Russell Martin signs with the Jays...

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$16M+ OMG! this is just getting really stupid now.
 
A bit of a shocker, thought the Cubs would get him, I'll take McCann any day.
 
...Martin has been in decline for a few years now...but he has a good 2014 and he gets this kind of money?

...he also has not been the picture of health over the last few years...but maybe he can DH some too...I dunno.
 
Some dumb bitch former Cubs now transplanted Rays Fan told me she could not afford to go to ball games because of the Yankees driving up prices. I begged to differ with her, always plenty of cheap seats at Tropicana.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Some dumb bitch former Cubs now transplanted Rays Fan told me she could not afford to go to ball games because of the Yankees driving up prices. I begged to differ with her, always plenty of cheap seats at Tropicana.
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...yup...and a lot of empty seats too.
 
Martin signs 5yrs for 16 mil per with Toronto - he's a Canadian- you would think the Jays could've had some kind of "home team" discount or he would've gladly signed for 15 mil per over 5 years. lol.

Anyway- can't help but think about the comparison between McCann and his contract with Martin and his contract- especially going forward from here on.

Martin- will be 32 in Feb, 2015
McCann - will be 31 in Feb, 2015

Yanks signed McCann for 17 mil per over 5 yrs based on his overall career numbers while still being under 30 yrs old.

Toronto signed Martin for 16 mil over 5 yrs based on him coming off one of his best seasons ever and still being reasonably young at 31 yrs old.

McCann has just completed his first Yankee season finishing with his lowest OPS of his career and not reaching his previous seasonal expectations.
Martin has just completed possibly his best season ever.

This will be interesting to see how it plays out for the rest of these contracts.
 
blgridesagain said:
Martin signs 5yrs for 16 mil per with Toronto - he's a Canadian- you would think the Jays could've had some kind of "home team" discount or he would've gladly signed for 15 mil per over 5 years. lol.

Anyway- can't help but think about the comparison between McCann and his contract with Martin and his contract- especially going forward from here on.

Martin- will be 32 in Feb, 2015
McCann - will be 31 in Feb, 2015

Yanks signed McCann for 17 mil per over 5 yrs based on his overall career numbers while still being under 30 yrs old.

Toronto signed Martin for 16 mil over 5 yrs based on him coming off one of his best seasons ever and still being reasonably young at 31 yrs old.

McCann has just completed his first Yankee season finishing with his lowest OPS of his career and not reaching his previous seasonal expectations.
Martin has just completed possibly his best season ever.

This will be interesting to see how it plays out for the rest of these contracts.
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So basically what you're saying here is that last season Martin had an UP year & McCann had a DOWN year. And since one can't assume that both will have similar years going forward lets just look at there careers prior to 2014 to see if they're both worth similar monies. Just to be fair................................

McCann 1,105 games, 176 HRs, 640 RBI, 276 BA, .348 OBP, .468 SLG% & 816 OPS
Martin - 1,052 games, 108 HRs, 473 RBI, 253 BA, .346 OBP, .393 SLG% & 740 OPS

Now you tell me, based on these careers (not one season) do you think they're worth the same?
 
Rick2583 said:
So basically what you're saying here is that last season Martin had an UP year & McCann had a DOWN year. And since one can't assume that both will have similar years going forward lets just look at there careers prior to 2014 to see if they're both worth similar monies. Just to be fair................................

McCann 1,105 games, 176 HRs, 640 RBI, 276 BA, .348 OBP, .468 SLG% & 816 OPS
Martin - 1,052 games, 108 HRs, 473 RBI, 253 BA, .346 OBP, .393 SLG% & 740 OPS

Now you tell me, based on these careers (not one season) do you think they're worth the same?
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If stats are the only factor regarding a contract, then no they aren't the same. But as we all know, stats are but one factor, especially in terms of a critical position like catcher. Or say hitting coach? Lmao!
 
totus44 said:
If stats are the only factor regarding a contract, then no they aren't the same. But as we all know, stats are but one factor, especially in terms of a critical position like catcher. Or say hitting coach? Lmao!
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Which they both are.
 
totus44 said:
If stats are the only factor regarding a contract, then no they aren't the same. But as we all know, stats are but one factor, especially in terms of a critical position like catcher. Or say hitting coach? Lmao!
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Well, all things being equal--> both catchers, similar ages, both players not having a recent history of serious injury, both players being "good" guys in clubhouse and work ethic never in question..
..I guess the only other significant factor is defense, and which side of the plate they bat from.
After that, it is what I said: going forward from here on

That is, which player produces better over the length of their contracts.
 
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Jays were looking for veteran leadership. They have been rotating catchers for a few years and were always in the market for a more complete defensive player (framer) at the position. The fifth year was supposedly the deciding factor with other teams willing to offer him similar money over the first four. I do think it is an over-payment but I understand AA's desire to add a team captain type guy. Compared to an older option like Victor Martinez I think the signing makes sense, especially if the Jays are committed to raising their salary to the $150-million range. Dunno what this means for Cabrera--especially with the Jays chasing John Lester at the moment.
 
Rick2583 said:
So basically what you're saying here is that last season Martin had an UP year & McCann had a DOWN year. And since one can't assume that both will have similar years going forward lets just look at there careers prior to 2014 to see if they're both worth similar monies. Just to be fair................................

McCann 1,105 games, 176 HRs, 640 RBI, 276 BA, .348 OBP, .468 SLG% & 816 OPS
Martin - 1,052 games, 108 HRs, 473 RBI, 253 BA, .346 OBP, .393 SLG% & 740 OPS

Now you tell me, based on these careers (not one season) do you think they're worth the same?
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Not quite Rick - I'm particularly interested in how both players perform going forward from here on..as I said in post # 11.

Well, all things being equal--> both catchers, similar ages, both players not having a recent history of serious injury, both players being "good" guys in clubhouse and work ethic never in question..
..I guess the only other significant factor is defense, and which side of the plate they bat from.
After that, it is what I said: going forward from here on

That is, which player produces better over the length of their contracts.
 
blgridesagain said:
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Not quite Rick - I'm particularly interested in how both players perform going forward from here on..as I said in post # 11.

Well, all things being equal--> both catchers, similar ages, both players not having a recent history of serious injury, both players being "good" guys in clubhouse and work ethic never in question..
..I guess the only other significant factor is defense, and which side of the plate they bat from.
After that, it is what I said: going forward from here on

That is, which player produces better over the length of their contracts.
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I hear what you're saying but based on what they've done over there careers I think its ridiculous that Martin should get the same money that McCann is getting. JMO.
 
speeds said:
Jays were looking for veteran leadership. They have been rotating catchers for a few years and were always in the market for a more complete defensive player (framer) at the position. The fifth year was supposedly the deciding factor with other teams willing to offer him similar money over the first four. I do think it is an over-payment but I understand AA's desire to add a team captain type guy. Compared to an older option like Victor Martinez I think the signing makes sense, especially if the Jays are committed to raising their salary to the $150-million range. Dunno what this means for Cabrera--especially with the Jays chasing John Lester at the moment.
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...they already have veteran leadership.
 
...possibly between Bautista who is looked upon as the team leader and Martin who is Canadian?...yes.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...possibly between Bautista who is looked upon as the team leader and Martin who is Canadian?...yes.
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Why would you then assume their would be a power struggle? Pretty obvious Martin's leadership would be with pitching staff, Jose can still be the team leader. Not every club house ends up like a message board. ;)
 
...I didn't assume anything...I simply threw it out there as a possibility...hence "possibly".
 
Togetherness...................its a beautiful thing.
 
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