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Do-it. Do-it. Do-it. Do-it. Do-it. I hate the Wizards, I want them to have a total brain fart.
 
I wish it could happen, but it won't. We'd need to give up Aldridge or Oden. I'm assuming Roy is untouchable.

If we do miraculously get the first pick: what if we traded Oden for someone like Harris ( a three way would be needed, since New Jersey already has Lopez) and got Blake Griffin?
 
3 Mexicans on one team, that would be sweet!
 
If we bailed them out of the Gilbert Arenas contract, they might be willing to give up the pick:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awmoaa

That would save the Wizards a stupid amount of money. It'd also leave them with Jamison as their best player and no pick next year, which is kind of hard to sell to the fans.
 
SPAM!!

Make three simultaneous trades with them to land us Butler and their first, along with Stevenson, Songaila, and Etan Thomas' contracts for a total of 9 million dollars (3 separate deals), Outlaw, Raef, Frye, Diogu, and some second rounders.
 
wow ....can we at least make a deal before we speculate which player will fall to us? this has gotten insane
 
Meh... I don't really care for te draft much anymore, and waiting 2-3 years for someone to take the starting spot. I think last year's draft was the final one in the lottery for a while, hopefully at least 10 years. :)
 
If we acquire a high 1st round pick this year, it'll be to trade later. This draft sucks.

And if we were to draft Rubio, Oden will never ever ever have a game where he doesn't get at least five fouls. Why don't people like defense?
 
LOL. Rubio's only a physical 6'4" PG who started on the Silver Medal-Winning Olympic Team at 17.

Defensively, he can be intimidating because he uses his great length, big hands, sense of timing and quick reflexes to disrupt passes and take away dribbling mistakes. He is around every loose ball, and seems to have a sense of knowing when to make big plays defensively to change the complexion of the game.
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He has more skill than anyone in his worldwide age group. Including but not limited to: Defense, anticipation, intelligence, ball handling, PG (vision) creation, rhythm, coordination, ambition, scoring and personality He is practically ambidextrous, has good foot speed (not great) and excellent body control
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Weaknesses: Rubio will have trouble guarding point guards in the NBA. His lateral quickness is decent but not great. Against top competition, he does have some mental lapses at times. He often backs off his defender and uses his instincts to play position defense, but in the rare moments when he guesses wrong, he can get beat on simple plays like a back-door cut, or his defender will easily dribble right by him. Some of his height and vision advantage is lost when longer players guard him
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As I mentioned, Rubio's defense is way ahead of his offense right now, and he has a long way to go in terms of becoming a scoring threat, but his poise, basketball IQ, court vision and flair are already evident.

Let me throw this one out there in terms of a comparative player to Rubio in terms of style: Gary Payton.
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mook said:
If we bailed them out of the Gilbert Arenas contract, they might be willing to give up the pick:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awmoaa

That would save the Wizards a stupid amount of money. It'd also leave them with Jamison as their best player and no pick next year, which is kind of hard to sell to the fans.
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If I were Paul Allen, there is no way I would do this, but as a fan, sign me up. That would be sick, especially if Arenas ever full healed.

Bayless/Arenas
Roy/Rudy
Butler/Webster
LMA/Outlaw
Oden/Przybilla

And we would still have Batum, Blake, and all sorts of other players, along with The Wiz (likely top 3) pick
 
I kind of got the impression that Rubio looked like a slightly more creative but more error-prone version of Rondo out there - given that he is as young as he is - he looks like he will be a nice NBA PG with great tools to be a good defensive point. Who (other than NOH, Utah, Boston (maybe) and Chicago) would not want him on their roster?
 
andalusian said:
Who (other than NOH, Utah, Boston (maybe) and Chicago) would not want him on their roster?
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New Jersey. Devin Harris is a stud.

But I agree with you, otherwise. I think Rubio has tremendous potential as an NBA point guard.
 
Minstrel said:
New Jersey. Devin Harris is a stud.

But I agree with you, otherwise. I think Rubio has tremendous potential as an NBA point guard.
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While I like Devin Harris (and Parker who is a much better player than Harris, btw) - I think these guys are not prototypical point-guards - they are as successful as they are because they can break the defense down and score in the paint at will. Rubio strikes me as more of a Rondo (or Payton if he ever becomes that good) than Harris/Parker.

Harris has gone from a good young PG to a scoring machine because NJN's system is built around him. Parker gets a pass for his deficiencies setting people up because he plays in a great coach's system and next to a great big-man that would makes tons of people shine next to him.

As point-guards that can really set anyone up - I think that Rubio is actually higher in potential than either DH or Parker. Just my opinion.
 
If we were to luck into the #1 pick, we'd ABSOLUTELY keep it. And we certainly wouldn't be picking Rubio.

Blake Griffin anyone? Dude is a MONSTER. Bye bye Lamarcus...hello 22 and 12 every night.
 
BengalDuck said:
How is he not like Rudy, then? Bothersome in passing lanes. Overall, a poor and limited defender.
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Have you actually looked at the both of them playing in the Olympics?

Rubio, 6 years younger than Rudy - looked a lot more focused on defense than Rudy. I think that playing for Nate and not being the focus of the offense has definitely helped Rudy and he is showing much more effort on defense - but I still think that Ricky is a much better defender than Rudy is - and probably always will be.

Read the following DraftExpress defensive assessments of the two:

Rudy:
Defense doesn’t look like a high priority for Rudy at this point. He’s not the most aggressive on-ball defender, and he’s not putting much energy into stopping his matchups. Enjoying a much larger offensive role this year, he’s probably saving some efforts. He’s a skinny guy who might get eventually outmuscled, but his length and quickness make up for it whenever he’s focused on this department. He fully takes part in the intense gambling style of defense that his team employs, staying aggressive in the passing lanes at all times to come up with a large amount of steals each game. Joventut is by a huge margin the team with the best steal/turnover ratio in the ACB league, and Rudy replicates this trend by coming up with more steals than turnovers during the regular season. However, in this Copa he caused 13 turnovers, with only 3 steals to speak of.
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Ricky:
Rubio got his hands on every ball even remotely in his area in the game we saw the moment he stepped out on the court—causing deflections and turnovers on a couple of occasions. His knack for getting in the passing lanes is nothing short of amazing, and he’s an absolute nuisance playing defense on the ball.
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andalusian said:
While I like Devin Harris (and Parker who is a much better player than Harris, btw) - I think these guys are not prototypical point-guards - they are as successful as they are because they can break the defense down and score in the paint at will.
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I don't agree that Parker is a much better player than Harris, especially when one considers defense, but I do think he's an excellent point guard. I just forgot him.

I agree that they're not prototypical point guards, but I don't think that matters. A point guard doesn't need to play like John Stockton to be a tremendous point guard. As far as I'm concerned, a point guard needs to be able to create offense for teammates and defend opposing point guards. Those are the two skills that define a point guard, to me. How the first one is done isn't all that important. Stockton did it with remarkable passing skills and court vision; Parker and Harris do it by breaking the defense down, drawing defenders to them and finding teammates for easier shots.

Rubio may well be a superior passer to Harris or Parker, but he'll have to be a remarkable player to be a superior point guard overall. He could be, but I don't think either the Nets or Spurs would consider dealing Harris or Parker for Rubio, because those two players are already what the team drafting Rubio will hope Rubio becomes in terms of creating offense. Rubio will just do it differently.
 
Rubio led the ACB in steals per 40 minutes when he was 17. His forte probably is his defense.
 
Minstrel said:
Rubio may well be a superior passer to Harris or Parker, but he'll have to be a remarkable player to be a superior point guard overall. He could be, but I don't think either the Nets or Spurs would consider dealing Harris or Parker for Rubio, because those two players are already what the team drafting Rubio will hope Rubio becomes in terms of creating offense. Rubio will just do it differently.
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We are splitting hairs here. While I love Devin Harris - I really think that he has gone from a very nice PG to a great one because of an unconventional system - and that's why I think that as a prospect - I see Rubio as more interesting than him (even if this is not the case for NJN, since they play this system). I agree that the same is true for Parker and SAS - but one has to wonder what happens when Duncan is starting to slow down - all of a sudden a PG that is better at setting others up might be viewed as more attractive.

Overall - I think we say the same thing - Rubio is a superb prospect and one that looks like he will make a nice defensive impact.

Were I KP and were I in position to choose anyone available in this draft (assuming Rubio is going to be in the draft) - Rubio would be my #1 choice.
 
andalusian said:
Were I KP and were I in position to choose anyone available in this draft (assuming Rubio is going to be in the draft) - Rubio would be my #1 choice.
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Yup, same. In fact, if Rubio doesn't enter the draft, I think this draft is extremely uninteresting. Certainly, there will be some very good players to come out of it, but no knock-out prospect without Rubio.
 
Rubio already said he isn't entering this year, he is waiting till 2010, and I would definitely consider Blake Griffin a "knock-out" prospect.
 
I would take Brandon Jennings over him any day of the week.
 
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