S&T Diop with Dallas

[BabaBooey]

Not sure why the NEts would help them out for expiring contracts - have to get something of value - found this out there

Mavs Want Diop To Be A Sign-And-Trade
By Mike Fisher -- DB.com

An NBA source has informed DB.com to not jump too soon on the notion that the Mavs have exhausted the full MLE on DeSagana Diop, telling us that Dallas is attempting to instead work with New Jersey to swap the center in a sign-and-trade.

"(Dallas) has a financial deal with Diop (for the MLE-level money of about $5.7 mil for five years) but that doesn't mean it has to be for the MLE,'' the source says. "(The Mavs are) trying to avoid that.''

It would in fact be beneficial for all parties to attempt an S&T with the Nets. Diop gets his money either way. New Jersey would get something in exchange for the departing 7-footer. (Expiring contracts?) And the Mavs would get Diop and the freedom to use the MLE to pursue wish-list free agents like Corey Maggette, James Posey, Eddie Najera and others.

A couple of notes here:

* From what we are gathering, the Mavs would like to S&T with the Nets without forfeiting Devean George, who the team believes still has value here as a player.

* That elevates Eddie Jones and his expiring as a prominent piece in any such deal.

* We get re-confirmation from another source on Dallas' very high opinion of Boston free agent James Posey - and on the possibility that turning Diop into an S&T would free the Mavs to bid the MLE on Posey.

* We get mixed reactions on Corey Maggette: thumbs-up on the talent, thumbs-down on the flakiness. ... and of course, maybe a pipedream all along. But he nevertheless represents the best quick-fix solution to what ails the Mavs.

* A source tells us that Dallas' Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson are "burning up the phones'' in exploring ways of saving the MLE and of orchestrating three-ways to maximize their assets.

 

[FrankieNetsLBJ6]

No thanks i dont want any crappy players expiring contract that will take playing time away from the young players

 

[Black Republican]

he's already a mav

 

[Dark Defender]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 3 2008, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he's already a mav</div>

He verbally agreed to a contract, he hasn't signed anything yet.

 

[Black Republican]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Jul 3 2008, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 3 2008, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he's already a mav</div>

He verbally agreed to a contract, he hasn't signed anything yet.
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Oh

 

[SportsTicker]

Teams would have until July 9 to do a deal.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BabaBooey @ Jul 3 2008, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not sure why the NEts would help them out for expiring contracts - have to get something of value - found this out there

Mavs Want Diop To Be A Sign-And-Trade
By Mike Fisher -- DB.com

An NBA source has informed DB.com to not jump too soon on the notion that the Mavs have exhausted the full MLE on DeSagana Diop, telling us that Dallas is attempting to instead work with New Jersey to swap the center in a sign-and-trade.

"(Dallas) has a financial deal with Diop (for the MLE-level money of about $5.7 mil for five years) but that doesn't mean it has to be for the MLE,'' the source says. "(The Mavs are) trying to avoid that.''

It would in fact be beneficial for all parties to attempt an S&T with the Nets. Diop gets his money either way. New Jersey would get something in exchange for the departing 7-footer. (Expiring contracts?) And the Mavs would get Diop and the freedom to use the MLE to pursue wish-list free agents like Corey Maggette, James Posey, Eddie Najera and others.

A couple of notes here:

* From what we are gathering, the Mavs would like to S&T with the Nets without forfeiting Devean George, who the team believes still has value here as a player.

* That elevates Eddie Jones and his expiring as a prominent piece in any such deal.

* We get re-confirmation from another source on Dallas' very high opinion of Boston free agent James Posey - and on the possibility that turning Diop into an S&T would free the Mavs to bid the MLE on Posey.

* We get mixed reactions on Corey Maggette: thumbs-up on the talent, thumbs-down on the flakiness. ... and of course, maybe a pipedream all along. But he nevertheless represents the best quick-fix solution to what ails the Mavs.

* A source tells us that Dallas' Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson are "burning up the phones'' in exploring ways of saving the MLE and of orchestrating three-ways to maximize their assets.</div>

A link sure would be nice.

 

[GMJ]

Welcome to S2 BabaBooey. Please include the original link to any articles posted, thanks

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullArchiv...umn.php?id=2942

...so basically there's speculation that we still could get MORE from the Kidd trade? This is too good to be true.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 3 2008, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Welcome to S2 BabaBooey. Please include the original link to any articles posted, thanks

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullArchiv...umn.php?id=2942

...so basically there's speculation that we still could get MORE from the Kidd trade? This is too good to be true.</div>

Much thanks to BabaBooey. Just posted it on NetsDaily. Thorn and Cuban again. Oh goody.

Cuban said the Nets deal cost him $11 million...that was before the Diop deal. Now he has had to overpay for Diop to bring him back. $31 million for a guy who never averaged 3.0 ppg in his career...and people thought $25 million for Collins was nuts?

 

[User01]

Diop for JHo!

 

[NOMAM]

Mavs don't have much else to give up in a trade except Shan Foster and maybe Bass. Stackhouse's contract or a George sign and trade would be needed to make the salaries work. So what could the Mavs give up to make it worth it for the Nets to agree to a sign and trade?

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 3 2008, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Diop for JHo!</div>

So it would have to be someone the Nets want, meaning someone under 7' tall, have a contract with fewer than two years running and making less than $5.7 million. Mavs would have to trade one or more players to the third team, then turn that player around for Diop.

The problem I see is that there aint many assets on that Mavs team who another team would want and who Cuban would want to give up. Stackhouse makes too much money. Jones has no value. George is an unrestricted free agent and oh God, please not him. Wright...been there, done that.

 

[Ondatbap]

Maybe we can get Gerald Green from them and Eddie Jones

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 3 2008, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 3 2008, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Diop for JHo!</div>

So it would have to be someone the Nets want, meaning someone under 7' tall, have a contract with fewer than two years running and making less than $5.7 million. Mavs would have to trade one or more players to the third team, then turn that player around for Diop.

The problem I see is that there aint many assets on that Mavs team who another team would want and who Cuban would want to give up. Stackhouse makes too much money. Jones has no value. George is an unrestricted free agent and oh God, please not him. Wright...been there, done that.
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yeah, that's the problem here. Howard is the only one here who has enough value for the Nets to want back as far as I can see. Bass or Foster could be nice, but they don't make the cash, Bass wouldn't really have a spot here, and I don't think Foster has enough value. I'm guessing that they don't want to give up Josh, so that is probably why they're looking for a third team. Maybe they could move stuff to Chicago, and we give them Krstic, and Gordon gets S&T'd to us? has there ever been 3 S&T's in one deal before?

 

[Netted]

Can a S&T include a third team?

 

[Astral]

Dallas has nothing we want (that we could get) for Diop.

If they're going to do Dallas such a favor, they better ask for a draft pick. How about an unprotected 1st rounder in 4 years?

 

[SeanWilliamsTheFuture51]

i wouldn't mind green and also there is a third team

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 3 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can a S&T include a third team?</div>

Indeed, the story says Cuban and Nelson are looking for a third team, which people here seem to ignore.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I know I love making trades, but I cant find one here.....

Maybe Diop to Dallas(front loaded to make deal work?)
J. Howard and Hassel to Lakers
Odom and Marcus Williams to Miami
and Marion to NJ?

 

[Universe]

Could the Mavs sign and trade Wright? We are looking into those type of players so why not bring him back?

 

[Basileus777]

We need a veteran swingman and we aren't going to acquire a decent one in free agency willing to take a 2 year deal. Eddie Jones or Stackhouse could fill that void. Other than that, I don't see what Dallas could offer us, unless we want Brandon Bass.

 

[BrooklynNets]

Why should we help Dallas? Nothing to do with us. Unless they can bring in a 3rd team, which is unlikely since they would have to give up crucial part of their thin bench, we shouldnt be involved at all to help their salary management.

 

[go nets]

they have no1 to offer us, Stack and Jones made it clear during the Kidd trade that they dont want to play for NJ and want to play in dallas.

 

[SportsTicker]

This is what they do...they give Dallas a few names of players they would accept in a three-way sign-and-trade. They tell Dallas, "get those players and we have a deal. If you can't, you're on the hook for the MLE. Good Luck."

It would be a very smart move for the Nets...and a smart move for the Mavs. It makes perfect sense.

As of right now, the Nets "big deal" since February 1 is: Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, Antoine Wright and Malik Allen for Devin Harris, Yi Jianlian, Ryan Anderson, Stromile Swift, Bobby Simmons, Mo Ager, Trenton Hassell, Keith Van Horn, the Mavs unprotected 2010 first round pick, $3 million in cash and a $3.3 million trade exception. So if the Mavs and Nets work out a sign-and-trade, add the players acquired in that transaction to the mix as well. (There was no way ANY other team was going to give Diop $31 million. Certainly not the Nets.)

And never forget...Mark Cuban is Rod Thorn's b*tch.

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 3 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 3 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can a S&T include a third team?</div>

Indeed, the story says Cuban and Nelson are looking for a third team, which people here seem to ignore.
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Chicago? For Nocioni?

What would the contours of a deal like that look like?

 

[fefe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jul 4 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 3 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 3 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can a S&T include a third team?</div>

Indeed, the story says Cuban and Nelson are looking for a third team, which people here seem to ignore.
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Chicago? For Nocioni?

What would the contours of a deal like that look like?
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The contours? Well:

to Dal: Diop (5,7 mill)
to NJ: Nocioni (8 mill)
to Chi: “?, (maybe Ager + Stachouse + 2010 dallas pick from NJ)

NJ has to give up about 6,5 - 10 mill to be able to take on 8 (so NJ has to add 1-4 mill to Diop)
Dallas can give up around 4,5-7,5 mill receiving 5,7 (they can't even put together 4,5 without giving up stack

, but stack is 7 mill by himself)
while Chicago has to receive about 6,5-10 mill while giving up 8 mill.

Somebody will probably have to sweaten it a bit more for Chicago. Dallas can give them Bass (which the Bulls would love probably), but Dallas has to receive something more (or sign Diop to more money), to be able to give out 8 mill (Bass + Stack)

If Chi needs more for Nocioni, we can send KVH to Dallas instead of Ager to Chi, and then Dallas can send Bass ti Chi too, but we have to receive more than 8 mill then:
to Dal: Diop + KVH (~10,5 mill)
to NJ: Nocioni + Antoine Wright resigned for 1mill (9mill)
to Chi: Dallas 2010 pick from NJ + Stachouse + Bass (8 mill)

for Dal: Antoine Wright + Stackhouse + Bass for Diop + KVH (actually this is a nice salary cut for Dallas because of KVH. Losing Bass hurts though)
for NJ: Diop + KVH + 2010 dal pick for Noc + Wright (looks fair, but not very good for our cap situation. we take on 9mill, while we cut nothing)
for Chi: Stackhouse + Bass + 10 Dallas pick for Nocioni (they probably do this)


I'd be surprised if something gets worked out though


those would be the contours

 

[Netted]

THe problem even in a 3 team trade is that Dallas haz no assets anymore. If they have nothing we want I don't see them having anything anyone else would want.

 

[fefe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>THe problem even in a 3 team trade is that Dallas haz no assets anymore. If they have nothing we want I don't see them having anything anyone else would want.</div>

Brandon Bass + Stack (expiring) is a nice package. We don't want that because we have lot's of young bigs. and it's an exact match for Nocioni

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>THe problem even in a 3 team trade is that Dallas haz no assets anymore. If they have nothing we want I don't see them having anything anyone else would want.</div>

Brandon Bass + Stack (expiring) is a nice package. We don't want that because we have lot's of young bigs. and it's an exact match for Nocioni

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Stackhouse isn't a true expiring. Signed for 2 more years, but with a $2mm buyout for last year. That $2mm still counts towrds the cap in 2009-10.

Plus Dallas needs Bass... well they also need Stackhouse.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jul 4 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 3 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 3 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can a S&T include a third team?</div>

Indeed, the story says Cuban and Nelson are looking for a third team, which people here seem to ignore.
</div>

Chicago? For Nocioni?

What would the contours of a deal like that look like?
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That's exactly what I was thinking.

I'm not sure what Chicago would want, though. I wouldn't mind giving them Krstic still, and Bass like fefe said. Not sure what else could be included for Chicago. Draft pick(s) possibly.