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Dwyane Wade was NBA Finals in MVP in his third season. If we draft a guy who can grow that quickly, we do it.
 
illmatic99 said:
The template has been Barnes. Dude played like 35 mpg in the playoffs.

How about Herb Jones averaging almost 40 mpg in the playoffs?
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Even a player like Batum was helpful to us in his rookie year. Roy was like a #7 pick, right? Would Dame not be able to wait a couple years for a Brandon Roy type player to realize his potential?
 
illmatic99 said:
The template has been Barnes. Dude played like 35 mpg in the playoffs.

How about Herb Jones averaging almost 40 mpg in the playoffs?
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for every herb Jones and Scottie Barnes there three dudes sitting at the end of the bench waving a towel. If they contribute great. But to expect them to fill immediate needs is wild.
 
Scalma said:
for every herb Jones and Scottie Barnes there three dudes sitting at the end of the bench waving a towel. If they contribute great. But to expect them to fill immediate needs is wild.
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Yeah we want the Herb Jones and Scottie Barnes types then. Or a future All Star 2-3 years down the road. Dame can wait 2 years for a legit star teammate from this draft.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
If you can get a guy that is All Star in a couple years, you do it. Dame will still be here.
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Yes, but possibly on the downside of his career. I personally think it’s foolish to try to rebuild the team with young guys. We need veterans and probably another star to have any chance of winning a title.
 
Scalma said:
for every herb Jones and Scottie Barnes there three dudes sitting at the end of the bench waving a towel. If they contribute great. But to expect them to fill immediate needs is wild.
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Of the guys drafted in the lottery in 2021, only 6 guys were on teams that finished at least in the play-in.

3 - Mobley
4 - Barnes
7 - Kuminga
10 - Zaire Williams
12 - Primo
14 - Moody

At least half of them got meaningful minutes in big games down the stretch. Hell, Moody is apparently a regular in the rotation now in the WCF. Steve Kerr is messing around with Kuminga's minutes but I think he'd have contributed as well. Primo is really the only one who didn't play much.

Extending a bit further to year 2 players drafted in the lottery:

1- Edwards
3 - Ball
4 - Pat Williams
5 - Okoro
6- Okongwu
11 - Vassell
12 - Halliburt0n

7 of the 15 played big minutes (not to mention Bane (30), Maxey (21), and Bey (19) all also were big contributors to their teams).

I think a sweeping generalization that all youngins don't make meaningful contributions is not necessary. We just need to find the right guys who can. If you approximate that about a third of the guys in each first round play and contribute early on in their careers in every draft, landing one of them with the #7 spot is not much of an ask.
 
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And to be clear, I don't need our rookie playing 30+ mpg.

My expectation is about 20-25 mpg while bringing a skill we are currently lacking
 
Voodoo said:
Who do you want this year @STOMP?
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I haven't settled on a single guy yet & who knows I may not this year. I'm trying to keep an open mind and pour over each guy's tape and interviews. Little things like personal anecdotes that reveal character often sink or raise a prospect in my eyes. Duren is standing out to me as better then where he's currently projected by the mocks though. Physically I see him as a high ceiling modern Big who can both do big man things and reasonably switch off onto smaller players which vastly improves a team's D. But maybe he's a self absorbed dickhead who teammates only tolerate?

STOMP
 
illmatic99 said:
Of the guys drafted in the lottery in 2021, only 6 guys were on teams that finished at least in the play-in.

3 - Mobley
4 - Barnes
7 - Kuminga
10 - Zaire Williams
12 - Primo
14 - Moody

At least half of them got meaningful minutes in big games down the stretch. Hell, Moody is apparently a regular in the rotation now in the WCF. Steve Kerr is messing around with Kuminga's minutes but I think he'd have contributed as well. Primo is really the only one who didn't play much.
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Warriors are also without Payton and Iggy.

Anyways the point is you don’t draft for need, like ever. Take the best talent and if he contributes immediately cool. But that’s a bonus, you definitely don’t build your playoff roster expecting a rookie to be part of the rotation.
 
Back to the topic of the OP:

https://theathletic.com/3326340/2022/05/23/2022-nba-draft-combine/

They compiled a list:

Bennedict Mathurin
Patrick Baldwin Jr.
MarJon Beauchamp
Josh Minott Jr.

Also:

— Jeremy Sochan was already a likely lottery pick, but talks with NBA executives revealed just how popular he is. The versatile Baylor forward, intriguing for his length and defensive skill, is considered likely to be gone by the late lottery, according to several NBA executives. One team executive put his floor at the No. 12 pick. The New Orleans Pelicans and Denver Nuggets are believed to have interest in Sochan, while the San Antonio Spurs are considered a strong fit for him.

— This draft has the potential for some unexpected twists and turns. The belief among NBA executives and scouts is that picks Nos. 4 and 7, held by the Kings and Blazers, could be available in a trade. The top three picks are unsettled, and there are proponents for both Chet Holmgren and Jabari Smith Jr. to go first overall next month. That has the potential for a chaotic top 10, which would have trickle-down effects.
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah, no rookies ever help right away. Dame definitely didn't average 19ppg as the 6th pick.
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This dude is using Dame as an example, really?

Jan Vesely
Ekpe Udoh
Jonny Flynn
Yi
All are on Line #6 waiting to speak to you.
Oh, I forgot we have the 7th pick. I think it's safe to say that Dame doesn't expect this pick to turn out like he did. He doesn't want to wait a couple years for help.
 
I don't see a championship in Dame era but due see a competitive team though. Trading draft picks for veterans don't guarantee you anything especially when you got top 10 pick that might help you before the season ends.
 
THE HCP said:
This dude is using Dame as an example, really?

Jan Vesely
Ekpe Udoh
Jonny Flynn
Yi
All are on Line #6 waiting to speak to you.
Oh, I forgot we have the 7th pick. I think it's safe to say that Dame doesn't expect this pick to turn out like he did. He doesn't want to wait a couple years for help.
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you don't gauge by past #7 picks, you gauge by who was available at #7

last year:

Jonathan Kuminga
Franz Wagner
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Alperen Şengün
Tre Mann
Bones Hyland
Herbert Jones

the year before:

Killian Hayes
Jalen Smith
Tyrese Haliburton
Cole Anthony
Isaiah Stewart
Saddiq Bey
Tyrese Maxey
Immanuel Quickley
Desmond Bane

the year before that

Coby White
Jaxson Hayes
Rui Hachimura
Cam Reddish
Cameron Johnson
P.J. Washington
Tyler Herro
Matisse Thybulle
Brandon Clarke
Jordan Poole
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.

and before that:

Wendell Carter Jr.
Collin Sexton
Mikal Bridges
Kentucky
Miles Bridges
Michael Porter Jr.
Kevin Huerter
Anfernee Simons
Landry Shamet
Robert Williams
Jalen Brunson
Devonte' Graham
Mitchell Robinson
Gary Trent Jr.
Shake Milton

and finally, before that in olshey's brain dead June:

Lauri Markkanen
Luke Kennard
Donovan Mitchell
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Jarrett Allen
OG Anunoby
Kyle Kuzma
Derrick White
Josh Hart
Thomas Bryant
Dillon Brooks

in 2009, Stephen Curry, Demar Derozan, and Jrue Holiday were taken at 7 or later.; Paul George was taken at 10; in 2011, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nicola Vucevic', Tobias Haris, Jimmy Butler, & Bohan Bogdanovic' were taken 7 or later. Khris Middleton was drafte in the 2nd round, one slot ahead of Will Barton. In 2013, CJ, Steven Adams, Giannis, and Gobert were drafted after 6; in 2014 it was Julius Randle, Zach LaVine, Nurkic, Clint Capela, Joe Harris, Spenser Dinwiddie, Grant, Nikola Jokic, & Dwight Powell. Myles Turner at 11 and Devin Booker at 14. Sabonis, Caris Levert, Siakam and Dejounte Murray




 
Already chatter of this draft being “better and deeper than expected”, lol.

EVERY. YEAR.
NOT. SWAYED.
 
wizenheimer said:
you don't gauge by past #7 picks, you gauge by who was available at #7

last year:

Jonathan Kuminga
Franz Wagner
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Alperen Şengün
Tre Mann
Bones Hyland
Herbert Jones

the year before:

Killian Hayes
Jalen Smith
Tyrese Haliburton
Cole Anthony
Isaiah Stewart
Saddiq Bey
Tyrese Maxey
Immanuel Quickley
Desmond Bane

the year before that

Coby White
Jaxson Hayes
Rui Hachimura
Cam Reddish
Cameron Johnson
P.J. Washington
Tyler Herro
Matisse Thybulle
Brandon Clarke
Jordan Poole
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.

and before that:

Wendell Carter Jr.
Collin Sexton
Mikal Bridges
Kentucky
Miles Bridges
Michael Porter Jr.
Kevin Huerter
Anfernee Simons
Landry Shamet
Robert Williams
Jalen Brunson
Devonte' Graham
Mitchell Robinson
Gary Trent Jr.
Shake Milton

and finally, before that in olshey's brain dead June:

Lauri Markkanen
Luke Kennard
Donovan Mitchell
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Jarrett Allen
OG Anunoby
Kyle Kuzma
Derrick White
Josh Hart
Thomas Bryant
Dillon Brooks

in 2009, Stephen Curry, Demar Derozan, and Jrue Holiday were taken at 7 or later.; Paul George was taken at 10; in 2011, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nicola Vucevic', Tobias Haris, Jimmy Butler, & Bohan Bogdanovic' were taken 7 or later. Khris Middleton was drafte in the 2nd round, one slot ahead of Will Barton. In 2013, CJ, Steven Adams, Giannis, and Gobert were drafted after 6; in 2014 it was Julius Randle, Zach LaVine, Nurkic, Clint Capela, Joe Harris, Spenser Dinwiddie, Grant, Nikola Jokic, & Dwight Powell. Myles Turner at 11 and Devin Booker at 14. Sabonis, Caris Levert, Siakam and Dejounte Murray
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That would tend to make one think the shotgun approach is best. So, it would really be dumb to trade a 15 and a 20 for a 10, yes?
 
BTW, don't think San Antonio will trade up to 7 to insure getting Sochan. They'll just wait for him to fall in their lap.
 
Bingo Bango said:
Yes, but possibly on the downside of his career. I personally think it’s foolish to try to rebuild the team with young guys. We need veterans and probably another star to have any chance of winning a title.
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This #7 pick could be the other star. Dirk was 33 when he won a title without an All Star teammate. We can afford to be patient unless you can trade #7 for an All Star.
 
Tyler Herro, as a rookie, was a major player in Miami’s run to the Finals in 2020.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
This #7 pick could be the other star. Dirk was 33 when he won a title without an All Star teammate. We can afford to be patient unless you can trade #7 for an All Star.
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Jason Kidd was a bona fide allstar on that team and they had the 6 man of the year in Terry.....Finley...Tyson Chandler....that was not a weak roster in my view.
 
No way, so what you guys are saying is a rookie can have a positive impact on a team?


Wonder how many haven't?
 
THE HCP said:
No way, so what you guys are saying is a rookie can have a positive impact on a team?


Wonder how many haven't?
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Wonder how many more would have had it not been for stubborn coaches who chose the likes of Anthony Tolliver and Mario Hezonja to take minutes from your first round pick.

There is a tradition of these coaches.
 
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THE HCP said:
No way, so what you guys are saying is a rookie can have a positive impact on a team?


Wonder how many haven't?
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“Can” doesn’t mean “will”.

It doesn’t mean it’s likely or probable. It means it’s possible.

So yes, a rookie “can” have a positive impact on a team. It is not IMPOSSIBLE.
 
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