Roy getting a free pass?

[Tince]

Let me say that Brandon Roy is my favorite player. I think he will go down as the best player ever, in Blazer history. However, I'm confused to why he gets a free pass tonight? He turned the ball over 4 times in the 4th quarter, yet we freak on Blake for getting one turnover. We are going off that Travis missed an open three with 10 seconds left. Half the people here think our top notch coach is an idiot because he lost two road games by 4 points to the 2nd or 3rd best team in the western conference. Rudy got lit up by Von Wafer when he came in the game, but his defense is excused.

I'm confused to why some people get a free pass and others do not.

 

[Shooter]

Roy screwed up a few times, to be sure. But you have to measure his screw-ups versus his contributions--and the latter greatly outweight the former.

Look at his stat line: 31 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 3 blocked shots.

Nobody made a bigger contribution tonight than Roy.

 

[Tince]

And I totally agree. Roy is our best player and we wouldn't be in any games without him. However, down the stretch, his 4 turnovers hurt us as much as anyone. It appears people are willing to forget about all the close games we've won under Nate, or all the game winners hit by Outlaw in the past, so I figured if we are only going to take a snapshot of the 4th quarter, Roy should take as much blame as any.

I'm not one to sit here and blame people, because I realize Houston is a great team, with an unstoppable center, and an equally as good of a coach, to go with two premier defenders and a lot more playoff experience. I don't think there is any shame in losing to Houston, but other people here are jumping off cliffs, so it just made me wonder why Roy and Rudy get a total free pass around here.

 

[retroblazers]

roy really needs to pick up his intensity on the defensive end. that's where he gets the biggest pass. outlaw and blake are horrible defenders, and everybody jumps on the, rightfully so. but roy is only marginally better for 95% of the game, and then he'll make a nice defensive play to make you forget about the rest of the game.

 

[alex42083]

At least with Roy's last turnover, he tried to make something happen and was aggressive doing it -- instead of some dumbass play by coughing up the ball on the break like Blake again. But I believe Battier was Roy's man when he went off for those 2 key threes. Those were the daggers emotionally more than anything else.

 

[bigbailes]

this is laughable tince. roy is the only reason we were in the game to begin with, and thats not even counting game 2 where he and LA were the only two to show up. yea he made some mistakes but his mistakes were being too aggresive, while blake/outlaw/nates where more mental mistakes.

 

[Tince]

this is laughable tince. roy is the only reason we were in the game to begin with, and thats not even counting game 2 where he and LA were the only two to show up. yea he made some mistakes but his mistakes were being too aggresive, while blake/outlaw/nates where more mental mistakes.

I think you missed my point. People are using small sample sizes to make much greater accusations. We say Blake was horrible tonight because he made one bad turnover in the 4th, but Roy gets a free pass when he makes 4 in the final period.

If you read the entire thread, you would know that I'm not blaming Roy for the loss.

 

[bigbailes]

but blake hasn't really been effective this entire series, so when he makes boneheaded plays it adds to the level of frustration and you can add outlaw to that mix as well. i also don't think it is just about the small sample size, these concerns are ones that have been brought up about these two for much of the season. but everything is amplified in the postseason and the hand wringing is that much more.

 

[handiman]

I'm not concerned about his turnovers so much as how frequently he let his man roam free on the perimeter for open jumpers. I guess that's the price you pay when you decide to double down on Yao, but a lot of the time it looked like Roy just lost his man.

 

[OddEnormous]

Let me say that Brandon Roy is my favorite player. I think he will go down as the best player ever. However, I'm confused to why he gets a free pass tonight? He turned the ball over 4 times in the 4th quarter, yet we freak on Blake for getting one turnover. We are going off that Travis missed an open three with 10 seconds left. Half the people here think our top notch coach is an idiot because he lost two road games by 4 points to the 2nd or 3rd best team in the western conference. Rudy got lit up by Von Wafer when he came in the game, but his defense is excused.

I'm confused to why some people get a free pass and others do not.

Nobody has said a word about LMA tonight either... or Batum, or Blake etc etc etc

If you're expecting perfection you're never going to get it. (not you the poster... the in general "you")

Let's stick to bashing Outlaw tonight.


WHAT

A

JERK



Anyway IMO it's weird to ask "why aren't we getting all over Brandon" tonight

Because 90% of the time he's fucking awesome is the answer. You can either choose to look at that 90% or the 10%.

(not you the poster... the in general "you")

 

[Tince]

Nobody has said a word about LMA tonight either... or Batum, or Blake etc etc etc

If you're expecting perfection you're never going to get it. (not you the poster... the in general "you")

Let's stick to bashing Outlaw tonight.


WHAT

A

JERK



Anyway IMO it's weird to ask "why aren't we getting all over Brandon" tonight

Because 90% of the time he's fucking awesome is the answer. You can either choose to look at that 90% or the 10%.

(not you the poster... the in general "you")

Not me? Them?

I love Roy!!!

 

[OddEnormous]

Not me? Them?

I love Roy!!!

Fuck this i'm going to bed

:sleepyhead:

 

[Tince]

Fuck this i'm going to bed

:sleepyhead:

 

[LittleAlex]

this is laughable tince. roy is the only reason we were in the game to begin with, and thats not even counting game 2 where he and LA were the only two to show up. yea he made some mistakes but his mistakes were being too aggresive, while blake/outlaw/nates where more mental mistakes.

I was under the impression the reason Portland has lost the last two games was a lack of aggression. Now Roy is being too aggressive?

He is fucked either way, seems to me. Shoot a jumper, you are not going to the hole. Attack the rim, get the offensive foul for a turnover and you aren't playing "smart basketball". Not sure how the guy can win.

 

[Shooter]

But I believe Battier was Roy's man when he went off for those 2 key threes.

Is that right? Ouch. I didn't realize Roy had Battier on those two possessions. I wonder what he was thinking??

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I have to say I found myself thinking the same thing - particularly because Rudy was so often open on his right when he drove into a crowd. He's great, but him trying for a layup every time is playing into the Rockets' game plan perfectly. Maybe if he actually played with a PG who could create, this wouldn't be an issue.

(There, I managed to turn it back on to Blake. That's posting JuJitsu.)

 

[ABM]

I was under the impression the reason Portland has lost the last two games was a lack of aggression. Now Roy is being too aggressive?

It's one thing being agressive. Quite another when you're talking about taking it in against 4 guys waiting for you....which happened on more than one occasion in crunch time. I kept thinking to myself, "Trust your teammates, Brandon. Trust your teammates."

That said, Nate needs to continue to find more time for Rudy.

 

[Nikolokolus]

It's one thing being agressive. Quite another when you're talking about taking it in against 4 guys waiting for you....which happened on more than one occasion in crunch time. I kept thinking to myself, "Trust your teammates, Brandon. Trust your teammates."

That said, Nate needs to continue to find more time for Rudy.

Trust has to be earned. In this playoffs series I've seen precious few people willing/able to step up and take the big shot (with the exception of Rudy). Bottom line: Roy has been balling out of his ass considering the kind of defense he's up against and few people have shown an ability to step their level of play and give this team a reliable second or third option.

In constrast, the Rockets bench and third option type of guys have been huge for them. Take your pick, Wafer, Landry, Scola, Lowry, Battier, etc. have all stepped up their focus and shown an ability to hit the big shot.

 

[ToddMacCulloch11]

I think he will go down as the best player ever.

 

[ABM]

Trust has to be earned..

I saw more than a couple of times where Roy employed drive-and-dish strategies to Pryz, LMA, and Blake. I also saw guys just "watching" Roy work, as well.......something that had been discussed by Nate.

I'm not necessarily putting this all on Roy, but I do think he put a bit too much on himself - late - last night.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yeah I missed that.

Oof?!

 

[Tince]

In Blazer history. Sorry, I don't know how I forgot to put that minor detail in there...

 

[Boise Blazer]

My take is that if you look at it on a +/- ratio (+ for good things and - for bad things) then Roy is way way way in the plus so although he deserves part of the blame he deserves even more good praise for even having us there in that postion. Roy may be our superstar be he is still learning just like the rest of them. And i would rather have my superstar trying to do too much than not enough.

 

[retroblazers]

it seems like a big problem that portland is having defensively falls on roy/rudy/outlaw/batum. houston's sg/sf's keep getting wide open looks with nobody near them. and they're getting to the hoop at will without anybody impeding them. case and point, von wafer getting layups and dunks like he's in the dunk contest.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

yes, I'm very happy to give Roy a free pass.

yes, he had deficiencies.

however, he will work on those deficiencies, and he better next year.

 

[jwhoops11]

While the 4 turnovers were costly, it's hard for me to lay too much blame on Brandons shoulders, as I expect a guy that has the ball in his hands 90% of the time in the 4th quarter to give it up occasionally. Unfortunately his aggresiveness cost us lastnight with the charging foul, but a majority of the time he'll get us in a position to win the game by making that play. Chuck Hayes just happened to make a really good defensive play or maybe we aren't talking about the turnovers this morning.

 

[LittleAlex]

It's one thing being agressive. Quite another when you're talking about taking it in against 4 guys waiting for you....which happened on more than one occasion in crunch time. I kept thinking to myself, "Trust your teammates, Brandon. Trust your teammates."

That said, Nate needs to continue to find more time for Rudy.

He was trying to draw fouls. The same types of fouls he had gotten in the previous three quarters.

Unfortunately for him, the rule book changed between the third and fourth quarters.

The bottom line is that Roy is on the only Blazer on the floor that even has a chance of drawing a foul. Any other player he passes to can get mugged by Houston without any fouls being called.

 

[bigbailes]

Artest mugged him once, and the offensive foul was when he was trying to make a play and it was Blake's pass that stuck him there.

and you rarely see the other offensive foul called with less than 30 seconds remaining. it was the right call but most of the time the offical will swallow his whistle on that one.

and brandon is pretty much the only guy being aggressive in this series for us. LA had a great game 2 and Rudy is playing his ass off but the rest have been MIA. i'm still wondering why rudy only gets 24 minutes?