Rush wants to be an NFL owner...

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Right, but again, what differenec does it make if Al Sharpton criticizes him? how is that hurting his bid to be an owner? Do you think Al Sharpton is successful in everything he does? What exactly is your point there? Where are the deeply hateful libs IN THE NFL that are keeping him out? That are discriminating against him? Where?

RR7, various people led the charge against him for the sole reason he's a mainstream media farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr right conservative. That's it. It's been well documented and I haven't the time to google it as I'm trying to post while I'm working (hey, the boss ain't here so I have some extra posting time).

I'm waiting for someone to defend hate for the sake of hate. That's the issue. People can dance around it all they want, but that's still the issue. It's all about hate and gloating about it. Not for me.

 

[RR7]

Yes, various people led the charge against him. Because they, like him, mak their living off of being divisive. They don't vote on who runs a team. You seem to think that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and anyone else in the media who came out against him had a vote in it. As far as I saw, one owner who actually had a vote came out and said he would vote against it. And he's donate dmore money to republicans than he has to democrats, for all that matters.

Nobody is defnding hate for the sake of hate. That isn't the issue. The issue is one NFL owner came out and said he would vote against it. It is likely others would have as well, because of the sometimes inflammatory comments that Rush Limbaugh makes, that could easily be construed as negative by some portions of the population. because of this divisiveness, they could fear losing money through sponsorship deals or other money streams. It did not come to a vote, however, as Checketts realized he might not get enough votes, so he got rid of Limbaugh off of his ownership group. There was no discrimination. There was no hate by anyone that actually matters. Nobody is glaoting about hate. You seem to be complwetely missing the point on this, and insist on believeing Jackson and Sharpton seemingly run the NFL, or have a say in how its owners vote.

 

[STOMP]

What a load of crap. Rush would be a minority owner of a nowhere team. This is descrimination at it's very worst- pure & simple. It's a liberal's world right now and libs are a deeply hateful group- as they have again proven here.

judging from your other paranoid delusional posts in this thread believe me I'm not surprised you disagree with me. The liberal boogieman is out to get you BP...

be afraid, very afraid ooooooooooOOOOOOoooo

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

I'm waiting for someone to defend hate for the sake of hate.

project much? Thats not even close to what Goodell or posters have stated.

You're going to be waiting a long time...

STOMP

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

judging from your other paranoid delusional posts in this thread believe me I'm not surprised you disagree with me. The liberal boogieman is out to get you BP...

be afraid, very afraid ooooooooooOOOOOOoooo

STOMP

STOMP, I'm a moderate. I vote fopr dems, republicans and independents (no libertarians yet). So you can cut the sanctimonious bs routine as you have the wrong person.

What I am for is fairness to all. Being a moderate allows me the freedom to be intellectually honest and without hate. Something the far left & right cannot be by their very pursuasion.

Ya know, for all the libs here who want to spin their hate, just mail it in.

 

[STOMP]

STOMP, I'm a moderate. I vote fopr dems, republicans and independents (no libertarians yet). So you can cut the sanctimonious bs routine as you have the wrong person.

I'm 42 and have voted in every election I could... I've voted for a Dem exactly one time more then I have the Pubs. Pot meet kettle, and lol at you calling anyone sanctimonious. Your hypocrisy runs deep.

What I am for is fairness to all. Being a moderate allows me the freedom to be intellectually honest and without hate. Something the far left & right cannot be by their very pursuasion.

you're the new Maytag man waiting on a dilution. Good luck with that

STOMP

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I'm 42 and have voted in every election I could... I've voted for a Dem exactly one time more then I have the Pubs. Pot meet kettle, and lol at you calling anyone sanctimonious. Your hypocrisy runs deep.STOMP

In that case, I apologize.

 

[mook]

I don't think "hate" really plays into this at all. Limbaugh is an asshole. A Grade-A, extremely highly publicized asshole. Nobody really disputes this. He himself would admit that he's incredibly obnoxious to a lot of people.

It's not discrimination or hate that kept him from this position. If Kanye West wanted to own a team, he'd almost certainly get shot down too.

Self-publicizing asshole egomaniacs aren't always bad for business. In this particular case, though, they are.

 

[mook]

Just remember your position the next time a company is sued for discrimination, because that's become your stance.

I've got no problem with that. Any business should be free to hire or fire anybody based on the person's level of being an asshole.

 

[STOMP]

accepted... your gesture is appreciated.

btw, usually I've voted for a 3rd party candidate for president (from Nader to Perot... twice) as I don't think our overall system represents me well at all. Politically I'm against the lobbyist system we have and would like to get the money rooted out... their dollars run both parties making the policies down to inserting the pork. I've registered both as a Republican and a Democrat in the past when I've wanted to vote in primaries, but am currently not affiliated with either. I find those who always vote down the party line to be

STOMP

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

accepted... your gesture is appreciated.

btw, usually I've voted for a 3rd party candidate for president (from Nader to Perot... twice) as I don't think our overall system represents me well at all. Politically I'm against the lobbyist system we have and would like to get the money rooted out... their dollars run both parties making the policies down to inserting the pork. I've registered both as a Republican and a Democrat in the past when I've wanted to vote in primaries, but am currently not affiliated with either. I find those who always vote down the party line to be

STOMP

Agreed.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Politically I'm against the lobbyist system we have and would like to get the money rooted out... their dollars run both parties making the policies down to inserting the pork.

I agree. Its not more about voting for bills that benefit special interests rather than "for the people".

I think congressmen should vote for what benefits America, its people, and their constituents most, not where the money is (coming from). So i'm absolutely for getting lobbyists out of there, and big corporate donations to buy votes.

 

[barfo]

No, and you know I wasn't saying that. The point was, is, and always will be crystal clear. When controversial conservatives who are in the spotlight want to do something like this, there are always deeply hateful (hateful from the heart) libs who feel it their calling to shoot them down.

Please explain how Sharpton and Jackson, the two you named, kept Rush from being able to buy a stake in the team. Specifically, how did they accomplish this. Saying that they are haters is, while arguably true, not evidence that they had influence over this decision by the NFL.

Rush's politics have nothing to do with being a small stake owner of an NFL team. You know it, I know it, Sharpton knows it... everyone knows it. But those dishonest of chatacter due to politics just don't have the morality or guts to call something fair when it is.

Again, show some evidence that it was anyone other than the NFL that made this decision, or show that the NFL ownership is made up of hateful libs.

Watching people hate for the sole reason for being hateful is really not pretty. It's easily the #1 problem in the country. Blantant bigotry. And then, to make matters worse, people are left to defend their hatred. I don't know which is worse.

What's that expression about cookware being described as African-American? I think it might apply here.

barfo

 

[maxiep]

http://online.wsj.com/article_email...75681181683914-lMyQjAxMDA5MDEwNzExNDcyWj.html

 

[Denny Crane]

He was given a chance to be a commentator and blew it. I don't see why the NFL has any obligation to accept him as an owner. Even if they give guys like Michael Vick a second chance... (Vick's done a lot more for the NFL than Limbaugh, as I see it).

I don't think he's racist, but I do think he pushes peoples buttons to deliberately anger them. He's not made friends across the board, that's for sure.

For example...

He said this about Obama: "He's more African than American."

It's overly clever. A dig at the PC crowd who emphasize "African American" to identify a group of Americans (like, why not just "Americans"?). And a dig at Obama's policies (more friendly to other nations than to the USA).

His comment about McNabb that got him fired is something you'd see on message boards like this, but when Limbaugh said it the NFL took offense. I don't blame the NFL, but I also think Limbaugh may have been speaking truth to power. How many black QBs in the history of the NFL? Maybe 10? The lack of black QBs, historically, is a disgrace and for racist reasons (don't have "what it takes" / intelligence to play the position...). So when the league does have a guy who can be a real star, of course they're going to want him to succeed and throw their PR might behind him. The NFL is doing a good thing and it's about time. Was Limbaugh just telling the truth? Or maybe it's the way he said it.

 

[MARIS61]

Being a sports team owner, or a coach with clout, gives one an "arena" to legally practice racism, and many current owners and especially coaches do just that.

 

[BrianFromWA]

yeah, the whole Rooney rule thing totally smacks of owner racism.

 

[maxiep]

yeah, the whole Rooney rule thing totally smacks of owner racism.

Actually, it is racist. Reverse racism is still racism.

 

[STOMP]

He was given a chance to be a commentator and blew it. I don't see why the NFL has any obligation to accept him as an owner. Even if they give guys like Michael Vick a second chance... (Vick's done a lot more for the NFL than Limbaugh, as I see it).

As long as the player making a publicly appears to be reasonably sincere, football fans will forgive a star player of most anything... steriods/drugs, murder... anything. Vick does make them money drawing interest/press to games and eyes to ads. I expect I'll see multiple Eagle jerseys bearing his name shortly regardless of how he's performing and of course he has the potential to do a lot more. How many Eagle fan/PETA charter members can there be to boycott him?

I don't think he's racist, but I do think he pushes peoples buttons to deliberately anger them. He's not made friends across the board, that's for sure.

What positive financial impact does Rush's involvement offer the NFL owners over some other potential complete asshole who the general public doesn't know much about? How many extra jersey sales will his involvement bring? Will his followers become Rams fans in droves? Whats the potential with commercials or positive press? Exactly whats the upside?

Whats the downside? Rush's potential 2nd go-round with the league immediately sparked several current stars to express various forms of complete outrage. Without guaranteed contracts, those guys take controversial stands against next to nothing in modern life, but this was too much for them. I'm sure that there is a similar feeling about Rush with a considerable % of Americans in general. Whats the sponsor boycott risk? What % of current St. Louis season ticket holders are Democrats? In this economy, how will his highlight quotes play with them when it comes time to write him a large check? Of course this fun dynamic would be milked for all it's worth like every controversial story which I can say as a Jailblazer fan was not the fan fun you'd hope for.

His comment about McNabb that got him fired is something you'd see on message boards like this, but when Limbaugh said it the NFL took offense. I don't blame the NFL, but I also think Limbaugh may have been speaking truth to power. How many black QBs in the history of the NFL? Maybe 10?

I'm not nearly into the NFL as the NBA, but I could probably name 20 if you gave me a few minutes... you're overstating things here.

The NFL is doing a good thing and it's about time. Was Limbaugh just telling the truth? Or maybe it's the way he said it.

Little upside + big downside = bad business

STOMP

 

[Denny Crane]

The article lists about 10 black QBs. Some of those guys played 4 or 5 games total. Marlin Briscoe was OK at QB for a season, before they moved him to WR.

The league is 75% black, you'd think there'd be 10 (or even 20) black QBs in the league right now, and every season. If that's what the NFL is trying to accomplish, then I say it's a great thing.

Fritz Pollard 1923
Willie Thrower 1953 (one game)
Marlin Briscoe (1 season)
James Harris
Doug Williams
Joe Giliam (20 games in 4 seasons)
George Tellaferro
Steve McNair
Joe Horn
Donovan McNabb
Warren Moon
Michael Vick

Makes 12. The Chicago Bears had a black QB in the late 70s or early 80s not mentioned, Vince Evans.

I can think of a handful of others, maybe the number is 20. Duante Culpepper for one.

How many black punters have you seen?

 

[STOMP]

The article lists about 10 black QBs. Some of those guys played 4 or 5 games total. Marlin Briscoe was OK at QB for a season, before they moved him to WR.

The league is 75% black, you'd think there'd be 10 (or even 20) black QBs in the league right now, and every season. If that's what the NFL is trying to accomplish, then I say it's a great thing.

Fritz Pollard 1923
Willie Thrower 1953 (one game)
Marlin Briscoe (1 season)
James Harris
Doug Williams
Joe Giliam (20 games in 4 seasons)
George Tellaferro
Steve McNair
Joe Horn
Donovan McNabb
Warren Moon
Michael Vick

Makes 12. The Chicago Bears had a black QB in the late 70s or early 80s not mentioned, Vince Evans.

I can think of a handful of others, maybe the number is 20. Duante Culpepper for one.

past black QBs not mentioned that spring to mind would include Randall Cunningham, Kordell Stewart & Jeff Blake... I'm sure I could name a few more if I thought about it longer and I'm not even that big an NFL fan.

current? Dennis Dixon, Vince Young, Troy Smith, Charlie Batch, David Garrard, Pat White, JaMarcus Russell... thats 7 just from the AFC. Like I said your estimation of 10 in the history of the game is pretty far off.

STOMP

 

[crandc]

I feel like we live in the 1930's Germany.

Aside from the fact that it was NFL owners and commissioners, overwhelmingly conservative, who shot down the bid to own a team....

Blazer Prophet, I would seriously suggest you seriously reconsider your statement that losing a bid to buy an NFL team is the equivalent of mass murder.

Are you suggesting the Holocaust Museum add a room dedicated to Rush Limbaugh's unsuccessful attempt to buy an NFL team because it's just the same as genocide?

 

[MrJayremmie]

^Is he saying that he feels like we live in 1930s Germany because a organization, mainly consisting of conservatives, made a decision to not allow Limbaugh to purchase a team? Its smart business because there would probably be much more backlash in allowing him to be part of purchasing a team then not allowing him to. It is their right to do whatever they want, no?

And LOL at people blaming the Left-wing for this. Are you serious? It wasn't the left wing who has spit out hateful and racist remarks (mainly to get ratings, imo) out of Limbaugh's mouth.

I'm also sure it was the Left-wing who convinced those NFL players to say that they wouldn't play for a team that was owned by Rush, right? That sounds like great business for the NFL.

Seems to me it is about money and risk/reward here. The safe route would be to decline him. Certainly no "conspiracy". But Rush will do what he can to make one if it gets him more ratings. Whether or not he believes it is irrelevant because there are many Americans who hang on every word this guy says.

 

[maxiep]

Blazer Prophet, I would seriously suggest you seriously reconsider your statement that losing a bid to buy an NFL team is the equivalent of mass murder.

crandc, I would seriously suggest you seriously reconsider your statement that bringing up 1930s Germany is the equivalent of mass murder.

There was a lot of other things that led to the Holocaust. First and foremost was the demonizing of certain segments of society. That was BP's point. You're smart enough to have figured that out without me needed to point it out to you.