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Can he just quit on Portland and go and play in Spain next year? I have to admit I don't really understand how these contracts work.

Anyway, even if not, he does have some leverage. He can threaten to go to the media. He can whine and complain and be a black eye on the team. He can dog it in games and practices. NBA players on contracts do that maneuver in an effort to get traded, and it does work sometimes.

In Rudy's case, it could be even more effective. If he makes a huge spectacle and burns every single bridge in the NBA, he can still go back to Spain and be revered as a superstar. No matter what he does here, people there remember him as a key guy on a Silver Medal team.

FIBA won't allow a player to break one contract in order to play professionally in another country. Rudy will be our property for at least one more year. If, at that point, he is unhappy and still not playing well, the Blazers may decide to not pick up his team option, but I don't think that will happen.
 
Can he just quit on Portland and go and play in Spain next year? I have to admit I don't really understand how these contracts work.

Anyway, even if not, he does have some leverage. He can threaten to go to the media. He can whine and complain and be a black eye on the team. He can dog it in games and practices. NBA players on contracts do that maneuver in an effort to get traded, and it does work sometimes. (See Vince Carter for the ultimate example. But there are lots of guys who've made it so unpleasant to keep them that they get bought out.)

In Rudy's case, it could be an especially effective tactic. If he makes a huge spectacle and burns every single bridge in the NBA, he can still go back to Spain and be revered as a superstar. No matter what he does here, people there remember him as a key guy on a Silver Medal team.

Pretty much, but I don't think he has forsaken the NBA, just Portland. I think Rudy still sees himself as a star on an NBA team. The whole point of this is not what is real, but what Rudy perceives. He does have value, and I think he is going to be the guy that we move this summer. Bayless will be around for a while simply because he's so young and KP won't want to give up on him, but I think we're going to see JB move to the backup shooting guard spot and maybe bring in another point guard prospect.
 
this is common for guys on the bench... and so what? Dude has no leverage to force an out

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I kind of disagree. The Blazers had to do a hard sell on Rudy to get him to come over in the first place; he left tons of money on the table when he could have been making millions more in Europe, and if he asks for a buyout so he can go back to Spain to get the money and PT he wants and the Blazers don't give it to him, he's got a better than average chance of turning into a real locker room cancer.

Yes it's true that he can't force them to buy him out, but the Blazers would be effectively killing their relationship with him if they didn't come to some kind of agreement, which would have ramifications for some of our other Euro draftees like Koponen, Freeland and Claver who would see what is happening and likely influence their decision about whether or not they would ever want to come play here for a Blazers' management that is so difficult to deal with.
 
I'm not saying he does. I'm saying he's unhappy and I don't think he'll be here long term because he won't want to be a career backup to Brandon Roy. You disagree?
3 years is longterm. If he wants a raise prior to the end of his cheap rookie deal, by far his best course of action is to play better and say all the right things. I certainly don't see Brandon Roy as keeping him from earning starter type minutes on this club... in fact I think it's entirely possible that Brandon Nic and Rudy will end up getting the most run of their wings & guards over the next couple of seasons.

living a dream earning millions playing a game he loves, I'd speculate he experiences moments of happiness

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Pretty much, but I don't think he has forsaken the NBA, just Portland. I think Rudy still sees himself as a star on an NBA team. The whole point of this is not what is real, but what Rudy perceives. He does have value, and I think he is going to be the guy that we move this summer. Bayless will be around for a while simply because he's so young and KP won't want to give up on him, but I think we're going to see JB move to the backup shooting guard spot and maybe bring in another point guard prospect.

I completely agree with this. Bayless is a slashing guard with some fair to middling distributions skills for a shooting guard. But asking him to become the guy who sets up the team's bigs or to setup the offense in general seems like a stretch ... and I'm not so sure you can teach NBA level court awareness, just like I don't think you can teach Rudy to go to the hole like Jerryd.
 
I kind of disagree. The Blazers had to do a hard sell on Rudy to get him to come over in the first place; he left tons of money on the table when he could have been making millions more in Europe, and if he asks for a buyout so he can go back to Spain to get the money and PT he wants and the Blazers don't give it to him, he's got a better than average chance of turning into a real locker room cancer.

Yes it's true that he can't force them to buy him out, but the Blazers would be effectively killing their relationship with him if they didn't come to some kind of agreement, which would have ramifications for some of our other Euro draftees like Koponen, Freeland and Claver who would see what is happening and likely influence their decision about whether or not they would ever want to come play here for a Blazers' management that is so difficult to deal with.
dogging it would also likely hurt him on his next deal... cutting off your nose to spite your face sort of stuff. Definitely a far riskier course then doing his best and handling his business internally at appropriate times.

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3 years is longterm. If he wants a raise prior to the end of his cheap rookie deal, by far his best course of action is to play better and say all the right things. I certainly don't see Brandon Roy as keeping him from earning starter type minutes on this club... in fact I think it's entirely possible that Brandon Nic and Rudy will end up getting the most run of their wings & guards over the next couple of seasons.

living a dream earning millions playing a game he loves, I'd speculate he experiences moments of happiness

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More like 2.25 years, and I don't consider that long term. Five to six years is long term. Roy and Aldridge type deals. Rudy is still on his rookie contract, and it's very possible that he will simply go back to Spain in two years if we don't trade him.

Starter type minutes is not the same as starting. Just ask Andre Miller. Some guys want to start. Some guys play better as starters. I think Rudy is one of those guys who want to start. I'm just wondering how much of this stuff is true (the Turkeyglue thing and now this).
 
I hate how this stuff is always leaked to Spanish news outlets. Why can't Quick get the scoop?
 
Bayless is a completely different player. Bayless is the epitome of the American guard: all about individual scoring, pretty clueless about the "team" aspects. Rudy is almost the reverse: he's been unselfish to a fault almost this season, he understands about passing to the open man, he's a creative passer. But on the other hand, his dribbling is weak and he's poor at getting to the basket. However, his skills are much rarer in the NBA than Bayless's.



The Spanish media seem to stir up shit. And if you're Rudy, what do you do? Half of Spain is watching you and seeing you playing poorly and not much. The nicest thing you hear is that Real Madrid is really interested in you. Do you say "no, screw Spain, I want the big bucks over here even if I'm just warming the pine"?

I think your post clarified who is really clueless. Thanks!:devilwink:
 
Banging balls. Yet another symptom of not wearing underwear.
 
I'm just wondering how much of this stuff is true (the Turkeyglue thing and now this).
dont forget brandon rush....and theres another time he said something along the lines of what he said today..i cant remember it exactly, at least i think it happened.
 
More like 2.25 years, and I don't consider that long term.
3.25... the team can make him a qualifying offer during the 2012 offseason. There is a Storyteller link in the top right corner of the page here under the SportsTwo dropdown

http://www.sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?

3+ seasons left on a cheap rookie deal means time (and contract leverage) is very much on Portland's side

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Pretty much every Rudy unhappy story in the past has been total bullshit. Like the one last time where he supposedly went to the locker room pissed off after he was yanked, when it turned out he only went to the locker room to take a whiz.
 
Pretty much every Rudy unhappy story in the past has been total bullshit. Like the one last time where he supposedly went to the locker room pissed off after he was yanked, when it turned out he only went to the locker room to take a whiz.

Except, we supposedly have quotes now. It could be bullshit, but it seems like a stretch that a newspaper (even a European newspaper) would manufacture quotes, which would only seem to create more problems for Rudy than not.
 
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Pretty much every Rudy unhappy story in the past has been total bullshit. Like the one last time where he supposedly went to the locker room pissed off after he was yanked, when it turned out he only went to the locker room to take a whiz.

Really? I never heard that it was just to take a piss? Who refuted that he was angry? I thought Pritchard or someone had to go get him?
 
Really? I never heard that it was just to take a piss? Who refuted that he was angry? I thought Pritchard or someone had to go get him?

It was refuted on one of the afternoon news tidbits on the radio the same afternoon. I can't remember who or when, but basically they said that whole thing was bullshit. They may or may not be lying. It's all just a web of bullshit at this point.
 
I hate how this stuff is always leaked to Spanish news outlets. Why can't Quick get the scoop?

Because there's a very good chance it's bullshit.

I'm telling you people. Marca is a well known REAL MADRID propaganda paper. Madrid use Marca to unsettle European Football stars. They literally will make up quotes by the players, their agents and sometimes even family members and purposefully misinterpret them.

Don't get all riled up about this.
 
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dogging it would also likely hurt him on his next deal... cutting off your nose to spite your face sort of stuff. Definitely a far riskier course then doing his best and handling his business internally at appropriate times.

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I wouldn't mind dealing Rudy at some point during his deal, but doing it now when he's playing like ass, coming off surgery and a summer where he played for Spain would be the definition of selling low.

It's definitely in his own self interest to play well, though.
 
dont forget brandon rush....and theres another time he said something along the lines of what he said today..i cant remember it exactly, at least i think it happened.

Rudy has a pattern now of expressing his displeasure over playing time in the Spanish press. I used to think he had a point, but I really don't see the need to put up with a malcontent player that brings so little to the table on a nightly basis. The longer we wait to move him, the less leverage we have with other teams.
 
Maybe it is his personality and the way he comes across, but I have never got the feeling that Rudy truely likes playing in Ptd. I think it is just a matter of time before he is traded.

(I do get that impression from Batum, so it's not a euro thing)
 
Maybe it is his personality and the way he comes across, but I have never got the feeling that Rudy truely likes playing in Ptd.

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I've always thought the exact opposite. And I've never gotten a centimeter of feeling from Batum one way or another.

it's all our own perspectives I guess.
 
whats rudys contract like? can he just leave with a buyout?
 
whats rudys contract like? can he just leave with a buyout?

No. At least as far as leaving to play basketball is concerned. FIBA teams and NBA teams respect each other's contracts - so a player can not be signed in both places (that's why Portland did not nab him after he was drafted as he was still under contract for DKV).
 
3.25... the team can make him a qualifying offer during the 2012 offseason. There is a Storyteller link in the top right corner of the page here under the SportsTwo dropdown

http://www.sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?

3+ seasons left on a cheap rookie deal means time (and contract leverage) is very much on Portland's side

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You're assuming he takes the qualifying offer, which he might not. The team doesn't have any leverage if he leaves and goes back to Spain in 2.25 years.
 

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