Ryan Anderson vs Yi Jianlian

[furnace]

Who should start?

 

[Accelerate]

I voted Yi because I think his size is valuable and I like Anderson coming off the bench getting more touches with the starters resting. Anderson has obviously been out-performing him the last few games, though. And if Frank were to be willing to inject Ryan into the starting line-up, I'd guess he'd slot him in at the three if the match-ups would allow for it.

Slightly off-topic but I just remembered that I heard Yi had an agreement with the Bucks last year that said he had to play something like a minimum of 20 minutes a game. Does that still apply or did it never exist or what?

 

[YiOF]

Slightly off-topic but I just remembered that I heard Yi had an agreement with the Bucks last year that said he had to play something like a minimum of 20 minutes a game. Does that still apply or did it never exist or what?

totally made up by media and fans.

I think if Yi's shot is dropping, He's just a better player than Ryan. He's longer and, can defend and rebound better. Ryan has out played Yi for the last couple games, so he's getting more minutes and finishing the game. I think that's a good arrangement by Frank, everyone has to earn their minutes. There are nights Yi's gonna be hot and Ryan won't be, Yi's gonna play more minutes. It probably make both of them work harder knowing that their minutes ain't guaranteed.

 

[danxcr]

look skill set Yi > anderson... but understanding the game and being more comfortable as of right now... Anderson > Yi...

 

[YiOF]

look skill set Yi > anderson... but understanding the game and being more comfortable as of right now... Anderson > Yi...

when your shots are dropping, it makes you understand the game better and look a lot more comfortable. He's not going to shoot over 70% from the field and 100% from 3s every game. He does have some nice looking offensive moves, and definitely deserve minutes. There are times he's going to struggle like all young players, It's hard to make accurate judgment after 2-3 games.

 

[ghoti]

Yi is the better prospect and the better player right now.

In no way does that mean that Anderson is bad, because he is awesome.

 

[nets1]

right now this early into the season i'd have to go with Anderson with Yi a close second. Consistancy is the key here cause both bring alot of basketball to the table. Right now Mr. Anderson has it going while Yi has it one night, then takes 2 nights off and becomes mr. invisible. That will change of course as the season drags on, but on a good note the improved play of Mr. Anderson can only force Yi to get his act together faster or it may cost him his starting job.

 

[SUPERB]

only reason yi should start is because anderson seems like a player that can turn it on at any time. if yi is cold coming off the bench he is really going to stink. he needs to get his head in the game and stop playing like a fool.

 

[FOMW]

Ryan has made net positive contributions in every game (including preseason) in which he was given minutes. If it wasn't shooting, it was getting tough boards, drawing fouls on putbacks, making a nifty pass, picking off a pass, or what have you. He is now finding the rhythm on his shots in the flow of the offense, and, as expected, that has sent his FG% soaring. No, it won't stay as high as it is, but perhaps the most touted of his abilities coming out of a tough college conference was the beauty and reliability of his stroke. He will have a long career in this league if for no other reason than he will shoot a high percentage from deep and do it from the PF position.

Yi, on the other hand, has been notoriously up and down, brilliant one game, horrid the next. The best signs from him lately are that he is cutting down on some of the really stupid plays and is being more consistent with his rebounding and defense, even in games where he is not getting many shots or when his shots aren't falling. When he's on, it's easy to see that he has major star potential and a higher ceiling than Ryan.

Because one of our best assets right now is depth and the ability to put fresh bodies on the floor who can produce, I'm not particularly worried about who starts. In fact, I'd prefer Yi to start precisely because his inconsistencies can be masked better by Harris and Carter, when necessary, and the more reliable Anderson can come in and help spark the second unit.

As to who should see more minutes overall and who should close games, it should be a game to game assessment, going with whoever seems to be producing best that night.

 

[Malorkayel]

I'm pleasantly surprised, this is turning out to be a good discussion. Like the reasoning so far from both sides.

Personally, I would like Yi to start because he'll sell more tickets for the Nets. I like what Ryan brings to the team too. This has the potential to turn out the same disaster as the Yi / Villanueva problem with Bucks, but I think the player chemistry here will work better.

I don't think Yi will become a consistent scoring player until he adjusts his inside and driving game. This might take the entire season. He's in little bit of a double bind, he's told to spread the floor for Carter and Harris, yet the fans also want to see more of an inside game from Yi because he's 7 foot.

 

[bling890]

I'm pleasantly surprised, this is turning out to be a good discussion. Like the reasoning so far from both sides.

Personally, I would like Yi to start because he'll sell more tickets for the Nets. I like what Ryan brings to the team too. This has the potential to turn out the same disaster as the Yi / Villanueva problem with Bucks, but I think the player chemistry here will work better.

I don't think Yi will become a consistent scoring player until he adjusts his inside and driving game. This might take the entire season. He's in little bit of a double bind, he's told to spread the floor for Carter and Harris, yet the fans also want to see more of an inside game from Yi because he's 7 foot.

I liked the reasoning to, until I read that. You don't have a guy start because he'll "put more people in the seats." Winning puts more people in the seats, as evidenced by the San Antonio Spurs, whose most "exciting" player, Manu Ginobli, comes off the bench. I would like to see whichever player gives us the best chance of winning to start. Also, playing anywhere but the Izod center would help put fans in the seats as well.

 

[La Bomba]

I like Anderson coming off the bench and Yi starting. I definably didn't expect Anderson to be this good for the Nets. I was saying he got drafted to high, but it looks like he got drafted to low.

 

[Malorkayel]

I liked the reasoning to, until I read that. You don't have a guy start because he'll "put more people in the seats." Winning puts more people in the seats, as evidenced by the San Antonio Spurs, whose most "exciting" player, Manu Ginobli, comes off the bench. I would like to see whichever player gives us the best chance of winning to start. Also, playing anywhere but the Izod center would help put fans in the seats as well.

I only say that because the Nets are in "rebuilding mode".

 

[kdub]

We need punch of Ryan off the bench, and Yi seems to "need" the kickout abilities of Harris and Vince more.

 

[Netted]

If Anderson is better than Yi must we always start the best players?

I like Anderson off the bench and closing out games. He's playing great off the bench and Lopez is playing great as a starter. I say we keep it that way for now. I think Yi's biggest problem is still language. I know he knows some english, but the better he gets with the language I think he'll get better on the court. When he does have it going it's a bonus along side Lopez.

 

[nets1]

well if yi can do well with carter and harris starting, imagine a guy who currently has the highest 3 point shooting percentage in all of the nba do with those two guys passing out to him more than if he was just playing casual minutes off the bench?

I know its a rebuilding system but really that makes no sence since both are really rookies. To be a starter in the nba even on a team that is rebuilding like the nets you should be consistant and so far yi isn't. I don't understand how Yi has accumulated so much " capital " with the fans already, while ryan isn't.

 

[AhLian]

Like others have already said, Yi is better skill-wise but inferior to Ryan in terms of mentality.

 

[Joey FistPump]

I voted for Ryan...but Yi should start.

I know that makes no sense but Ryan Anderson has become one of my favorite players...figured I'd throw him my vote.

 

[jirohkanzaki]

yi should start and ryan should come off the bench...it's been working great so far...if yi gets a virus or something we'll see ryan as a strater but every game counts and we shouldn't fix what aint broke...

 

[networks]

As good as Anderson has been, I am for Yi.

Anderson coming off the bench is better for the Nets. I think we found our sixth man. I picture Anderson like Gordon from the bulls. We know they should be starting but they are damn good coming off the bench. Like someone said, it is also mental. Anderson has more confidence then Yi. He can handle coming off the bench. If you bench Yi, that could really mess up his game.

 

[Netted]

well if yi can do well with carter and harris starting, imagine a guy who currently has the highest 3 point shooting percentage in all of the nba do with those two guys passing out to him more than if he was just playing casual minutes off the bench?

I know its a rebuilding system but really that makes no sence since both are really rookies. To be a starter in the nba even on a team that is rebuilding like the nets you should be consistant and so far yi isn't. I don't understand how Yi has accumulated so much " capital " with the fans already, while ryan isn't.

Casual minutes? He's playing 26 mpg the past two games compared to Yi's 20 mpg. Don't forget he's still a rookie and you don't want to overwhelm him with too big a role and start impeding his progress. He's going to get tired soon enough without playing 30+ mpg.

 

[nets1]

Casual minutes? He's playing 26 mpg the past two games compared to Yi's 20 mpg. Don't forget he's still a rookie and you don't want to overwhelm him with too big a role and start impeding his progress. He's going to get tired soon enough without playing 30+ mpg.

Or he could continue doing what he's done since high school. And, that is to become the leading scorer on the team. If yi is playing 20 minutes and disapearing then Ryan who is getting you 17 in 25 minutes could get you like 23 if he were playing 34. This doesn't hurt the nets but maybe Yi's feeling and well like frank says you earn your minutes. He can't just fall back on i'm a lottery pick anymore, he has to deliver every night. The league has seen him now for over a year and he's got to show he's progressing. Ryan is and was taken out of the rotation when he didn't, why is Yi treated differently?

I say let the play/production dictate minutes and starting position. Remember Frank said only positions 1 and 2 are guaranteed right now. #3 to 15 isn't and will be based on what the players do on the court. If you go by that critera alone Ryan Anderson should be starting now...

 

[Malorkayel]

Or he could continue doing what he's done since high school. And, that is to become the leading scorer on the team. If yi is playing 20 minutes and disapearing then Ryan who is getting you 17 in 25 minutes could get you like 23 if he were playing 34. This doesn't hurt the nets but maybe Yi's feeling and well like frank says you earn your minutes. He can't just fall back on i'm a lottery pick anymore, he has to deliver every night. The league has seen him now for over a year and he's got to show he's progressing. Ryan is and was taken out of the rotation when he didn't, why is Yi treated differently?

I say let the play/production dictate minutes and starting position. Remember Frank said only positions 1 and 2 are guaranteed right now. #3 to 15 isn't and will be based on what the players do on the court. If you go by that critera alone Ryan Anderson should be starting now...

That is circular logic. Seriously, what has Anderson really done in the NBA so far? If you need to go back highschool to prove his success, that's just fail. Anderson is a good rookie so far. But, you're here just begging the question to back up your circular reasoning.

Yi has had better games than Anderson even during Yi's rookie year. Anderson had 2 good games. I can just as easily say that Anderson is better off the bench and not starting because he produce better in that rotation.

 

[rory]

Both.

 

[nets1]

That is circular logic. Seriously, what has Anderson really done in the NBA so far? If you need to go back highschool to prove his success, that's just fail. Anderson is a good rookie so far. But, you're here just begging the question to back up your circular reasoning.

Yi has had better games than Anderson even during Yi's rookie year. Anderson had 2 good games. I can just as easily say that Anderson is better off the bench and not starting because he produce better in that rotation.

Well you can't use that logic either since Ryan Anderson hasn't started. You could also say if Ryan Anderson did start from the begining of the season his numbers would most likely be better. Yi has started and had a few good games. Most of his games have been subpar or average or just below average. When Ryan gets minutes he produces. In the summer league Ryan did start and did have some very nice numbers. Ryan led his team in high school and in college. He was overlooked by all scouts and coaches when he went to college. In college he didn't only lead the pack 10 in scoring and rebounds, but he was the go to guy at Cal. If you stop ryan anderson you stop cal, yet he continued being the leading scorer on his team for both years. Now he's in the pro's and i see his game transending into the pro game as it did from high school to college. If that continues he will eventually be one of the leading scorers on this team. He's a natural shooter and has high basketball IQ.
Yi is a good shooter and has basketball IQ, but not as high in my opinion as Ryan. Yi is a streaky kind of shooter thus far, while Ryan is more consistant. Therefore, the minutes should go to the player who produces more with the minutes given him. I expect Ryan to continue his rise, while Yi has a history of inconsistancy and hitting a rookie wall. That could have been from many factors including all his outside basketball work, which won't change in new jersey. So i guess 9 games into the season my view is ryan is better now than yi is. May change, but right now i'd say ryan deserves the more minutes.

 

[Malorkayel]

Well you can't use that logic either since Ryan Anderson hasn't started. You could also say if Ryan Anderson did start from the begining of the season his numbers would most likely be better. Yi has started and had a few good games. Most of his games have been subpar or average or just below average. When Ryan gets minutes he produces. In the summer league Ryan did start and did have some very nice numbers. Ryan led his team in high school and in college. He was overlooked by all scouts and coaches when he went to college. In college he didn't only lead the pack 10 in scoring and rebounds, but he was the go to guy at Cal. If you stop ryan anderson you stop cal, yet he continued being the leading scorer on his team for both years. Now he's in the pro's and i see his game transending into the pro game as it did from high school to college. If that continues he will eventually be one of the leading scorers on this team. He's a natural shooter and has high basketball IQ.
Yi is a good shooter and has basketball IQ, but not as high in my opinion as Ryan. Yi is a streaky kind of shooter thus far, while Ryan is more consistant. Therefore, the minutes should go to the player who produces more with the minutes given him. I expect Ryan to continue his rise, while Yi has a history of inconsistancy and hitting a rookie wall. That could have been from many factors including all his outside basketball work, which won't change in new jersey. So i guess 9 games into the season my view is ryan is better now than yi is. May change, but right now i'd say ryan deserves the more minutes.

How is the weather in fantasy land?

Edit: I'm just saying players don't magically get better just because they get their names announced as "starters". Let this play out a bit, if Anderson is more productive than Yi over a stretch of games. I'm all for the change. But the sample size right now is not conclusive and if you switch rotation based on every game. That can hurt team chemistry.

 

[nets1]

check out the 82game site: http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NJN.HTM

do the math and see if they use the same math in fantasy land as they do in your world. Btw, what is the color of the sky in your world?

 

[nets1]

And 9 games into the season is 10% of the season a decent sample. I wonder how many games the nets would have won with ryan starting from the start.

 

[YiOF]

I could be biased, but I think you are way over your head about Ryan Anderson. He's a nice player, just not as good as you think. Yes, he's got a couple nice games, but come on, you sound like he's a game changer and is going to lead the nets to win an NBA championship.

 

[Malorkayel]

And 9 games into the season is 10% of the season a decent sample. I wonder how many games the nets would have won with ryan starting from the start.

2 games is not a good sample size. But I'm not from fantasy land, it might be a good number there.