Rumor from Phila radio: Iguodala to PDX deal nixed

[illmatic99]

I didn't catch this interview in particular, but fwiw: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1125684

Anthony Gargano said on WIP that multiple league sources told him the Sixers had agreed to a trade with Golden State to trade Iguodala for Monta Ellis. The new ownership nixed that deal. Then they agreed to trade him for Wes Matthews and Marcus Camby from Portland. The ownership nixed that deal.

He said Thorn is denying it, but he knows it is true by talking to sources.

 

[julius]

I assume this was from pre-stoppage?

If I was the 76ers, I'd nix the Blazer trade too. Not that I think Iguodala is the cats meow (actually, I don't like him much), but if I could maybe get Monta Ellis, I would hope I could get better then Matthews and Camby.

Unless they're wanting ending contracts (Camby) and a relatively small contract (Matthews).

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Buh Bye to Roy if we had gotten Andre Iguodala.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Buh Bye to Roy if we had gotten Andre Iguodala.

I have a lot of mixed emotions about Iguodala. On D he is a SG. On O he is an undersized SF. But unless you actually trade him for Roy there is no sense in getting him. Neither one will be worth 16 million in 3 years. Having both will be impossible under a new CBA.

I love his athletic game. But I don't like his lack of a jump shot. Not for that kind of money. That's why Philly wants to get rid of him. Regardless I would still trade Wes and Camby for him . Nothing to lose.

 

[Minstrel]

I have a lot of mixed emotions about Iguodala. On D he is a SG. On O he is an undersized SF.

In what way is he an "undersized SF" on offense? He's an excellent ball-handler and passer, which means he's a fine fit as a guard. And defensively, he's not at all limited to shooting guard.

The names on this list are hardly all shooting guards. He's perhaps the premier wing defender in the NBA right now.

 

[Rhal]

I have a lot of mixed emotions about Iguodala. On D he is a SG. On O he is an undersized SF. But unless you actually trade him for Roy there is no sense in getting him. Neither one will be worth 16 million in 3 years. Having both will be impossible under a new CBA.

I love his athletic game. But I don't like his lack of a jump shot. Not for that kind of money. That's why Philly wants to get rid of him. Regardless I would still trade Wes and Camby for him . Nothing to lose.

on D he is a wing defender, he can guard either the 2 or the 3 and is one of if not the best wing defender in the league. If we had gotten him having him and Wallace as the 2 and 3 would mean we would have to change our style of play. This shoot 3's and pray we hit at a 35% BS wouldn't come close to being efficient. Actually it seems it was rather inefficient last season too.

 

[Pinwheel1]

OK he is not an undersized SF. He is simply a SF.

I agree, he can guard a lot of different types of players. I love his D. But becasue he lacks a consistent jump shot and he can't post up bigger SF's I still would classify him at 6'6' as a undersized SF on the offensive end. But again i would still take him.

But I don't think he fits in with every team. For example if he played SF along side of Wallace, LMA and Oden they would see a lot of zone in the playoffs. With Batum he would fit in better.

You either surround him with a PG and a SF who could sroke it from the outside, or you play him at SF IMO
And of course you would have to run.

 

[jlprk]

He would take Rudy's minutes.

Last season, Rudy averaged 23.3 mpg.

Iguodala averaged 36.9 mpg (because he was injured; in the 4 seasons before he got 39.7 mpg). With Roy returning, who will give up the difference (14 mpg plus the increase in Roy's minutes)?

Our only player to get 36 mpg was Aldridge at 39.6 mpg, and that was only because Camby and Pendergraph were out (and because we stupidly got rid of Juwan Howard).

 

[Ed O]

This might be a deal that could be revisited after the lockout...

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

OK he is not an undersized SF. He is simply a SF.

Except he has the handle and passing skills of a guard, so I still don't see why you believe he can't play shooting guard.

It's true that he's not a great three-point shooter (though he's not terrible either, he's simply a bit below average), but that's less than ideal from any perimeter spot...it doesn't disqualify him from either position. And he's good to great at virtually every other aspect of the game.

 

[Rhal]

Except he has the handle and passing skills of a guard, so I still don't see why you believe he can't play shooting guard.

It's true that he's not a great three-point shooter (though he's not terrible either, he's simply a bit below average), but that's less than ideal from any perimeter spot...it doesn't disqualify him from either position. And he's good to great at virtually every other aspect of the game.

He spends most of his time at SG. Last season they wanted to groom Turner so he played more time at SF then he regularly would. He is a SG who can play SF not a SF who can play SG.

 

[jlprk]

As I showed above, as a Blazer, Iggy would lose a third of the minutes to which he's accustomed.

Almost all players lose more than a third of their effectiveness when they lose a third of their minutes. That makes him no better than the man he replaces, Rudy.

Increase Rudy's minutes 50% to Iggy's minutes and Rudy would feel the confidence and start making his shots.

 

[Rhal]

As I showed above, as a Blazer, Iggy would lose a third of the minutes to which he's accustomed.

Almost all players lose more than a third of their effectiveness when they lose a third of their minutes. That makes him no better than the man he replaces, Rudy.

Increase Rudy's minutes 50% to Iggy's minutes and Rudy would feel the confidence and start making his shots.

If the trade goes down like it was rumored Iggy would be our starting SG. He would still average 30+. Onto the Rudy point they are completely different players. Iggy has better D is a better playmaker/rebounder and is much more athletic but his outside shot, well to put it bluntly is about as consistent as Roy was in the playoffs. The only thing Rudy has on Iggy is his shooting ability which last season wasn't there.

 

[Denny Crane]

If money and cap situation were no object, this deal would be a huge win for the Blazers.

The money and cap situation are up in the air at this point.

 

[jlprk]

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[Denny Crane]

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[jlprk]

If the trade goes down like it was rumored Iggy would be our starting SG. He would still average 30+. Onto the Rudy point they are completely different players. Iggy has better D is a better playmaker/rebounder and is much more athletic but his outside shot, well to put it bluntly is about as consistent as Roy was in the playoffs. The only thing Rudy has on Iggy is his shooting ability which last season wasn't there.

So Iggy loses almost a fourth of the minutes he's used to (40), and Matthews loses a third of last year's minutes (33.6). To balance that (10 + 11), we gain Rudy's minutes (23.3). That leaves 2 more minutes for Roy, since he was shorted last year due to the transition in his skills.

So Iggy and Matthews each lose a third or a fourth of their minutes as they share the position. Will this make them less effective per minute?

I'm just saying that Iggy has always gotten a lot of minutes and is not used to being put in and out of games. Not being a high volume player might lose him his league stardom and move him closer to Rudy and Matthews.

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[jlprk]

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[Denny Crane]

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[jlprk]

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[jlprk]

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[Denny Crane]

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[jlprk]

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[Denny Crane]

I found the post I wanted (with a link I wanted to a 3-year old article) and just posted it to the OT board. I looked up "3-year" and "three-year." I knew it was one or the other, but had hoped to simplify the search by just looking for "year" since I didn't remember whether I had used the numeral or the word, or whether I had included the hyphen. (That's a search of 4 permutations. So I was just trying "year.") I succeeded also because I didn't specify my own screen name, which never seems to work.

You say if I click Remember Me, I am logged in for months? So the FBI can see my bank reconciliation on the spreadsheet? I'll have to stop getting my fatwahs from Abdul in Qatar.

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[jlprk]

It's just a spreadsheet I keep of my money, not a bank site.

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[Mediocre Man]

Would have been a great trade for Portland if it had happened. Thorn is the Devil when it comes to deals though. They always seem to break down at the last minute for whatever reason

 

[STOMP]

Buh Bye to Roy if we had gotten Andre Iguodala.

that writing is on the wall regardless of other roster moves... likely the team was aware of this last offseason when they targeted Wesley. They probably use the expected amnesty/waiver on him, but regardless what sort of minutes/role can be expected of him in his state?

So Iggy loses almost a fourth of the minutes he's used to (40), and Matthews loses a third of last year's minutes (33.6). To balance that (10 + 11), we gain Rudy's minutes (23.3). That leaves 2 more minutes for Roy, since he was shorted last year due to the transition in his skills.

So Iggy and Matthews each lose a third or a fourth of their minutes as they share the position. Will this make them less effective per minute?

the trade had Wesley (& Camby) going to Phili. Had it gone through, Iguadala would have mainly been competing with Batum & Gerald for the wing minutes with GW picking up a good chunk of his time at PF.

No Camby would leave the frontcourt thin as Greg isn't supposed to be back until December or so, but that wing D would be pretty much lockdown

STOMP

 

[illmatic99]

FWIW, Wesley compares very favorably to Iggy, considering he has only been in the league for two years.

 

[Draco]

So Iggy loses almost a fourth of the minutes he's used to (40), and Matthews loses a third of last year's minutes (33.6). To balance that (10 + 11), we gain Rudy's minutes (23.3). That leaves 2 more minutes for Roy, since he was shorted last year due to the transition in his skills.

In the proposed trade Matthews minutes with the Blazers would be reduced to 0 since he would be on Philly.

If we got Iggy he would have plenty of minutes on this team, just as Gerald had plenty last year even for the few games he backed up Batum. Iggy would be our 3rd best player, the coach is easily going to find ways to keep him on the floor.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Our lineup until Oden came back could be Felton/Iggy/Batum/Crash/LMA. That's a hounding-D, run-till-you-drop monster.

You could bring in Roy and a couple of shooters (Nolan? Babbitt? ) to give the other guys some rest, but you'd need one or two backup bigs to not kill LMA and Wallace. And I don't mean Pendergraph.