Rubio could slip past 5?

[VanillaGorilla]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59839/20090615/rubio_could_slip_but_will_stay_in_draft/

With concerns over his strength, shooting and buyout, Ricky Rubio has gone from the consensus number two pick to one of the many wild cards in this year's NBA Draft.

Rubio is not interested in Memphis or Washington and the Thunder appears to be leaning toward selecting James Harden or Stephen Curry. The Kings were thought to be a sure bet but sources in Sacramento tell ESPN that it's far from a lock that they'll pick him if he's still on the board.

For those of you who want him, would this make it easier or harder to get him? And does it make it more or less enticing to try to get him?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah, he is overrated.

He is simply not ready to play in the league.

 

[alex42083]

Sounds like some teams are trying to drive down his value in order to get a steal. Teams didn't know about his strength or shooting ability a week ago? I call BS since Rubio's probably been scouted for a few years already I bet.

 

[rocketeer]

i'm still going to be surprised if rubio goes anywhere but number 2.

 

[hasoos]

What the hell would we want a PG for? Why do you think we have passed up on good PG for the last half of a decade? There is an unwritten rule that the Blazers cannot have a competant PG. So the only way Portland drafts him, is if he truly sucks.

 

[illmatic99]

I would trade Bayless + pieces, and take on extra salary for a chance at Rubio. He is obviously a few years away, but I think his ceiling is very high, and he is very likely to reach it.

This news probably makes it easier to land him.

 

[Ed O]

Players slip.

Chris Paul fell to the fourth spot in spite of being widely considered being the best PG prospect since Magic Johnson. Paul Pierce fell to the tenth spot after being first team all-american as a junior at Kansas.

I am very very confident that Rubio is going to be a special player in the NBA, and if he slips I'd like to think it'll just make it that much more likely Portland will land him.

Ed O.

 

[RickyRubio]

i'm still going to be surprised if rubio goes anywhere but number 2.

He could go 2 but traded to another team like Mayo and Love.

 

[Minstrel]

Players slip.

Chris Paul fell to the fourth spot in spite of being widely considered being the best PG prospect since Magic Johnson. Paul Pierce fell to the tenth spot after being first team all-american as a junior at Kansas.

I am very very confident that Rubio is going to be a special player in the NBA, and if he slips I'd like to think it'll just make it that much more likely Portland will land him.

My position as well. If Rubio's stock is really slipping (not due to poor play, just due to volatility of percpetions), I'll bet Pritchard's eyes are lighting up. A draft slide for Rubio gives Pritchard a chance to pull off a serious heist.

Of course, I also agree with rocketeer...I'd be pretty surprised if Rubio goes anywhere other than #2.

 

[oldmangrouch]

The fact that he isn't "NBA ready" may influence some teams. I would bet, however, that the mess surrounding his contract is weighing far more heavily. If he slips, it will be because teams are afraid he won't be in an NBA uniform anytime soon.

I know next to nothing about Spanish law, so I will not even offer a wild guess as to whether that is a realistic fear.

 

[Blaze01]

I find the "Not NBA ready" label to be a pretty funny and inaccurate one.....

Considering that he has been a starter on a euroleague team which offers better competition than college, and has been playing there for 3-4? years....and played PG for a Spanish National team that finished 2nd in the Olympics to the U.S.


Clearly, he is not ready.....

 

[oldmangrouch]

I find the "Not NBA ready" label to be a pretty funny and inaccurate one.....

Considering that he has been a starter on a euroleague team which offers better competition than college, and has been playing there for 3-4? years....and played PG for a Spanish National team that finished 2nd in the Olympics to the U.S.


Clearly, he is not ready.....

His head may be NBA ready - his body is another story.

At this point his jumper is inconsistent, and he is too slender to get to the rim and finish consistently either. Even in Europe he has to play a gambling defense, because he can't guard grown men straight up.

If the transition was tough on Rudy, who is several years older and more physically mature, it could be downright brutal for Rubio. This could be a case where the kid doesn't even make the all-rookie team - and in the long term winds up the best player in this draft!

 

[Crimson the Cat]

His head may be NBA ready - his body is another story.

At this point his jumper is inconsistent, and he is too slender to get to the rim and finish consistently either. Even in Europe he has to play a gambling defense, because he can't guard grown men straight up.

If the transition was tough on Rudy, who is several years older and more physically mature, it could be downright brutal for Rubio. This could be a case where the kid doesn't even make the all-rookie team - and in the long term winds up the best player in this draft!

NBA ready is silly. People said the same about Rudy and Prince. Rubio looked great a year ago during the Olympics. That was year ago. Advance that by a year and a half, and he'll do just fine. He'll hit the wall like all rookies do, but it's just what he has to go through.

I don't know about you but I'd like to see the Blazers grab all the championships between 2010 and 2020. Ricky Rubio would ensure that.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't know about you but I'd like to see the Blazers grab all the championships between 2010 and 2020. Ricky Rubio would ensure that.

Oy. Might be overstating it slightly, but adding Rubio to Oden/Roy/Aldridge/Batum would make a pretty sure championship contender for a decade or more, IMO.

 

[rocketeer]

NBA ready is silly. People said the same about Rudy and Prince. Rubio looked great a year ago during the Olympics. That was year ago. Advance that by a year and a half, and he'll do just fine. He'll hit the wall like all rookies do, but it's just what he has to go through.

I don't know about you but I'd like to see the Blazers grab all the championships between 2010 and 2020. Ricky Rubio would ensure that.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08...son//teamnumber/362/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html
rubio's stats in the olympics:

4.8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 2.13 steals, 28% shooting(35% from 2, 16.7% from 3) in 18.5 minutes.

is that really great?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08...son//teamnumber/362/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html
rubio's stats in the olympics:

4.8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 2.13 steals, 28% shooting(35% from 2, 16.7% from 3) in 18.5 minutes.

is that really great?

Statistically speaking, at 17-years old, against the extreme level of competition he faced, yes. He wasn't the main cog on that team. That's not what impressed me. It's that he was able to blend in and help contribute at such a young age. He helped the team instead of hindered them. Not to mention his defense and offensive control, for his age, was something I found quite remarkable.

Can't look at stats in a vacuum.

 

[oldmangrouch]

NBA ready is silly. People said the same about Rudy and Prince. Rubio looked great a year ago during the Olympics. That was year ago. Advance that by a year and a half, and he'll do just fine. He'll hit the wall like all rookies do, but it's just what he has to go through.

I don't know about you but I'd like to see the Blazers grab all the championships between 2010 and 2020. Ricky Rubio would ensure that.

No offense, but Rudy went on record as saying Rubio was going to need time to make an impact in the NBA - and I give his opinion on the matter a bit more weight than anybody posting here.

 

[Da_O]

This doesn't say anything about his stock dropping(don't know where anybody got that). The Thunder and Grizzlies wont pick him because Rubio says he wont play for them. And the Kings only says it's not a lock, but that could be a smokescreen trying to raise the price if a team wanted to trade up. Rubio should widely be regarded as the 2nd best prospect in this draft. It's fun to live in fantasy land but Rubio wont be coming to Portland, ever.

 

[barfo]

It's fun to live in fantasy land but Rubio wont be coming to Portland, ever.

Not even for road games?

barfo

 

[Da_O]

Not even for road games?

barfo

NO!!!!!!

 

[Cake]

He is simply not ready to play in the league.

Few 18 year olds are.

 

[mgb]

This doesn't say anything about his stock dropping(don't know where anybody got that). The Thunder and Grizzlies wont pick him because Rubio says he wont play for them. And the Kings only says it's not a lock, but that could be a smokescreen trying to raise the price if a team wanted to trade up. Rubio should widely be regarded as the 2nd best prospect in this draft. It's fun to live in fantasy land but Rubio wont be coming to Portland, ever.

I would think if they were worried someone might jump ahead of them the Kings would say they were not interested. To drive up the price to make someone trade for him I'd think they'd say they are going to draft him, not that they are not interested.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

No offense, but Rudy went on record as saying Rubio was going to need time to make an impact in the NBA - and I give his opinion on the matter a bit more weight than anybody posting here.

i dont disagree with rudys comments, nor feel it contradicts what im saying

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Clearly, Rubio is a project player. He's not NBA ready at this time, but has that dreaded "potential" tag. He may pan out and he may not. He's pretty much an unknown quantity. Drafting him will be a gamble for whoever lands him. That said, his upside is pretty promising. He's one of those players who will show what he has about the time his rookie contract expires.

 

[anonymous gambler]

Rubio looks to be a stud- great handles and amazing passing combined with a strong defensive game at the Europeon level (granted it may not translate, but he should be better than your typical euro prospect).

If I knew for sure that we would get Boozer with cap space, I would trade Aldridge for Rubio.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Chad Ford said in his chat that Sacramento is not that enthused with Rubio and might go with Holliday. So, in theory, if everybody goes with whom they're supposed to like, it could go:
1: Griffin
2: Thabeet (seems a stretch)
3: Harden (I can see this, particularly if they really see Westbrook as their PG)
4: Holliday
5: ....

Also mentioned was that while Washington is sort of interested in playing Rubio next to Arenas, Rubio's "camp" has zero interest. And as we know, Washington is open to trading the pick, particularly if they can offload salary. Maybe we can get Jamison AND Rubio!

Anyone with Insider care to summarize Chad Ford's latest draft musings?

 

[handiman]

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08...son//teamnumber/362/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html
rubio's stats in the olympics:

4.8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 2.13 steals, 28% shooting(35% from 2, 16.7% from 3) in 18.5 minutes.

is that really great?

Amen. I'm in the admittedly small camp that doesn't understand what everyone saw from Rubio in the Olympics that makes him such a can't miss prospect.

 

[andalusian]

Amen. I'm in the admittedly small camp that doesn't understand what everyone saw from Rubio in the Olympics that makes him such a can't miss prospect.

He did it as an 18 years old. A 6 years older Deron Williams with much more experience and a WCF experience behind him got 8 PPG, 2.8APG, 2.3 RPG, 1.5TOPG, 0.75 STPG in 19MPG (with much better shooting percentages, to be honest).

Do you think that an 18 years old Deron Williams would have got the production Rubio had as an 18 years old in the Olympics going all the way to the gold game? If you think he would (and I do not think he would) - you understand why Rubio is such an intriguing prospect...

 

[handiman]

The problem with that line of thinking is, it assumes you can predict future development. That's a 50/50 proposition at best. If he isn't producing at a high level now (statistically), there's no guarantee he will later just because he's young.

 

[andalusian]

The problem with that line of thinking is, it assumes you can predict future development. That's a 50/50 proposition at best. If he isn't producing at a high level now (statistically), there's no guarantee he will later just because he's young.

Rubio is producing at a high level now... he averaged 9.8PPG, 5.8RPG, 2.7RPG shooting 41% from the 3 and 39% overall in only 22MPG - in a league much harder than college (the Spanish league) playing against men bigger and stronger than him. This translates to 16 points, 9.4assist and 4.4 rebounds per 36 minutes... which is not bad at all...

Flynn - who seems like a great prospect - averaged 17.4 points, 6.7 assists and 2.7 rebounds in 37.3 minutes last year against lesser competition - and he is older.

Would you rather have a 16.8 points, 6.6 assist and 2.6 rebounds per 36 or a younger player who averaged 16 points, 9.4 assists and 4.4 rebounds per 36 against tougher competition? Flynn is the first, Rubio is the 2nd. Rubio most certainly produces. He produced fantastically in the Olympics when you actually look at his production vs. Deron Williams who is much older, stronger and more experienced in the same kind of minutes...

Of course - not all prospects pan out - but to say that Rubio is not producing is absurd and it ignores the facts...

Do the same thing with Derrick Rose's college stats - and per 36 - Rubio scores less but at a higher percentage fom 3, distributes more and rebounds about the same per minute - but against better competition...