Rumor: 3 Years Probation - 2 Schollies Per Year
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He was hacked
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Seems like an odd thing to post by a hacker, though, especially because the penalty seems so reasonable and in line with the charges.
Sprague works for CSNW, which has close ties to the U of Oregon. I won't be surprised if penalties very close to what was posted on the "hacked" twitter account.
Just saying...
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Scholly limits was all that was Tweeted. I wouldn't be surprised with a few recruiting restrictions as well.
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ah gotcha thanks. I for some reason interpreted that as 3 years probation + 2 Scholarships a year. So like 2 seperate punishments. I'm an idiot lol
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Still think it's all bullshit.
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Could be, but the UO is starting to release docs related to the NCAA investigation, as I posted in another thread.
EDIT - unless you think the entire Lyles thing is bullshit. On that point, I'd agree. The Ducks are going to get some sort of probation because Mack Brown couldn't lock shit down in Texas, and went whining to his media pals about it because LSU and Oregon were both playing a huge game in Texas to kick off the season.
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Yes, I think the whole Willie Lyles thing is bullshit. That's my stance. We're getting dinged for no reason.
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I agree, but right now in the NCAA punishment is the order of the day and we're being punished. The NCAA is reacting to things at USC & Ohio State and we're going to be an example.
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Wait what?!? I thought Canzano said the Lyles scandal could end up costing Chip his job.
These must just be some warm up penalties before the real penalties are announced.
These must just be some warm up penalties before the real penalties are announced.
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Oregon adds to Willie Lyles paper trail through new document release
More documents about NCAA’s investigation of Willie Lyles released
By Adam Jude
The Register-Guard
Published: (Wednesday, Nov 9, 2011 05:01AM) Today
As the NCAA continues its investigation of the Oregon football program’s recruiting practices, the university on Tuesday released a bundle of documents related to the inquiry.
Most of the documents are heavily redacted, but some appear to corroborate claims made by Willie Lyles, the so-called Texas street agent whose ties to both Oregon coaches and recruits is at the heart of the NCAA’s inquiry.
The university released the documents after public records requests were made by The Register-Guard and other news outlets. Some of the records requests were made five months ago.
One item released by the university was a second invoice from Lyles’ Complete Scouting Services. The invoice is dated Feb. 22, 2011 — exactly one year after Lyles shipped Oregon a nearly identical invoice for a “national” recruiting package.
After receiving the first invoice, Oregon paid Lyles $25,000 in March 2010 for recruiting videos and a 143-page package of player profiles that were later proven to be outdated. The university provided copies of that $25,000 check earlier this year, claiming that the payment was for legitimate recruiting services.
Lyles, in interviews with Yahoo Sports and The Register-Guard in July, said Oregon had not paid the second $25,000 invoice.
University officials and coach Chip Kelly have refused comment on the investigation, except to say that they have cooperated with the NCAA.
It’s been almost two months since the NCAA issued Oregon a “notice of inquiry,” which marks the formal start of an investigation. UO President Richard Lariviere was notified of the inquiry via phone in mid-September; the university then made the notice public on Sept. 17, just a few hours before kickoff of Oregon’s home game against Missouri State.
The next step in the process is a “notice of allegations.” According to its guidelines, the NCAA has to provide a status update to the UO within six months of the notice of inquiry.
As of Tuesday, the UO had not received a notice of allegations, university spokesman Phil Weiler said.
The documents released Tuesday confirm that Kelly has been interviewed at least twice by NCAA investigators, first in late March and again in August.
Also released were phone records of Kelly, running backs coach Gary Campbell and recruiting assistant Josh Gibson.
The records show that Kelly and Lyles had four conversations between January and April this year. Kelly had a 12-minute call with Lyles on Feb. 17; less than 90 minutes later, Lyles e-mailed Oregon some recruiting files, documents released by the UO earlier this year show.
Lyles told Yahoo in July that Oregon coaches had “scrambled” in February and wanted him to send the recruiting profiles retroactively.
The last call between Kelly and Lyles this year was a nine-minute call on Feb. 28, four days before Yahoo first reported Oregon’s connection to Lyles. Campbell and Lyles spoke 22 times during the same four-month period at the beginning of this year, including a six-minute call on Feb. 17.
Between January 2010 and June 2011, Gibson and Lyles talked 178 times. They talked for 94 minutes on June 2, at which times Lyles, in earlier interviews, claimed he asked for the second $25,000 payment.
The last two conversations between Gibson and Lyles were on June 14 of this year, for a total of 27 minutes.
At least two Oregon players — Josh Huff and Dior Mathis — not previously believed to be part of the NCAA investigation, were named, either directly or indirectly, in the latest documents.
In an e-mail to Oregon director of compliance Bill Clever on March 21 of this year, Angie Cretors, the NCAA’s associate director of agents, gambling and amateurism activities, asked to interview Huff “due to the fact that he is from Texas. I don’t anticipate his interview lasting as long.”
Another e-mail from Cretors to Clever on May 19 lists as the subject “Mathis unofficial visit docs.”
Pamela Mathis, Dior’s mother from Detroit, also exchanged e-mails with Clever in May to confirm her meeting at a Detroit hotel with Steve Duffin, the NCAA’s associate director of enforcement.
Through September, the university has paid $69,000 to the law firm Bond, Schoeneck & King, which was hired to help the UO through the investigation.
Oregon assistant coaches Campbell, John Neal and Scott Frost were scheduled to be interviewed by NCAA investigators in late March. Three other assistants — Nick Aliotti, Mark Helfrich and Don Pellum — were scheduled to be interviewed in June in the basement of Matthew Knight Arena.
In media interviews last summer, Lyles said he did not steer recruits to Oregon, but he told Yahoo that he believes he was paid for what Oregon “saw as my access and influence with recruits.”
Lyles has been described as a mentor to recruits, including star running back LaMichael James, plus Lache Seastrunk and Dontae Williams, all Texas natives who signed with the Ducks. Seastrunk and Williams have since transferred.
At issue for Oregon is whether the NCAA would deem Lyles a booster for the school because of the payment and because of his involvement with members of the coaching staff, including Kelly, during their recruiting efforts in Texas. If so, his relationship with the players could be construed as violating NCAA rules.
NCAA bylaw 13.02.14 defines a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests” as someone “who is known (or should have been known) by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics administration to ... be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletic department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.”
http://www.registerguard.com/web/sports/27146337-41/lyles-oregon-ncaa-university-recruiting.html.csp
More documents about NCAA’s investigation of Willie Lyles released
By Adam Jude
The Register-Guard
Published: (Wednesday, Nov 9, 2011 05:01AM) Today
As the NCAA continues its investigation of the Oregon football program’s recruiting practices, the university on Tuesday released a bundle of documents related to the inquiry.
Most of the documents are heavily redacted, but some appear to corroborate claims made by Willie Lyles, the so-called Texas street agent whose ties to both Oregon coaches and recruits is at the heart of the NCAA’s inquiry.
The university released the documents after public records requests were made by The Register-Guard and other news outlets. Some of the records requests were made five months ago.
One item released by the university was a second invoice from Lyles’ Complete Scouting Services. The invoice is dated Feb. 22, 2011 — exactly one year after Lyles shipped Oregon a nearly identical invoice for a “national” recruiting package.
After receiving the first invoice, Oregon paid Lyles $25,000 in March 2010 for recruiting videos and a 143-page package of player profiles that were later proven to be outdated. The university provided copies of that $25,000 check earlier this year, claiming that the payment was for legitimate recruiting services.
Lyles, in interviews with Yahoo Sports and The Register-Guard in July, said Oregon had not paid the second $25,000 invoice.
University officials and coach Chip Kelly have refused comment on the investigation, except to say that they have cooperated with the NCAA.
It’s been almost two months since the NCAA issued Oregon a “notice of inquiry,” which marks the formal start of an investigation. UO President Richard Lariviere was notified of the inquiry via phone in mid-September; the university then made the notice public on Sept. 17, just a few hours before kickoff of Oregon’s home game against Missouri State.
The next step in the process is a “notice of allegations.” According to its guidelines, the NCAA has to provide a status update to the UO within six months of the notice of inquiry.
As of Tuesday, the UO had not received a notice of allegations, university spokesman Phil Weiler said.
The documents released Tuesday confirm that Kelly has been interviewed at least twice by NCAA investigators, first in late March and again in August.
Also released were phone records of Kelly, running backs coach Gary Campbell and recruiting assistant Josh Gibson.
The records show that Kelly and Lyles had four conversations between January and April this year. Kelly had a 12-minute call with Lyles on Feb. 17; less than 90 minutes later, Lyles e-mailed Oregon some recruiting files, documents released by the UO earlier this year show.
Lyles told Yahoo in July that Oregon coaches had “scrambled” in February and wanted him to send the recruiting profiles retroactively.
The last call between Kelly and Lyles this year was a nine-minute call on Feb. 28, four days before Yahoo first reported Oregon’s connection to Lyles. Campbell and Lyles spoke 22 times during the same four-month period at the beginning of this year, including a six-minute call on Feb. 17.
Between January 2010 and June 2011, Gibson and Lyles talked 178 times. They talked for 94 minutes on June 2, at which times Lyles, in earlier interviews, claimed he asked for the second $25,000 payment.
The last two conversations between Gibson and Lyles were on June 14 of this year, for a total of 27 minutes.
At least two Oregon players — Josh Huff and Dior Mathis — not previously believed to be part of the NCAA investigation, were named, either directly or indirectly, in the latest documents.
In an e-mail to Oregon director of compliance Bill Clever on March 21 of this year, Angie Cretors, the NCAA’s associate director of agents, gambling and amateurism activities, asked to interview Huff “due to the fact that he is from Texas. I don’t anticipate his interview lasting as long.”
Another e-mail from Cretors to Clever on May 19 lists as the subject “Mathis unofficial visit docs.”
Pamela Mathis, Dior’s mother from Detroit, also exchanged e-mails with Clever in May to confirm her meeting at a Detroit hotel with Steve Duffin, the NCAA’s associate director of enforcement.
Through September, the university has paid $69,000 to the law firm Bond, Schoeneck & King, which was hired to help the UO through the investigation.
Oregon assistant coaches Campbell, John Neal and Scott Frost were scheduled to be interviewed by NCAA investigators in late March. Three other assistants — Nick Aliotti, Mark Helfrich and Don Pellum — were scheduled to be interviewed in June in the basement of Matthew Knight Arena.
In media interviews last summer, Lyles said he did not steer recruits to Oregon, but he told Yahoo that he believes he was paid for what Oregon “saw as my access and influence with recruits.”
Lyles has been described as a mentor to recruits, including star running back LaMichael James, plus Lache Seastrunk and Dontae Williams, all Texas natives who signed with the Ducks. Seastrunk and Williams have since transferred.
At issue for Oregon is whether the NCAA would deem Lyles a booster for the school because of the payment and because of his involvement with members of the coaching staff, including Kelly, during their recruiting efforts in Texas. If so, his relationship with the players could be construed as violating NCAA rules.
NCAA bylaw 13.02.14 defines a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests” as someone “who is known (or should have been known) by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics administration to ... be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletic department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.”
http://www.registerguard.com/web/sports/27146337-41/lyles-oregon-ncaa-university-recruiting.html.csp
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the latest documents reveal that Oregon has paid Bond, Schoeneck & King nearly 70G up to the summer for an internal investigation. This is a firm with lots of experience dealing with schools under a NCAA microscope, and a history of self reporting violations.
Oregon hasn't reported any violations. We shall see if they get dinged
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should as in thats what is deserved? or should as in thats what you know is going to happen?
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Congrats Lyles!!! You're now red flagged throughout the college football world! Your company is DONE!! All for 25k! You're a smart one!
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He's made a lot of predictions on here, yet I can't recall any of them turning out the way he guessed...
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I know... I was just hoping to make another bet, but actually hold him to his loss this time
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I have no intimate knowledge as to what will actually happen. It's just what I think is deserved.
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Tlong, hopefully you know I like you. This is just a question. Is it fair that you admittedly claim you don't have knowledge on what happen, then say we should get a bowl ban?
I've said in the past I will support minor sanctions because, from all I've read, it's a gray area that does to be something that Oregon pushed. What makes me lean towards Oregon more is not my allegiance, it's that Lyles has lied, changed his story and not a single player or players family member (one of the players even left Oregon due to distance/playing time/etc - so he should not hesitate to talk) have backed Lyles story.
I've said in the past I will support minor sanctions because, from all I've read, it's a gray area that does to be something that Oregon pushed. What makes me lean towards Oregon more is not my allegiance, it's that Lyles has lied, changed his story and not a single player or players family member (one of the players even left Oregon due to distance/playing time/etc - so he should not hesitate to talk) have backed Lyles story.
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I claim I don't have knowledge as to what Oregon's punishment will be. I HAVE read the same reports that most others have. I think it's abundantly clear Kelly and the Ducks paid Lyles to steer recruits toward Oregon. What else was the $25K for?
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The reason I say it's a gray area and was just bad business with a bad recruiter (and it's on Oregon to work with more reputable people) is that Lyles set his price - Kelly simply asked for the best package. Oregon was not the only school to pay Lyles and wasn't even the school that paid him the most.
Lyles worked for and accompanied student/athletes/family to other schools in the same way he did for Oregon. Athletes, including a former UO athlete and multiple family members who worked with Lyles said there was no favoritism or pressure.
Some people want heads to roll, but what is it based on? Assumptions of what happen? Kelly handled everything through the AD only asked for the best package. Some people seem to think the handwritten notes are some kind of smoking gun - but what rules does this violate? Assisting with information for official visits?
I don't see it. But, I'll live and accept the NCAA ruling - good or bad.
Lyles worked for and accompanied student/athletes/family to other schools in the same way he did for Oregon. Athletes, including a former UO athlete and multiple family members who worked with Lyles said there was no favoritism or pressure.
Some people want heads to roll, but what is it based on? Assumptions of what happen? Kelly handled everything through the AD only asked for the best package. Some people seem to think the handwritten notes are some kind of smoking gun - but what rules does this violate? Assisting with information for official visits?
I don't see it. But, I'll live and accept the NCAA ruling - good or bad.
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The 25k was for a bitchin Wedding planner... didn't you know Willie is an event planner on the side?
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I am aware of Lyles accompanying recruits to Cal, LSU & USC, but am pretty sure he hasn't been to Oregon in that capacity.
further, through most of the period Lyles was contracted by Oregon, verbal communication constituted an acceptable form of recruiting info... which is why all the phone records have been submitted. When the rules changed during this period he couldn't come up with the proper documentation and so his contract wasn't renewed. Now he's baking bread for a grocery store.
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