Rumor: Blazers discussions with Suns

[Tortimer]

When thinking about Amare's trade value, it's going to be closer to Pau Gasol's than Jason Kidd's. Phoenix has zero leverage.

The only leverage Phoenix might have is that there are at least 5-6 teams bidding each other up to get Amare. If KP really wanted Amare he might have to give up LMA, Bayless and Rlec to outbid everyone. I wouldn't bite and just pass but we will see what KP does.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Wheels just said on The Game that he thinks KP is bluffing and letting the Amare rumors roll to up the cost for other teams and help KP get the player/deal he really wants.

 

[Tortimer]

Wheels just said on The Game that he thinks KP is bluffing and letting the Amare rumors roll to up the cost for other teams and help KP get the player/deal he really wants.

I sure hope Wheels is right and KP is doing another smokescreen.

 

[MIXUM]

I WANT A TRADE BADLY but this one IMO isnt gonna happen

 

[crowTrobot]

he's likely to opt out in 2010 and become an UFA. there is no way in hell we would trade aldridge/bayless for him under those circumstances, so it's not worth worrying about.

 

[BIG Q]

When thinking about Amare's trade value, it's going to be closer to Pau Gasol's than Jason Kidd's. Phoenix has zero leverage.

Here is an Yahoo quote/article that supports this line of thinking;

As Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver reaches out to other NBA owners and proposes his own trade deals for Amare Stoudemire, he could be undermining his franchise’s chance to get the best possible package for the All-Star forward, league sources said.
NBA executives say that Sarver has contacted team owners – including those of the Sacramento Kings and Memphis Grizzlies – in an attempt to broker a deal for Stoudemire. While the Suns’ basketball executives are discussing one possible package with teams, Sarver has, at times, appeared to be pursuing his own agenda.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...?slug=aw-sunstrades021109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[PapaG]

What's this Rudy Gay rumor that Wheels was talking about? I just caught a fraction of it.

 

[crowTrobot]

What's this Rudy Gay rumor that Wheels was talking about? I just caught a fraction of it.

hopefully it doesn't involve us, unless we're stealing him.

 

[Nikolokolus]

What's this Rudy Gay rumor that Wheels was talking about? I just caught a fraction of it.

I wouldn't call it a rumor, more like Wheels' idle speculation about a player that KP has liked. It would be VERY interesting if the Blazers and Grizzlies did swing a deal, sort of proving that business is business.

 

[PapaG]

I wouldn't call it a rumor, more like Wheels' idle speculation about a player that KP has liked. It would be VERY interesting if the Blazers and Grizzlies did swing a deal, sort of proving that business is business.

It's hard to get any deal that isn't a complete roster overhaul to work with Memphis.

Here's the closest I've come up with that doesn't seem like an absolute steal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...5~387&teams=29~29~29~29~22~22~22~22&te=&cash=

 

[Kaydow]

When thinking about Amare's trade value, it's going to be closer to Pau Gasol's than Jason Kidd's. Phoenix has zero leverage.

I wouldn't say "zero". The leverage they DO have is whatever other offers are out there for Amare. Basically, by pitting one team against another they can drive up his value.

 

[crowTrobot]

It's hard to get any deal that isn't a complete roster overhaul to work with Memphis.

Here's the closest I've come up with that doesn't seem like an absolute steal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...5~387&teams=29~29~29~29~22~22~22~22&te=&cash=

that IS an absolute steal, for memphis.

 

[PapaG]

that IS an absolute steal, for memphis.

Maybe, but Gay is a future All-Star SF on a good team, and Memphis brings in players who will be available in FA within a few seasons.

 

[hasoos]

If Amare doesn't like Porter's system . . . wait till he gets a taste of Nate's system and Blake running the fast break.

Its not like he hates the system, what he hates is being behind Shaq in the option cue.

 

[hasoos]

Just a few things to think about with Stoudemire. While exciting to watch in many facets, the things I remember the most are mental mistakes in the conference finals. Getting suspended in the series against the Spurs for one. Committing stupid fouls and keeping himself on the bench in other games. That is the part that makes me have reservations more than anything else, even his knees.

 

[Nikolokolus]

It's hard to get any deal that isn't a complete roster overhaul to work with Memphis.

Here's the closest I've come up with that doesn't seem like an absolute steal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...5~387&teams=29~29~29~29~22~22~22~22&te=&cash=

Well, leave Raef out of the equation. Ike and Channing are both expiring contracts and add up to about 6 million

This is similar to what you put up but takes Raef out of the equation.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...5~387&teams=29~29~29~29~29~22~22~22&te=&cash=

 

[crowTrobot]

Maybe, but Gay is a future All-Star SF on a good team

no, he's an over-hyped inefficient volume shooter who so far has played almost no defense and demonstrated zero leadership ability. there's no indication he will ever be an all-star type player. i'd rather have tyrus thomas.

 

[PapaG]

no, he's an over-hyped inefficient volume shooter who so far has played almost no defense and demonstrated zero leadership ability. there's no indication he will ever be an all-star type player. i'd rather have tyrus thomas.

Meh. I'm just throwing stuff out there, but I think your criticism of Gay is a bit harsh. He's a 19 point/16 shot player offensively. To compare LMA is an 18 point/15 shot player offensively with what should be a more efficient offensive game based on size/position. Gay also only averages one rebound less than LMA for whatever that is worth.

I only use LMA as an example because of the similarities in offensive effinciency. I'm not wild about Rudy Gay, but I've always liked his game and his potential.

 

[PapaG]

Well, leave Raef out of the equation. Ike and Channing are both expiring contracts and add up to about 6 million

This is similar to what you put up but takes Raef out of the equation.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...5~387&teams=29~29~29~29~29~22~22~22&te=&cash=

The benefit of Raef's deal to Memphis is that insurance picks up 80% of the rest of contract due to his injury. It's a much more attractive contract for financially struggling teams such as the Grizz.

 

[Nikolokolus]

The benefit of Raef's deal to Memphis is that insurance picks up 80% of the rest of contract due to his injury. It's a much more attractive contract for financially struggling teams such as the Grizz.

Sure, there's that. But if they're really committed to getting some cap relief from Jaric's deal and assuming they aren't keen on giving Rudy Gay a fat extension over the summer (looks like Mayo might be the new face of the franchise?) they at least get back some cheap young talent to surround OJ with.

I don't claim to have any sense of what Heisley/Wallace are really after considering some of the head scratching moves they've made in the past year or so.

 

[crowTrobot]

Meh. I'm just throwing stuff out there, but I think your criticism of Gay is a bit harsh.

it's a bit harsh in general, but not at all harsh in terms of his performance vs. the stellar reputation he seems to have among many blazer fans. right now there's no indication he's anything more than a younger soon-to-be-much-more-expensive outlaw with a little bit higher upside. he doen't pass much or play any perimeter defense, turns the ball over a lot etc.

He's a 19 point/16 shot player offensively. To compare LMA is an 18 point/15 shot player offensively with what should be a more efficient offensive game based on size/position.

aldridge is also a relatively inefficient shooter, can't argue that. but he is better, more efficient player all-around.

Gay also only averages one rebound less than LMA for whatever that is worth.

comparing his rebounding to aldridge also doesn't say much for him being an all-star talent : )

I'm not wild about Rudy Gay, but I've always liked his game and his potential.

well considering the bad contracts we'd be taking back the trade you proposed is only something someone who is wild about rudy gay would do.

 

[Karl Malone's Elbows]

Well since he's from Arizona I guess we should give Phoenix a little discount. We can just throw him in as filler.

You completely missed the point. I never said anything like that.

 

[JE]

Aldridge AND Bayless???

Those are two guys that Pritchard personally drafted, and whom he thinks have enormous upside. There is no way in hell he would make this deal.

Think about it. Every deal Pritchard has made is lopsided in our favor. This deal would be lopsided in Phoenix' favor. It doesn't even look like a Pritchard deal.

Yeah I really doubt both of them leave Portland (in the same deal at least). Phoenix pretty much has to demand LMA is they're talking Amare with the Blazers, but asking for Bayless is probably a deal killer.

 

[STOMP]

After reading the OP/trade offer, I'm not going to wade through this whole thread. I like Bigs who can defend. Amare doesn't. That LA does play some D and has a nice complimentary offensive game to Roy and Greg, makes the choice to stand pat there pretty easy. They want Bayless too? Next...

STOMP

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Amare wont be a Trail Blazer, so lets all move on to the next rumor.

 

[PapaG]

well considering the bad contracts we'd be taking back the trade you proposed is only something someone who is wild about rudy gay would do.

I was only trying to find a "fair trade" and played around with the trade simulator. I wasn't advocating anything at all, was I?

 

[1 Eye Jack]

How about a 3 team deal where we land Bosh. This deal can be for Sergio or Bayless I'm assuming they'd want our best PG prospect since we'd be taking their starter.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...4~1977~2806&teams=28~21~28~21~22~22&te=&cash=

 

[Reep]

How about a 3 team deal where we land Bosh. This deal can be for Sergio or Bayless I'm assuming they'd want our best PG prospect since we'd be taking their starter.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...4~1977~2806&teams=28~21~28~21~22~22&te=&cash=

That would be pretty ideal. I can't see it going down that way though--only in my dreams.

I'm not sure why it couldn't happen though, especially if Portland added more value to the other teams (Sergio, Outlaw, draft picks). I would be willing to offer more, I just don't know if Toronto would take it. If Toronto thinks Bosh is gone soon, then getting Amare for him and Calderon seems reasonable (with maybe some filler, draft pick, Sergio). Phoenix should like Aldridge for Amare (again you could add a little here).

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Travis in McMinnville , OR:
CBS Sports reports Blazers increased offer by adding Aldridge is this a mistake ( IF true ). Also i was thinking maybe Nate is what Amare needs in a coach. Maybe he can finally break through and get him to play some D.

Steve Kyler:
I like Ken Berger a lot, so I am not going to say he's not getting good information... we were told point blank that LaMarcus was not on the table, and that came from within the Blazers... not saying things haven't changed, because trades are a fluid situation - just saying that story is counter to what we were told... that said I think Nate is a great coach, he and the Blazers roster would do wonders for Amar'e but he has a part in that too, he's gotta commit 100% to what Portland is doing.That is I think the biggest unknown.

I wouldn't trade LMA.
KP drafted LMA, and it sounds like he wouldn't either.

 

[Minstrel]

he's likely to opt out in 2010 and become an UFA.

He's going to opt out in order to get a bigger contract. Since no one can offer him a contract as large as Portland can, the overwhelming likelihood is that he'd re-sign in Portland. There's a risk there, but not a very large one, IMO.

Pre-requisite to the deal, Pritchard can get permission to talk to Stoudemire. He can't get a legally-binding commitment, of course, but he can at least see if Stoudemire has any reservations about being in Portland or playing for Nate or playing with Oden and Roy. If none of those things are an issue to Stoudemire, I think the risk of Stoudemire bolting (for less money) is pretty tiny.