Roy vs. Dame

[The_Lillard_King]

Sometimes Lillard seems like a SG. I don't see him really creating for his teammates. He's got the ball handling skills of a PG, and doesn't commit a lot of turnovers, but he doesn't have that Johnson/Nash/Stockton passing ability.

Roy, in his brief prime, was nearly unstoppable one on one. Damian's offensive prowess is centered around the 3pt shot. No way he'll shoot 50% all year. So I'd have to say he's not at Roy's level of offense. Neither were are good defenders. So right now, I'd give the edge to Roy.

I agree with this.

As a scorer, Roy in his prime was better than Lillard is now (significantly to me). But hopefully we haven't seen Lillard in his prime yet.

 

[Strenuus]

I agree with this.

As a scorer, Roy in his prime was better than Lillard is now (significantly to me). But hopefully we haven't seen Lillard in his prime yet.

I hope you're right, and he isn't in his prime yet, because his prime will be better than Roy's if that's the case.

 

[illmatic99]

I think Roy was more clutch.

 

[julius]

I want Damian to get a triple double in a game soon. That's one thing about Roy I liked, his decent all around numbers.

 

[Rhal]

One thing that i'll talk about between the two is that when Roy was on the offense was stagnant. He had the ball he was going to score and if he passed it was because he is caught. When Dames on fire he might come up and take that 3 right in the defenders face but if he doesn't he moves the ball around.

 

[-Ace-]

It's not as likely, but this is what I want to see from Dame at some point:

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That look on his face, looking back at Samb......my tooth hurts! [/Rice]

 

[Rhal]

He kinda has already

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[BlazerCaravan]

I want Damian to get a triple double in a game soon. That's one thing about Roy I liked, his decent all around numbers.

Lillard's been close a few times. I think it'd take an OT game to do it though.

 

[-Ace-]

Those are just dunks in traffic. I want him to knock a big man down for a poster.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'd rather have Lillard with two healthy knees than Roy and his well documented break-downs, but it's really underselling Brandon to say that Lillard is somehow more of a player than he was. Roy at the peak of his powers was a force of a nature ... albeit briefly. Damian isn't there yet.

 

[B-Roy]

One thing that i'll talk about between the two is that when Roy was on the offense was stagnant. He had the ball he was going to score and if he passed it was because he is caught. When Dames on fire he might come up and take that 3 right in the defenders face but if he doesn't he moves the ball around.

People complain about this with all ball-dominant players (except maybe LeBron). I know Knicks fans complain about it with Melo. Houston with Harden. Even the Lakers with Kobe at times.

 

[blue9]

Roy could get into good scoring position fairly easily. Dame can't.

 

[Public Defender]

Roy could get into good scoring position fairly easily. Dame can't.

Lillard can get into "good scoring position" quite easily - thanks to his range extending out about four feet past the three-point line.

What I appreciate about Lillard - and someone else mentioned this already - is that he gets his points while helping spread the floor, share the ball, and make the defense move. A lot of B-Roy's points came in iso plays, or in situations in which other players had precious little to do.

That said, I don't think Ron Artest was kidding when he said Roy was the toughest player in the league for him to guard. Roy was deceptively strong, deceptively quick, confident in his moves, very good at drawing fouls, and underrated as an outside shooting threat (especially late in games). He wasn't a bad defender, when healthy, either (on that score, I'd say he's better than Lillard).

I think it's too early to judge whether Lillard is at Roy's level yet. He's got that potential, but until he leads the Blazers to the playoffs, he's not there yet.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

For my money Roy > Dame minus the injuries though.

Roy was a franchise player. Dame is... kind of but not in the superstar way BRoy was at. Maybe he'll get there.... but there are several players like him in the league. Roy was a unique player witth a particular set of skills.

hoop fam

 

[jlprk]

There's no similarity. Roy was an Adrian Dantley-like SF playing at guard. Lillard is a little 6-2 guy who could shoot last season, but not this season so far.

 

[FromWayDownTownBang]

Roy could get into good scoring position fairly easily. Dame can't.

Do you get a chance to watch many Portland Trailblazer games?

 

[OneLifeToLive]

It's really hard not to compare the two. They have so many similarities in how they play the game. The unflappable confidence, the ability to take over the game whenever they want, and the ability to let the game come to them.

There are some obvious differences too though. Dame is definitely a much better outside shooter, while Roy was definitely a much better mid-range shooter with his pull-ups and fade-aways. Yes, they play(ed) different positions, but still very much the same role in the offense. Roy handled the ball almost as much as Dame in the McMillan offense.

It would be very interesting to ask someone like LMA what they think about the two players. He's one of the only guys left who played with both. Actually Batum would probably be an even better guy to ask because he has had to guard both of them in practice.

Anyway, just curious what people think about comparing the two.

I think Roy was the better player. In time that can change. I also kind of think they both are/were overrated by Blazer fans and maybe league wide.

 

[SpamKing]

There's no similarity. Roy was an Adrian Dantley-like SF playing at guard. Lillard is a little 6-2 guy who could shoot last season, but not this season so far.

He's shooting more 3s so far this season, and at a .426 average (vs .373 from 3 last season) . . .

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Love Dame, but Roy, when healthy, was a top10 almost top5 NBA player, and the 2nd best SG in the league behind Kobe (yes i think during his best year, he was better than Wade)

 

[RR7]

Still way too early into the season, but if Dame plays at this level all season, he will have had a better second season than Roy did.

 

[dviss1]

I think Roy was more clutch.

Roy has had way more opportunities to be clutch. But Lillard in his small sample size, has had at least 5 clutch (end of quarter/game) shots I can think of right off the top of my head. The kid is pretty damn clutch.

 

[dviss1]

There's no similarity. Roy was an Adrian Dantley-like SF playing at guard. Lillard is a little 6-2 guy who could shoot last season, but not this season so far.

Bull.

Before his last bad game his shooting percentage as well as his 3p% was vastly improved from last season at 44% and 42% respectfully.

 

[Strenuus]

100 points, 20 assists, 25 rebounds, and 20 3 pointers in his first 5 games.

Yeah, he cant shoot this season. Bench him.

 

[Yoda_of_the_MODA]

The thing about Roy that will always just baffle me is how he went from All-Star to a liability in such a short period of time. Allen Houston had somewhat of a similar thing with his knees, but he still was able to play into his 30s. Either Roy was playing through incredible pain for much of his NBA career, or his is a medical case that should be examined for the ages.

Edited to add that Allen Houston was nowhere near the player, pre-injuries, that Roy was, ever.

 

[Natebishop3]

The thing about Roy that will always just baffle me is how he went from All-Star to a liability in such a short period of time. Allen Houston had somewhat of a similar thing with his knees, but he still was able to play into his 30s. Either Roy was playing through incredible pain for much of his NBA career, or his is a medical case that should be examined for the ages.

Edited to add that Allen Houston was nowhere near the player, pre-injuries, that Roy was, ever.

I suspect a lot of it was pain. By the end, Roy had no meniscus left in either knee, and that robbed him of all his athleticism. Roy might not have seemed like a guy who needed a ton of athleticism, but it took away his first step, it took away all his lift when he would drive to the hole, and it slowed him down to the point where he simply couldn't do the things that he wanted to. Roy was never really a pure shooter, so he used his quickness to get pull-ups and fade-aways, but with both knees gone, he was super slow. Much easier to guard.