Rudy done in the NBA?

[Nikolokolus]

Its not just the Rudy jersey (t-shirt) but I thought he could have been a good roleplayer on this team. oh well.

I think Miller and Camby were fine. both short term solutions though.

Frankly, he still could be, but obviously he wants out, and KP's failure to do something about when he had ample opportunity planted the seeds of all this discontent. That said, Rudy is not acting like a professional and he has to own that part of this debacle.

 

[XXPrimusXX]

ZBO with LMA playing center? then whoever plays better when Oden returns.

As much as I love LMA, that would be a disaster. Zach has no defense to speak of, and in no way can LaMarcus guard NBA Center's. We're not the Phoenix Suns.

That's assuming Oden gets hurt at all in this parallel universe.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

As much as I love LMA, that would be a disaster. Zach has no defense to speak of, and in no way can LaMarcus guard NBA Center's. We're not the Phoenix Suns.

That's assuming Oden gets hurt at all in this parallel universe.

yeah, couldn't be much worse than having Travis Outlaw as our backup PF.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Were talking about the trades that Quick reported that Cho turned down. Quick doesn't know what he turned down, or what other teams turned down as much as the next guy.

That's an ignorant comment. Quick has been wrong many times, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on. He works closer to the team than anyone here, with the exception of HCP. Iavoroni was probably slated to be the coach, but something could have fallen apart at the last minute. I know my infamous "deal coming soon" thread was a last minute debacle.

 

[illmatic99]

Rudy for Xavier Henry? Pretty please...

Would Memphis do that? I read that they are being frugal and not giving him the customary 120% of rookie scale, by making the last 20% into performance bonuses.

 

[hasoos]

You can't trade a player who doesn't want to play in the NBA to another team. What team in their right mind would do that?

Secondly, releasing him from the Blazers only screws the Blazers. We would stil have to pay his salary. We would still have him count towards the cap. On top of it, he could bail to another NBA team with no Blazer control over it. Rudy needs to realize the Blazers have a lot tied up in this too, it's not just about him.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

You can't trade a player who doesn't want to play in the NBA to another team. What team in their right mind would do that?

Secondly, releasing him from the Blazers only screws the Blazers. We would stil have to pay his salary. We would still have him count towards the cap. On top of it, he could bail to another NBA team with no Blazer control over it. Rudy needs to realize the Blazers have a lot tied up in this too, it's not just about him.

The problem with that is, Rudy doesnt give a shit

 

[andalusian]

That's an ignorant comment. Quick has been wrong many times, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on. He works closer to the team than anyone here, with the exception of HCP. Iavoroni was probably slated to be the coach, but something could have fallen apart at the last minute. I know my infamous "deal coming soon" thread was a last minute debacle.

Unless Quick was on the phone call - he does not know what were the offers. Period. He gets filtered information from other teams/agents. In other words, he is just reporting on the agenda someone else has.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Would Memphis do that? I read that they are being frugal and not giving him the customary 120% of rookie scale, by making the last 20% into performance bonuses.

There's frugal, and then there's cheap. Rookie scale deals are inherently value laden for teams and typically pay below market value for player production (especially lottery picks) to cheap out and withhold a meager 20% makes a franchise look pretty fucking stupid.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Rudy doesn't like the politics of the NBA? Sounds like any other disgruntled office employee who couldn't get ahead due to talent and blamed it on office politics.

Not getting a first round draft pick is not going to hurt this team. You guys want to consolidate? Let him sit out a year and go back to Europe. (like he would actually give up the money)

Play hardball with these agents and whiny little bitches. Do not let them get away with these tactics. Let him walk. We are talking about a bench player here.

 

[illmatic99]

There's frugal, and then there's cheap. Rookie scale deals are inherently value laden for teams and typically pay below market value for player production (especially lottery picks) to cheap out and withhold a meager 20% makes a franchise look pretty fucking stupid.

...especially when they committed $80 mil for Rudy Gay just weeks prior.

 

[MickZagger]

That's an ignorant comment. Quick has been wrong many times, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on. He works closer to the team than anyone here, with the exception of HCP. Iavoroni was probably slated to be the coach, but something could have fallen apart at the last minute. I know my infamous "deal coming soon" thread was a last minute debacle.

Pot meet kettle.

The Iavaroni thing just scratches the surface on Quick's ineptness.

As for your infamous, "deal coming soon" thread. That was just you being full of shit, which you have had a tendency to be around here.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Rudy is such a little bitch!

Though, the Blazer management had the entire summer to come up with something and have done nothing about this situation. Way to drag your feet, management.

 

[illmatic99]

Quick coming up on 95.5.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Frankly I'm kind of happy he's planning to sit out. Just imagine if the Blazers gave him his release so he could back to Europe and then the first thing he does is goes to some conference rival in dire need of a shooter and then we get to put up with him deciding that he wants to play up to his potential again.

It sucks that we're losing him for nothing, but when we were reportedly going to be getting James Johnson and a potential late twenties pick, what's the goddamn point? We end up with a player who makes Travis Outlaw look like Jason Kidd, and a reputation as a team that can be bullied into submission by a petulant player.

 

[noknobs]

lol ...

Ah, mid-August on a Blazer's message board.

So I'm new to the party but let me see if I've got it straight - We've lost Rudy for nothing, there's no faith in management, our new GM is too attached to KP's boys, we're run by a bunch of evil suits with pointy ears, our team has gotten worse from 2 years ago, beloved players and Pritchard have been aliented and tossed to the side like garbage, Oden is going to leave next, and the team is on a collision course with oblivion. The franchise now lies in ruins.

Did I miss anything?

Or did a bench player, who we already knew wouldn't be back next season, just once again express publicly that he doesn't want to be here?

Wow. Guess we should all get to the bomb shelter. What with armageddon and all.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Pot meet kettle.

The Iavaroni thing just scratches the surface on Quick's ineptness.

As for your infamous, "deal coming soon" thread. That was just you being full of shit, which you have had a tendency to be around here.

At this point you are really off base, but that's ok. Deal Coming Soon didn't happen, so I look like an ass. I get that.

 

[MickZagger]

At this point you are really off base, but that's ok. Deal Coming Soon didn't happen, so I look like an ass. I get that.

No. You always claiming you have the inside scoop and friends in high places therefore you are "in the know" makes you look like an ass. The deal coming soon thing was just funny, because anybody can say that and this place will go nuts.

 

[illmatic99]

Cho apparently emphatically said to Quick that he will not release Rudy.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Cho apparently emphatically said to Quick that he will not release Rudy.

Good.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Cho apparently emphatically said to Quick that he will not release Rudy.

Good. Let's call his bluff. Having seen Claver, I'm not terribly worried if we scare him off coming over. And as for scaring off "all foreign players" - I don't think Batum has many complaints.

The only trade I heard about had us taking Chicago's James Johnson off their hands. Why should we pay their no-talent scrubs?

I wonder what other NBA GMs think of Rudy after all this. Do they assume it's just hot air/agent-speak, or are they thinking "fuck that guy"?

 

[Mediocre Man]

No. You always claiming you have the inside scoop and friends in high places therefore you are "in the know" makes you look like an ass. The deal coming soon thing was just funny, because anybody can say that and this place will go nuts.

I don't always claim that. I do know 1 or 2 people that do get told things, as do others, but that certainly doesn't mean they are always right. I think what happens is when someone says they heard from a source, that people think it's automatically 100% going to happen, and when it doesn't, they doubt that person. I literally was 100% certain that my deal coming soon was coming soon. I was told by a coupl eof people. It didn't for reasons that I am not sure. I stuck my neck out, and it back fired. oh well?

 

[illmatic99]

Rudy supposedly gave KP a list of teams where he wanted to be traded, and the # of teams was in the 10s, and now, it's down to three: NYK, BOS, and CHI.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Cho apparently emphatically said to Quick that he will not release Rudy.

So this should mean we will be trading Rudy within the hour since Quick knows nothing

 

[MickZagger]

I don't always claim that. I do know 1 or 2 people that do get told things, as do others, but that certainly doesn't mean they are always right. I think what happens is when someone says they heard from a source, that people think it's automatically 100% going to happen, and when it doesn't, they doubt that person. I literally was 100% certain that my deal coming soon was coming soon. I was told by a coupl eof people. It didn't for reasons that I am not sure. I stuck my neck out, and it back fired. oh well?

and your "buddies with connections" know that you go to a message board and "spill the beans"?

What does their job involve that makes them in the know?

Just curious.

 

[Wheels]

"Why would anyone want to hold anyone against their will?" Miller asked. "He's not going to want to practice, he's not going to want to be around his teammates. I mean, if they thought he was difficult when he was contributing, imagine how difficult he will be when he is not."

I'm all for holding him hostage with that stupid comment at the end there.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Good. Let's call his bluff. Having seen Claver, I'm not terribly worried if we scare him off coming over. And as for scaring off "all foreign players" - I don't think Batum has many complaints.

Exactly. If whatever player has enough talent then they should be able to carve out a role on whatever team that they go to. Nic is pretty good evidence that this age old system works the same in Portland just like it works everywhere else (there isn't some anti-euro bias at work here).

I truly believe that the biggest problem with Rudy is that he was such a big fish in smaller pond that his ego couldn't cope with the thought that he might not be a star in the NBA -- he probably sees himself as the guard version of Pau.

 

[Reep]

Cho apparently emphatically said to Quick that he will not release Rudy.

Amen here too. At first I was thinking just send him off to Europe. But after reading his agent's comments about him being intentionally disruptive, let him rot away two of his prime years playing pickup ball. I know it may make the Blazers look bad in one way, but I think any player worth his weight will see what Rudy did and understand.

 

[noknobs]

"Why would anyone want to hold anyone against their will?" Miller asked. "He's not going to want to practice, he's not going to want to be around his teammates. I mean, if they thought he was difficult when he was contributing, imagine how difficult he will be when he is not."

I'm all for holding him hostage with that stupid comment at the end there.

Yeah. And I'd imagine if he's not around the team, he won't be that difficult to deal with. Just fine him and the team plays on. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[BrianFromWA]

The Portland Boys and Girls Club is about to get about $1.2M richer.