Rubio revisited

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Or maybe Batum was at one time projected as a lottery talent, but due to a misleading health report he tumbled down the draft board?

Maybe.

Did anyone ever have him going in the top 5, though? Even Jerryd Bayless was a guy who slipped from top 5 perception to the end of the lottery. Batum slipped from fringe lottery to where he ended up.

Which is good for the Blazers, but does not put him at nearly the same level as Rubio.

Ed O.
 
So you watch this and see nothing?

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He does look good with those highlights but you can make almost anybody look good with highlights. I'm not going to do it but I can find Rudy highlights that make him look like a NBA all star.

Here are Rubio stats from the Olympics and it isn't much. You want me to look up Rudy stats or Gasol's and compare? He average 4.75 ppg and 3 assists per game and. Shot 35% 2 pt and 16% 3pt.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08...son//teamnumber/362/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html
 
He does look good with those highlights but you can make almost anybody look good with highlights. I'm not going to do it but I can find Rudy highlights that make him look like a NBA all star.

Fair enough. But these highlights reflect my impression at the time: he's a huge difference maker, with his suffocating pressure as much as anything. They would be treading water and they'd bring him in and Spain would really ignite.

Here are Rubio stats from the Olympics and it isn't much. You want me to look up Rudy stats or Gasol's and compare? He average 4.75 ppg and 3 assists per game and. Shot 35% 2 pt and 16% 3pt.

Sure. And Gasol was the focal point of the offense and a multiple NBA All-Star. Rubio was barely 18.
 
Fair enough. But these highlights reflect my impression at the time: he's a huge difference maker, with his suffocating pressure as much as anything. They would be treading water and they'd bring him in and Spain would really ignite.



Sure. And Gasol was the focal point of the offense and a multiple NBA All-Star. Rubio was barely 18.

For me he didn't look good but I'm not saying he couldn't develop into a good NBA player. The thing I was trying to make is I would never ever even think about trading Batum for Rubio and I doubt very many NBA GM's would.
 
i just cant see rubio being able to run that kind of game (shown in the vid) in Nate's system. if we were an uptempo and hard running team it could be pretty awesome to have him - but the patterns that nate is using these days arent set up to take advantage of the skillset that rubio shows. would probably just be frustrating for everyone concerned.
 
Maybe.

Did anyone ever have him going in the top 5, though? Even Jerryd Bayless was a guy who slipped from top 5 perception to the end of the lottery. Batum slipped from fringe lottery to where he ended up.

Which is good for the Blazers, but does not put him at nearly the same level as Rubio.

Ed O.

I'm not trying to make an argument for Batum over Rubio, as I'm not sure where I stand if that were on the table. But in some of the first 2008 mock drafts on nbadraft.net, they had Batum going #2 overall, right behind Derek Rose. Not sure if you can still find those in their archives, but I definitely saw it with my own 2 eyes. FWIW.
 
i just cant see rubio being able to run that kind of game (shown in the vid) in Nate's system. if we were an uptempo and hard running team it could be pretty awesome to have him - but the patterns that nate is using these days arent set up to take advantage of the skillset that rubio shows. would probably just be frustrating for everyone concerned.

You're assuming that Nate just cannot change. That may or may not be true. You're also assuming that Nate will always be our coach. Also debatable.

One thing's for sure, Rubio doesn't look suited for the triangle. But if he ever did come to Minny, you'd have to think Rambis would've been canned by then.
 
I'm not trying to make an argument for Batum over Rubio, as I'm not sure where I stand if that were on the table. But in some of the first 2008 mock drafts on nbadraft.net, they had Batum going #2 overall, right behind Derek Rose. Not sure if you can still find those in their archives, but I definitely saw it with my own 2 eyes. FWIW.

Not the most reliable source for what NBA GMs will actually do. Remember Pavel Podkolzine?
 
Chad Ford also had Pavel rated in the Top 5 for a while.
 
Maybe.

Did anyone ever have him going in the top 5, though? Even Jerryd Bayless was a guy who slipped from top 5 perception to the end of the lottery. Batum slipped from fringe lottery to where he ended up.

Which is good for the Blazers, but does not put him at nearly the same level as Rubio.

Ed O.

Draftexpress' Jonathan Givony was pretty high on him after the Nike Hoop Summit and the U-18 world championships, but when Nic went to the Euroleague he kind of disappeared, because he had (has?) more of a role-players' mentality. But you can see for yourself here that he was projected as high as a top 4 pick at one time.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nicolas-Batum-537/mock-draft-history/

As for Rubio I think there's a pretty good chance he could be good, but for a guy without elite athleticism, not much of an outside shot or an ability to finish is he really a lock to be a great NBA point guard? When I look at his film I see a guy with great court vision and underwhelming physical tools:

This year's stats:
Code:
       Year	League	Team	GP	Min	Pts	FG	FGA	FG%	2Pt	2PtA	2P%	3Pt	3PtA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	Off	Def	TOT	Asts	Stls	Blks	TOs	PFs
2009/10	ACB	Barcelona	34	20.0	6.6	2.1	4.7	44.7	1.0	2.1	47.9	1.1	2.6	42.0	1.5	1.9	79.7	0.5	2.1	2.6	4.4	2.0	0.1	1.8	1.6
2009/10	EURO	Barcelona	22	20.9	6.8	1.8	4.9	37.0	1.0	2.5	38.2	0.9	2.4	35.8	2.3	2.5	89.3	0.5	2.4	2.9	4.1	1.4	0.0	2.1	2.0

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ricky-Rubio-1155/stats/#ixzz0tDzQwYWs

I have my doubts.
 
I did ask, and thank you for reminding me. :)

He didn't slide from the top 5, though, because of rumors of his health.

As for whether Rubio is a "lock" to be a great PG... of course not. If such a thing were possible, and he were that thing, we couldn't trade anyone on our roster to get him.

On the other hand, there's no lock that Batum will be an average starting small forward, either. Presumably he will be, because of what we've seen so far and his age (and I'm delighted he's a Blazer, don't get me wrong)... but Rubio would be a more valuable player at the PG spot even if they're equal in terms of their capabilities, and I think Rubio's upside is significantly higher than Nic's.

Ed O.
 
As for Rubio I think there's a pretty good chance he could be good, but for a guy without elite athleticism, not much of an outside shot or an ability to finish is he really a lock to be a great NBA point guard? When I look at his film I see a guy with great court vision and underwhelming physical tools:

Depends what you mean by "physical tools". He doesn't have great hops (although, unlike Steve Nash, he can dunk) but he's fast. And he has quick feet and long arms and is a very pesty defender. He's a better athlete than, say, Mark Jackson ever was. And at least as good a passer. (And lest you forget, Jackson is second only to Stockton in assists.)

It's well known that there's a difference between speed, quicks, and hops. Rubio is probably at best average in hops (for basketball players, not the general public), but good in speed and great in quicks. He was giving Chris Paul problems in the Olympics.

His absolute bottom baseline is Kirk Hinrich with Sergio's flash and passing.
 
Only David Kahn would trade Batum for Rubio.

You're out of your freaking mind if you trade Nic for Rubio, and I'm a fan of Ricky.
 
Rasta, you keep harping on Rubio coming here and being the piece to push us over the top. OK fine, for the sake of argument let's say that's true -- that he is the one critical cog that is missing from the Blazers rotation that makes them title contenders -- Why the fuck would he want to play here after Sergio and Rudy's trials and tribulations? Even if Nate were to be fired and a regime change occurred, we'd still be a small market team on the left coast which puts him about as far from home as he can get.
 
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Aito Garcia Reneses coming over? :) Xavier Pascual?
 
Rasta, you keep harping on Rubio coming here and being the piece to push us over the top. OK fine, for the sake of argument let's say that's true -- that he is the one critical cog that is missing from the Blazers rotation that makes them title contenders -- Why the fuck would he want to play here after Sergio and Rudy's trials and tribulations? Even if Nate were to be fired and a regime change occurred, we'd still be a small market team on the left coast which puts him about as far from home as he can get.

Technically not an accurate representation of what I've said: all I'm saying is that he may be the best possibly-available option. There are many good PGs I'd also be happy with (Jrue Holliday, for example) that I don't think the respective teams would give up for what we can offer.

Second: why should Rubio think that the same thing will happen to him? He would have to think that Sergio and Rudy's problems come from
(a) being Spanish and
(b) Nate McMillan hating Spaniards
before he believed that he wouldn't do better. He's got to know that he's got a different game from both of them. And there are plenty of people who will tell him he's an order of magnitude better than both.
(You're also forgetting that Rudy's rookie year in Portland was seen as a rousing success all round, and Rudy was much beloved. Unless I'm much mistaken, Nate was the coach then, too. Even Sergio was much beloved his first season, even in limited time. But Sergio was even dropped by the Spanish National team, so it's not just Nate who had his doubts.)

You're also assuming that Rubio wouldn't come over unless he was on (say) the Knicks, Lakers or Heat. But he's a kid, and when you start out, just about any American city is exciting. I believe he would've come over to the Wolves if they hadn't immediately drafted Flynn. If you read that article that circulated around this year's draft that described Rubio at last year's draft, it was clear that he was really befuddled by Flynn's selection. That same article makes it seem like he wanted Sacramento - another small market town that crapped on Sergio, and that has a much worse team.

If the Blazers do well in the playoffs, they become more attractive.

I think this reveals, once again, the belief that all Spaniards are prima donnas. I think half the crap that appears in the Spanish tabloids is posturing by agents.
 
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You're confusing me. Would he be the one giving up Batum in this scenario?



Oh yeah? Well I would do it and I'm a fan of Batum!

What I meant is if Kahn had Batum he'd be dumb enough to trade him for Rubio.

But, I've always liked Ricky and would like him in Portland if we can't land CP3. Though, with how Rudy was treated here by Nate and the system we play in I doubt Ricky would want to come over if the Blazers had his rights.
 
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Now that Rubio seems to be doing quite well in Minny, it's funny to revisit this.
 
Rubio is looking like the real deal so far. Rick Adelman was a great choice for coach to help develop him.
 
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Now that Rubio seems to be doing quite well in Minny, it's funny to revisit this.

I'll admit (at least so far) I was totally wrong about the guy. Gotta wonder what he'd look like if Rambis was still there though? Rubio in a triangle offense wouldn't be a pretty picture.
 
Bah. He is, after all, almost 21 and a half years old. He'll never amount to anything!

;)

Ed O.
 
We couldn't have had Rubio, but we could have had Adelman...

I want to see what Adelman does with Webster to fluidize his shooting.
 
Here's a stat I saw somewhere that seems hard to believe: Rubio is the only player anywhere who has played every second of every 4th quarter so far this season.
 
Here's a stat I saw somewhere that seems hard to believe: Rubio is the only player anywhere who has played every second of every 4th quarter so far this season.

It's interesting to see how Adelman is using him as a closer. All I know is that Minnesota games are now "must see" for me on league pass. The kid is good ... even when things aren't going perfectly for him, he still manages to make it look like he has a plan out there.
 
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