Rudy Rejected our Trade Proposal to New Orleans

[espn_hall_of_famer]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi...andez_rejected_trade_proposal_to_new_orleans/

Nice to know Rudy now controls the show.

 

[THE HCP]

He and his agent have probably just told the Blazers that if they don't send him somewhere he wants to go, they just won't show up! The ball is kinda in their court.

 

[crandc]

So far as I know he has no no-trade or conditional trade clause so how can he reject a trade?

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

So far as I know he has no no-trade or conditional trade clause so how can he reject a trade?

I would guess by New Orleans simply calling his agent and asking if he'll even show up if they trade for him, and his agent saying, "No, Rudy doesn't want to play there so he won't show up". Something along those lines.

 

[THE HCP]

^correct. He makes less then 2m, so his contract is not attractive to other teams. No need to trade for a guy who won't show. I see him being part of a package deal in the future and that's it.

 

[illmatic99]

Uh, he can't reject any deals. He has no say in where he wants to go.

 

[THE HCP]

Uh, he can't reject any deals. He has no say in where he wants to go.

In a weird roundabout way he does.

 

[illmatic99]

If the other team agrees to take him on, he doesn't.

 

[Natebishop3]

Depending on how long ago it was, he might have cost us Collison. If he did..........

Seriously let him rot on the IR for the next two years.

 

[RoyToy]

I thought Cho and the Blazers held all the cards?

Can't believe this is still going on. What you get with a rookie GM I guess.

 

[MickZagger]

If I was Rudy's teammate I would give him the sleeper hold in the locker room just for being such a bitch.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Draco]

If he is rejecting trades out of town then I think it will be fine to just keep him on the roster next season.

I don't understand the urgency some fans have to get rid of Rudy, his value is lower than at any point since he's been drafted. I'd be fine just holding on to him and seeing what happens during the season. Worse case scenario is we get nothing, which is not too far off from the value of many of these proposals.

 

[Further]

If the other team agrees to take him on, he doesn't.

the problem is that no team will agree to take him on unless they believe that he will show up. Rudy is in control.

 

[THE HCP]

the problem is that no team will agree to take him on unless they believe that he will show up. Rudy is in control.

BAM!!!!

 

[anonymous gambler]

First- i'm not sure that the story is even true. Second- in a practical sense, though we can't control what he says to other teams, we always have the option to let him rot- if he refuses to play, we hold his rights indefinitely. He can mess things up, but we definitely have the last say on his career during the best years of his prime.

He can complain non-stop, but he doesn't ultimately control his rights!

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

First- i'm not sure that the story is even true. Second- in a practical sense, though we can't control what he says to other teams, we always have the option to let him rot- if he refuses to play, we hold his rights indefinitely. He can mess things up, but we definitely have the last say on his career during the best years of his prime.

He can complain non-stop, but he doesn't ultimately control his rights!

But he can just sit until the contract is done and then go back to the Euro league, correct? Holding his rights only keeps him from going to another NBA franchise and I thought his heart was really only in playing back overseas (although he'd play for a couple of NBA teams if they are of his liking).

 

[Pinwheel1]

I thought Cho and the Blazers held all the cards?

Can't believe this is still going on. What you get with a rookie GM I guess.

Get real. This is not a Cho thing, this is a Euro thing. Plus for all you know the deal was rejected when KP was GM. But it really makes no difference. Rudy was clear on what type of City he wants to live in and NO does not fit the criteria. He would be better off in Portland. Portland still holds the cards, but Rudy can make it difficult. Which we knew he would.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

Personally, the way I look at it, it could be worse. We could be Denver.

Imagine where Denver is sitting at with Melo holding all the cards. He can pretty much direct where he wants to go and nobody is going to offer anything of equal return when you know the guy is stating his terms. So Denver went from being a legit contender with Portland to win the NW Division and get a top-4 seed, to likely putting Portland all alone at the top of the NW next season. Good for us, but look at how much that hurts them.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Bullshit.

Just sayin'.

 

[Further]

Personally, the way I look at it, it could be worse. We could be Denver.

Imagine where Denver is sitting at with Melo holding all the cards. He can pretty much direct where he wants to go and nobody is going to offer anything of equal return when you know the guy is stating his terms. So Denver went from being a legit contender with Portland to win the NW Division and get a top-4 seed, to likely putting Portland all alone at the top of the NW next season. Good for us, but look at how much that hurts them.

I am not convinced that melo won't end up signing in Denver. Denver has offered him a max 3-year deal if I understand correctly. Melo is a top 10 talent in the league and I am sure wants to get the most he possibly can, a max deal max number of years contract. I am sure he sees that the stike might be coming and he knows that he will likely never be able to earn as much again. So this COULD be a play to squeeze every last penny out of basketball that he can. It could easily mean 20-40million dollars difference than a 3 year deal now and a second contract once that is up with the new CBA and him on the downside of his career.

 

[THE HCP]

No joke about Denver. KMart is slowing down, JR Smith will literally kill somebody this season, Birdman is a head case and their star wants to be traded so his skank wife can become a star! They better hope they can at least get something instead of being crushed like the Cavs.

 

[e_blazer]

Rudy is only in control if he really is fine with missing the next two seasons of his professional career. If he is, and I can't imagine he's really that stupid, then more power to him. I don't see where taking a crap trade for a late first rounder right now is any better than taking one in the future, and I think that option is always available. If Rudy holds out, his value as an NBA player does nothing but diminish, IMO. You can get away with being a diva in the NBA if you have the game to back it up. Rudy doesn't.

 

[Further]

Rudy is only in control if he really is fine with missing the next two seasons of his professional career. If he is, and I can't imagine he's really that stupid, then more power to him. I don't see where taking a crap trade for a late first rounder right now is any better than taking one in the future, and I think that option is always available. If Rudy holds out, his value as an NBA player does nothing but diminish, IMO. You can get away with being a diva in the NBA if you have the game to back it up. Rudy doesn't.

he also knows that if he sits out, the Blazers would most likely let him out of his contract at some point so long as he left the NBA. he knows that the Blazers dont want a cloud of Rudy Rotting taking up two of their seasons. They only have 15 roster slots and Rudy rotting would take one of those up. Also, PA would save a few million by letting him out of his contract. The Blazers may tell him that if he does not agree to a trade, they will let him rot, but my guess is that his agent has already let him know that there is little chance that letting him rot would take up more than half a season. That's just my guess.

 

[e_blazer]

he also knows that if he sits out, the Blazers would most likely let him out of his contract at some point so long as he left the NBA. he knows that the Blazers dont want a cloud of Rudy Rotting taking up two of their seasons. They only have 15 roster slots and Rudy rotting would take one of those up.

There aren't many teams left with cap space to absorb Rudy's contract without sending a player back in a trade, and those that are left aren't teams Rudy would want to go to. Trading Rudy probably does nothing as far as opening up a roster slot.

Also, PA would save a few million by letting him out of his contract.

If Rudy doesn't show up, the Blazers can fine him and end up not paying anything to him while he's holding out.

The Blazers may tell him that if he does not agree to a trade, they will let him rot, but my guess is that his agent has already let him know that there is little chance that letting him rot would take up more than half a season. That's just my guess.

Could be, but my guess is that the Blazers are better off holding onto Rudy until the deadline. After teams start to suffer some injuries or identify shortcomings in their rosters, they're more likely to make better offers for Rudy. He may also fit well into a multi-player deal that may become available for Joel's or Miller's ending contract. I see no advantage to the Blazers in rushing into a deal unless it makes the team better.

 

[Draco]

he also knows that if he sits out, the Blazers would most likely let him out of his contract at some point so long as he left the NBA. he knows that the Blazers dont want a cloud of Rudy Rotting taking up two of their seasons. They only have 15 roster slots and Rudy rotting would take one of those up. Also, PA would save a few million by letting him out of his contract. The Blazers may tell him that if he does not agree to a trade, they will let him rot, but my guess is that his agent has already let him know that there is little chance that letting him rot would take up more than half a season. That's just my guess.

If Rudy holds out than the Blazers don't have to pay him. You are right it would take a roster spot so basically we're losing the chance of signing Patty Mills :|

 

[Further]

If Rudy holds out, but say's it's cause of his back, or something like that, then the Blazers would still have to pay, even if they knew the real reason. Any fines that would tally up to his entire salary would be met in the courts or by an arbitrator and would end up costing the Blazers money in the end. Rudy claims that promises were made to sign him that have not been adhered too, and those claims could allow him to make the assertion that the Blazers were the first in breach of contract. In the end, the Blazers might win, but the press and legal fees would be a price to pay for sure.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

If Rudy holds out than the Blazers don't have to pay him. You are right it would take a roster spot so basically we're losing the chance of signing Patty Mills :|

I don't know about everyone else, but if I knew that the Blazer (already having significantly better PGs in Miller, Bayless and Armon Johnson) were going to sign a waste of a roster slot in Patty Mills when they get rid of Rudy, then please DON'T GET RID OF RUDY. I can't think of a bigger waste of roster space than a 4th PG who has mastered the art of turning the ball over and being OK for garbage time only (which Armon Johnson will do quite nicely for anyway).

 

[Natebishop3]

If Rudy holds out, but say's it's cause of his back, or something like that, then the Blazers would still have to pay, even if they knew the real reason. Any fines that would tally up to his entire salary would be met in the courts or by an arbitrator and would end up costing the Blazers money in the end. Rudy claims that promises were made to sign him that have not been adhered too, and those claims could allow him to make the assertion that the Blazers were the first in breach of contract. In the end, the Blazers might win, but the press and legal fees would be a price to pay for sure.

He would still have to report, and the team could have him looked at by their doctor. If he tried to play the "injured" card, he would still have to be in Portland.

 

[XXPrimusXX]

Agreed.