average in the high 20s. Plus, Anthony won't have the ball as much as he does in Denver, making him of less value due to his horrific defense. I'd rather have Bautm, or even Matthews, and keep Roy.

 

[Ed O]

Given the right opportunity, Roy could average in the high 20s. Plus, Anthony won't have the ball as much as he does in Denver, making him of less value due to his horrific defense. I'd rather have Bautm, or even Matthews, and keep Roy.

You might be right, but I still think that Anthony is a superior scorer to Roy and I would bet that most people would agree with me.

Ed O.

 

[BGrantFan]

You might be right, but I still think that Anthony is a superior scorer to Roy and I would bet that most people would agree with me.

Ed O.

I'm not sure why that matters, but I feel Roy is the more complete offensive player, and would work better as a 1A or solid 2 than Anthony.

 

[shamelessblazer]

I think if it happened you'd be looking at them playing together 24 minutes and wearing out defenses, and 12 minutes by themselves each where they get to just dominate.

Each half:
0-6: Paul/Roy
6-12: Paul/Rudy
0-6: Roy/Rudy
6-12: Paul/Roy

And yes I think if we were to get Paul, Rudy would look a hell of a lot better.
Roy - 36, Paul - 36, Rudy - 24?

 

[Idog1976]

You might be right, but I still think that Anthony is a superior scorer to Roy and I would bet that most people would agree with me.

Ed O.

Well yeah, Anthony is definitely an amazing even transcendent scorer. I question his BBIQ compared to Roy and almost every other aspect of the game besides scoring goes to Roy in my book. Apparently, Carmelo is more clutch then Roy which blows my mind as that sure didn't seem to be the case in their head to head matchups the past few years.

 

[Ed O]

I'm not sure why that matters, but I feel Roy is the more complete offensive player, and would work better as a 1A or solid 2 than Anthony.

It matters because "more complete" isn't that relevant with Chris Paul. Chris Paul handles the ball every possession. He sets up other players. He scores himself off of the dribble. In some ways, he plays keep away from his own team until he sets them up to score or does it himself.

Roy could do what he does best in the absence of a complete PG. Steve Blake did almost none of that and Andre Miller has holes (no perimeter shooting) and strengths (post-up game) that let Roy handle the ball more than he would with Paul.

While Roy's game would be impaired playing with Paul, Anthony, on the other hand, get his value from being able to score, and that scoring would remain unchanged.

I'd love to have Roy and Paul, and from a personality perspective I'd prefer Roy to Anthony, but I think Paul and Anthony might be more efficient in terms of optimizing each of their talents.

Ed O.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Yawn. If we have a healthy Oden + CP3 +LMA, Roy won't have to do anything special.

The other team will have to either
1) abandon the idea of offensive rebounding (in which case Roy hurts them in the half court)
2) try to get offensive rebounds (in which case LMA+CP3 run it down their throat)

Pick you poison fools! (I feel so HCPish )

 

[Minstrel]

I'm not sure why that matters, but I feel Roy is the more complete offensive player

I agree that he is, but some of that completeness would go to waste, IMO, when Paul is doing the vast majority of the play-making.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I agree that he is, but some of that completeness would go to waste, IMO, when Paul is doing the vast majority of the play-making.

Given that much of Roy's "playmaking" has devolved into "bail me out" passes to 3 point shooters, I'm not sure that is such a big consideration.