Rudy starts 2nd half and hey ho what do you know? we win bye double digits

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Nate is doing a great job with this team. He is learning along with the rest of the team.

As far as giving Rudy the credit, I think he was good and certainly added to the win, but this was a team effort. Oden for example played some amazing defense. Roy played poorly through 3, but killed it in the 4th. Even Outlaw had some huge rebounds and a very important 3. LMA played great and seemed to get his confidence back as the game progressed. And blake had a very solid game and hit some needed shots and racked up 7 assists. Rudy and his 7 points on 2 of 7 shooting with 3 turnovers was not the reason we won, but he did get some great steals and blocks.
 
This was a smart decision just to make the defense work, but I think Nic should still get some minutes. I'm still dissapointed that Greg Oden can't get more than a few shots in a game. Again, if that continues next season watch Greg sign somewhere after his rookie contract. I'm confident that Pritchard will push Nate to make Greg a more featured part of the offense, he's too much of an advantage not to.
 
To be fair he was only 2-7 with 7pts.

He did however command a defender at all times, and that really opens things up.

Rudy playing 30+ minutes is a good thing,
 
Can someone tell me the +/- for that lineup at the start of the 3rd quarter, up until Rudy came out? My guess is it's a negative number....
 
RoyToy said:
To be fair he was only 2-7 with 7pts.

He did however command a defender at all times, and that really opens things up.

Rudy playing 30+ minutes is a good thing,
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ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. rudy hitting early was the key because after that battier was forced to play him tight for the rest of the game and he wasn't able to help off on any of our other guys. this opened things up and allowed for a better flow and better shots for everyone involved. also rudy just has a knack for being in the right place at the right time on the basketball floor. his bbiq is through the roof and we are a better team with him on the court. he doesn't get all the credit tonight, and anyone who looks at boxscores wouldn't see it but he was pivitol in this victory. glad nate figured it out after 5/87 games.
 
Tince said:
Can someone tell me the +/- for that lineup at the start of the 3rd quarter, up until Rudy came out? My guess is it's a negative number....
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I guess I can look it up myself...

The 2nd half starting lineup was outscored by 2 points. The starting lineup with Batum outscored Houston by 3.

I like the lineup, but the stats to prove it was any better.
 
BRoy missed about 4 or 5 jumpers in the third when this lineup was in there, but they were shots he'd normally knock down.

He was WIDE OPEN for almost all of them, and I think that had a lot to do with Battier sticking to Rudy.

Props to Nate for finally making the change.
 
Great halftime adjustment by Nate to start Rudy. It just opens up the floor and forces Houston's defense to be honest with everyone on the floor. It's not Batum's fault as he just isn't a good matchup for this series. If we played the Lakers, then we'd need him.
 
Yeah, we played great in the 3rd quarter. Wait, we only scored 14 points. The move was a popular choice and we did seem to get some decent perimeter looks from it, but the results weren't stellar. I expect Rudy to start in game 6.
 
If Roy was healthy tonight, it would have been a blowout. Move Rudy into the starting lineup. He makes such a huge difference when he's in the lineup.
 
Props to Steve Blake too, he was huge for us. I just hope he can perform like this in Houston, he hasn't thus far. If he can, it would give us an excellent chance to win the game.
 
ODENISGOD said:
to bad mccluess didn't figure this out a week ago
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So you are saying he should have benched Nicolas to start the series before seeing what he could do in the playoffs? Jesus, then everyone would have been going ape-shit and calling for Nate's head because our best wing defender wasn't on the court -- pretty hard to make the adjustment until you've seen where it's breaking down
 
AmirIcon said:
Props to Steve Blake too, he was huge for us. I just hope he can perform like this in Houston, he hasn't thus far. If he can, it would give us an excellent chance to win the game.
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Steve Blake's stats in two games at Houston:

10-20 from the field, 100% from the line, 6-12 from three, 6 rebounds, 18 assists, 3 turnovers, and 27 points.

Aaron Brooks also played considerably worse in game 3 and 4.

That isn't performing? What do you expect out of him?
 
As much as I would like to credit Steve for his defense, I also think Brooks has come back to earth finally. The guy was hitting some insane shots in the first two games of the series. He isn't hitting those shots now.
 
Natebishop3 said:
As much as I would like to credit Steve for his defense, I also think Brooks has come back to earth finally. The guy was hitting some insane shots in the first two games of the series. He isn't hitting those shots now.
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I agree, but his defense wasn't worse in games 3 and 4, and you can't expect much more from him offensively that what he produced, so I'm not sure how he could say Blake hasn't performed well in Houston.
 
tince you have fallen into the box score trap. yea sure the "stats" say one thing but anyone watching the game could tell a difference in the shots we were getting with rudy on the court vs him on the bench. i love batum but he isn't effective in this series and we need guys that can keep their best defenders honest. i would still start batum and let him get some run in but that is mostly because the spark rudy/travis can give us off the bench.
 
bigbailes said:
tince you have fallen into the box score trap. yea sure the "stats" say one thing but anyone watching the game could tell a difference in the shots we were getting with rudy on the court vs him on the bench. i love batum but he isn't effective in this series and we need guys that can keep their best defenders honest. i would still start batum and let him get some run in but that is mostly because the spark rudy/travis can give us off the bench.
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Here is what I said...

The move was a popular choice and we did seem to get some decent perimeter looks from it, but the results weren't stellar.
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All I'm pointing out is that we can't say this move really helped us get the win tonight, because we got outscored. I noticed that while being at the game, not looking at the boxscore, I just used the boxscore to confirm what I remembered seeing with my own two eyes. I think we should start Rudy in game 6, but I don't know how anyone could credit a lineup that got outscored, with the reason we won.

I expect a starting lineup with Rudy to give us a better chance to out-score them in the first 6 minutes of each half during game 6, so I'll be fine with the change.
 
Uncle Ty said:
Why should GO be getting more shots? If he want shots, he needs to hit the offensive board harder and create scoring opportunities for himself from broken plays. As much of a GO's fan as I am, I don't think GO deserves to have ANY play ran for him. His offense right now is just crappy. Chuck Hayes was single covering Oden, and Oden couldn't do a thing to Hayes. You can't count on Oden on offense when he can't even score over Hayes! I'd seriously have more confidence going to an Eric Dampier than Oden right now. Just have him play defense and rebound the damn ball. That's all I want out of him right now.
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I agree with you, and it's not hating on Greg. I think Greg will get a couple post moves down in the near future, but 4 points for the team in 15 possessions we went to Oden in the post (my total after pointing out what I remember after each game), isn't going to warrant more touches.
 
Houston is a good matchup to start Rudy and Roy together. Face it, Battier is not much of an offensive threat outside of him hitting spot up 3-pointers. It doesn't take a great defender, and Rudy is close enough in height. That means that Roy is a bit undersized against Artest, but Ron Ron has questionable shot selection and often falls in love with chucking it up from outside as well...not to mention he is streaky as hell. Batum's nice, but he's young and inexperienced, and is sort of like a Battier-in-training (although hopefully he'll be better...I'm talking right now he plays D and takes 3's).

If you can occupy both Battier and Artest, that means they aren't resting to take their shots against Roy one after each other. It also means those guys can't try to cheat and double or plays the passing lanes. For excellent defensive players like Artest and Battier, having to respect the shot of the opposing player really is a huge thing. So I too am in favor of this lineup for Houston.

Against a team like...Cleveland...I wouldn't want Roy having to start with guarding LeBron, that's too much to ask. Most team's with big strong 3's I wouldn't do it against. But Artest, despite the physical tools, doesn't take advantage of them and thus makes himself easier to guard.
 
I would think Houston is going to expect Rudy to start, and I would be shocked if they don't try to post Battier and/or Artest early against Roy and Rudy. They'll post against Roy to try and wear him down, and against Rudy to take advantage of their strength advantage. It will be interesting to see what Nate does if Houston goes to this strategy.
 
Tince said:
Here is what I said...



All I'm pointing out is that we can't say this move really helped us get the win tonight, because we got outscored. I noticed that while being at the game, not looking at the boxscore, I just used the boxscore to confirm what I remembered seeing with my own two eyes. I think we should start Rudy in game 6, but I don't know how anyone could credit a lineup that got outscored, with the reason we won.

I expect a starting lineup with Rudy to give us a better chance to out-score them in the first 6 minutes of each half during game 6, so I'll be fine with the change.
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so if roy had made two of those WIDE OPEN 18 footers than the line-up would have been a success? sometimes the end result doesn't match with what the box score tells you. open shots are open shots and roy is going to knock those down much more often than not.
 
I thought the Blake, Roy, Rudy, LMA, Joel lineup did very well. In fact, I'm pretty sure we had a 10 point lead until Roy went out and Outlaw came in. At that point, the lead diminished.
 
Uncle Ty said:
Why should GO be getting more shots?
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Because it makes the opposition's defense work harder and gives us a better chance at winning? Greg draws fouls, he draws double and triple teams which leaves our guys open.

If he want shots, he needs to hit the offensive board harder and create scoring opportunities for himself from broken plays.
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He doesn't need to do that, nor does he have to. We've seen it on numerous occassions, find Greg off some pick and rolls and let him score a few buckets on the offensive end, and he really gets energized and makes great plays. If you would rather not utilize the type of advantage Greg Oden brings to the team, then don't. Although, it gives us a much better chance to win. I'd certainly rather have him get more shots than more fade-away bullshit Travis Outlaw throws up. Sorry. It's hard to get any type of offense going with 3 field goal attempts.

As much of a GO's fan as I am, I don't think GO deserves to have ANY play ran for him. His offense right now is just crappy. Chuck Hayes was single covering Oden, and Oden couldn't do a thing to Hayes. You can't count on Oden on offense when he can't even score over Hayes! I'd seriously have more confidence going to an Eric Dampier than Oden right now. Just have him play defense and rebound the damn ball. That's all I want out of him right now.
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I wouldn't say it's crappy, although many times it is. I'd say it's inconsistent. Sometimes his hook is falling and he's making nice plays with his footwork, sometimes he's not. Regardless, he draws fouls pretty consistently as well as double teams. Greg took 1 shot on Chuck Hayes and automatically he's a piece of garbage on offense? That's fucking retarded. He killed Dikembe Mutombo who is a much better defender than Chuck Hayes. This notion that Greg shouldn't be getting the ball on offense just doesn't hold up.
 
Tince said:
Steve Blake's stats in two games at Houston:

10-20 from the field, 100% from the line, 6-12 from three, 6 rebounds, 18 assists, 3 turnovers, and 27 points.

Aaron Brooks also played considerably worse in game 3 and 4.

That isn't performing? What do you expect out of him?
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I watch the games, Blake was playing piss poor in the first game in Houston. He played better in the second game.
 
AmirIcon said:
I watch the games, Blake was playing piss poor in the first game in Houston. He played better in the second game.
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Wrong. In Game 3, Blake had 16 points, 10 assists, and only 2 turnovers while holding Aaron Brooks to 3-11 shooting. I'd say Game 3 was his best game. He made ONE mistake, taking the three when he should've found Rudy, but that doesn't erase how well he played up to that point. 16 & 10 is not "piss poor" by any definition.

Learn the game, then post.
 
KingSpeed said:
Learn the game, then post.
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Learn the game? You constantly say Greg Oden sucks yet you have him as your avatar. Please, take your bipolar meds before you put up threads on the board. There is no middle ground with you. Either Greg Oden sucks or he's going to be the best center in the NBA. I've heard both those statements from you, pick one and stick to it instead of bouncing back and forth like a 51/50 patient.
 
bigbailes said:
so if roy had made two of those WIDE OPEN 18 footers than the line-up would have been a success? sometimes the end result doesn't match with what the box score tells you. open shots are open shots and roy is going to knock those down much more often than not.
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Even though I've broke it down for you, it appears you are still failing to understand what I'm saying. I said I expect the outcome with that lineup against Houston to be successful in to future, and I've taken note of the looks it go us. However, to determine if that lineup outplayed their opponent, I do have to look at points scored and points given up. Defense is also a factor, and quite honestly, points scored is what matters most when the score clock reads 00.0.

I also love how you say Roy's shots were WIDE OPEN, which I only recall 1 of the 5 being. The other 4 were clean looks coming off of a pick and roll, where Yao backed off. Houston has been giving him those looks throughout the series, so there is no need to make extreme statements just to try and prove a point.

If you still don't understand that I've now said 3 times, that this lineup gave us better opportunities to outscore them, but did not help us win, you won't get it. We got outscored with that lineup in the game, so unless you want to make a case that getting outscored helps us win games, you don't have a leg to stand on.
 
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