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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stackhouse isn't a true expiring. Signed for 2 more years, but with a $2mm buyout for last year. That $2mm still counts towrds the cap in 2009-10.

Plus Dallas needs Bass... well they also need Stackhouse.</div>

Yes, they need them, but they are the ones wanting to work out a sign and trade...
What else do they have? They said no George. We wouldn't take him either.

That leaves only Stack. but they have to sweaten it with something, so we help them.
Their only sweatener is Bass...

If Dallas really wants a sign and trade, this is their only package: Bass + Stack...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stackhouse isn't a true expiring. Signed for 2 more years, but with a $2mm buyout for last year. That $2mm still counts towrds the cap in 2009-10.

Plus Dallas needs Bass... well they also need Stackhouse.</div>

Yes, they need them, but they are the ones wanting to work out a sign and trade...
What else do they have? They said no George. We wouldn't take him either.

That leaves only Stack. but they have to sweaten it with something, so we help them.
Their only sweatener is Bass...

If Dallas really wants a sign and trade, this is their only package: Bass + Stack...
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That's why I don't think a S&T will happen. Cuban may want it, but he needs to go out and find it. The Nets obviously found nothing of interest and I doubt anyone else will. Cuban always tries to get whatever he wants, but he's practically out of assets now.

Dallas wants to trade Eddie Jones ($2mm) plus something(“). Highly doubt they use Stackhouse. They rely on him as a key guy in the rotation and he makes too much money.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 4 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In my read of the CBA FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73, if Diop is signed for MLE type money (5.7M), he will immediately become BYC for trade purposes, so the salary we're working with (from the Nets' perspective, only) isn't 5.7 but $2.85M.</div>
From our perspective that could be true, but in order to take on Diop Dallas would still need to move about $4.5mm in salaries, since they are over the cap.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 4 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In my read of the CBA FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73, if Diop is signed for MLE type money (5.7M), he will immediately become BYC for trade purposes, so the salary we're working with (from the Nets' perspective, only) isn't 5.7 but $2.85M.</div>
From our perspective that could be true, but in order to take on Diop Dallas would still need to move about $4.5mm in salaries, since they are over the cap.
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Yes, I got it wrong, missed the BYC part.
but I think my 3way still works (Antoine Wright is not needed anymore tough):

for Dal: Stackhouse + Bass for Diop + KVH
8 mill for 9 mill

for NJ: Diop + KVH + 2010 dal pick for Noc
6,8 mill for 8 mill

for Chi: Nocioni for Stackhouse + Bass + 10 Dallas pick (they probably do this)
8 mill for 8 mill
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 4 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In my read of the CBA FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73, if Diop is signed for MLE type money (5.7M), he will immediately become BYC for trade purposes, so the salary we're working with (from the Nets' perspective, only) isn't 5.7 but $2.85M.</div>
From our perspective that could be true, but in order to take on Diop Dallas would still need to move about $4.5mm in salaries, since they are over the cap.</div>

True.

How's this:

New Jersey

GIVES:

Desagana Diop $2,850,000.00 (S & T)
Keith Van Horn $3,792,112.00
NJ Future 1st Rd (prot)

GETS:

Andres Nocioni $8,000,000.00


Chicago

GIVES:

Andres Nocioni $8,000,000.00


GETS:

Eddie Jones $1,976,400.00
Deavan George $3,000,000.00
NJ Future 1st Rd (prot)

Dallas

GIVES:

Eddie Jones $1,976,400.00
Deavan George $3,000,000.00 (S & T)

GETS:

Desagana Diop $5,700,000


The Nets basically give up a first rounder with de-escalating protection through, say, 2011 for Nocioni. Chicago gets that future first rounder and immediate cap relief (cheap buyout of Van Horn and Eddie Jones) plus a veteran wing to backup the youngsters at the 2 and 3. Dallas gets Diop without using their MLE or moving any of their other key assets.

ETA: Reformatted from original post.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 4 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In my read of the CBA FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73, if Diop is signed for MLE type money (5.7M), he will immediately become BYC for trade purposes, so the salary we're working with (from the Nets' perspective, only) isn't 5.7 but $2.85M.</div>
From our perspective that could be true, but in order to take on Diop Dallas would still need to move about $4.5mm in salaries, since they are over the cap.
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Yes, I got it wrong, missed the BYC part.
but I think my 3way still works (Antoine Wright is not needed anymore tough):

for Dal: Stackhouse + Bass for Diop + KVH
8 mill for 9 mill

for NJ: Diop + KVH + 2010 dal pick for Noc
6,8 mill for 8 mill

for Chi: Nocioni for Stackhouse + Bass + 10 Dallas pick (they probably do this)
8 mill for 8 mill
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Why doesn't NJ just trade KVH (including $500K for the buyout) + Hassell + Dallas 2010 pick for Nocioni?
Chicago gets close to $3.65mm in savings for this season and $3.15 for next year and a 1st round pick. Total saved = $6.8mm

Bass is a restricted free agent. Doubt they get him for $1mm, but let's say they do sign a 1 yr deal at $1mm.
With Stackhouse and Bass they get no savings this season and only $5.5mm next year. Total saved - $5.5mm.

I rather get rid of Hassell than help Dallas get Diop. THe above 3 way scenario doesn't give us full value for the KVH contract. The benifits of that contract combined with a 1st round pick and Chicago's need to save some cash should get us Nocioni.
 
I don't feel as bad about keeping Hassell at this point as others. He is a professional and a veteran and will work hard in practice, especially defensively, and that influence would be terrific to have in the background of the team with so many young players. His contract expires in time for the big FA market. And he may also be useful on some nights when our other wing core gets in foul trouble trying to deal with the likes of LeBron. I would actually rather get rid of Swift if we did a two-way deal with Chicago.

Also, since the real prize here for Chicago is cap relief, I'm not sure I would give up the Dallas first rounder at this point. Could very well be a lottery pick. I'd prefer de-escalating protection over at least 2 years of the Net's pick.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why doesn't NJ just trade KVH (including $500K for the buyout) + Hassell + Dallas 2010 pick for Nocioni?
Chicago gets close to $3.65mm in savings for this season and $3.15 for next year and a 1st round pick. Total saved = $6.8mm

Bass is a restricted free agent. Doubt they get him for $1mm, but let's say they do sign a 1 yr deal at $1mm.
With Stackhouse and Bass they get no savings this season and only $5.5mm next year. Total saved - $5.5mm.

I rather get rid of Hassell than help Dallas get Diop. THe above 3 way scenario doesn't give us full value for the KVH contract. The benifits of that contract combined with a 1st round pick and Chicago's need to save some cash should get us Nocioni.</div>

You are probably right.
I was sticked to the Dallas sign and trade part.

I still think Chicago will want more for Nocioni. That's why i wanted to add Bass.
I thought he has another year left. That's what hoopshype says: dallas salary

How do you know that he is a FA?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 4 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't feel as bad about keeping Hassell at this point as others. He is a professional and a veteran and will work hard in practice, especially defensively, and that influence would be terrific to have in the background of the team with so many young players. His contract expires in time for the big FA market. And he may also be useful on some nights when our other wing core gets in foul trouble trying to deal with the likes of LeBron. I would actually rather get rid of Swift if we did a two-way deal with Chicago.

Also, since the real prize here for Chicago is cap relief, I'm not sure I would give up the Dallas first rounder at this point. Could very well be a lottery pick. I'd prefer de-escalating protection over at least 2 years of the Net's pick.</div>

Vow, we where saying the total opposit at the same time


I say salary relief plus pick is not enough for Nocioni,
You say adding the pick is already too much
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why doesn't NJ just trade KVH (including $500K for the buyout) + Hassell + Dallas 2010 pick for Nocioni?
Chicago gets close to $3.65mm in savings for this season and $3.15 for next year and a 1st round pick. Total saved = $6.8mm

Bass is a restricted free agent. Doubt they get him for $1mm, but let's say they do sign a 1 yr deal at $1mm.
With Stackhouse and Bass they get no savings this season and only $5.5mm next year. Total saved - $5.5mm.

I rather get rid of Hassell than help Dallas get Diop. THe above 3 way scenario doesn't give us full value for the KVH contract. The benifits of that contract combined with a 1st round pick and Chicago's need to save some cash should get us Nocioni.</div>

You are probably right.
I was sticked to the Dallas sign and trade part.

I still think Chicago will want more for Nocioni. That's why i wanted to add Bass.
I thought he has another year left. That's what hoopshype says: dallas salary

How do you know that he is a FA?
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I use the Storytellers numbers on this site. Hoopshype doesn't seem too accurate. They don't even have Nocioni's 2009/10+ salary in there.

Chicago has Gooden, Thomas, Simmons, and Noah. Not sure they feel they need another young big. Plus the whole purpose of trade is they want to keep Deng.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vow, we where saying the total opposit at the same time


I say salary relief plus pick is not enough for Nocioni,
You say adding the pick is already too much
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Not too much from Chicago's perspective but from ours. I would be hesitant to deal the Dallas pick now unless it was for a guy that I knew would be starting caliber for the next 5-6 years, simply because I think there's enough of a chance that it will be a lottery pick and because we obviously aren't being built to win a title next year or the one after. Chicago may well demand more for him than a protected first rounder and cap relief, but that's where I'd start.
 
Brandon Bass still has a year left, Hoopshype is right. Just check free agent lists, Bass isn't one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 4 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vow, we where saying the total opposit at the same time


I say salary relief plus pick is not enough for Nocioni,
You say adding the pick is already too much
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Not too much from Chicago's perspective but from ours. I would be hesitant to deal the Dallas pick now unless it was for a guy that I knew would be starting caliber for the next 5-6 years, simply because I think there's enough of a chance that it will be a lottery pick and because we obviously aren't being built to win a title next year or the one after. Chicago may well demand more for him than a protected first rounder and cap relief, but that's where I'd start.
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We have 3 1st rounders this year (I deem CDR a 1st) and one next year. Giving up the higher of our or Dallas' pick in 2010, with some modest protections, has to be included if their main goal is salary relief.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 4 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Brandon Bass still has a year left, Hoopshype is right. Just check free agent lists, Bass isn't one.</div>
You are correct. From ESPN:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Limited Salary Protection: Brandon Bass (no salary protection if waived on or before 10/1/08, thereafter full)</div>

I still don't see Dallas trading their only back-up for Dirk. It's not like Diop or Dampier can play PF. They didn't draft a big and it would be a huge risk to bank on Najera still being available for the MLE. Kidd worked well with Bass.
 
Im not giving up that Dallas 1st round pick for Nocioni......

It would take a lot for me to give that away
 
Why not a Dallas 2012 first round pick? That would be hilarious.
 
can't we throw swift in the package, i mean he's useless. Also since the nets are rebuilding i wouldn't want to give any unprotected draft pick, or any draft period. Maybe an unprotected pick after 2011.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 5 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>can't we throw swift in the package, i mean he's useless. Also since the nets are rebuilding i wouldn't want to give any unprotected draft pick, or any draft period. Maybe an unprotected pick after 2011.</div>

Wow, I can't believe there are still people that don't understand the idea of an expiring contract.
 
you can use it to get cap relief, but also to get rid of a useless player for a very serviceable player in return which what i was referring to
 
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