Sacramento Kings vs. Golden State Warriors

[huevonkiller]

You can stop putting words into my mouth now. I didn't say I was going to attempt to prove he is mentally weak.

In 2004, would you have asked why is Marbury mentally weak or in 2003 about TMac?

Off one series? No because I have to consider "regression to the mean". Some bad series/games are bound to occur. Sure I could say "he played bad", but the way you frame it makes it appear like he is mentally weak in general. He has decent clutch stats, he had another good playoff series, so I don't really see your point right now.

What in the fuck does his prime have to do with anything? He isn't in it now and he won't be in it during the 2008-2009 season.

What's the big deal if I said that or not, that's just a tangent right? Don't worry about it.

 

[huevonkiller]

You called him mentally weak.

He asked how.

It's natural progression of discussion for you to attempt to prove it, or else it's just a baseless claim.

Indeed, that was quite a natural question.

 

[cpawfan]

Do you think he's a good defender?

I don't see why you would say Bosh is mentally weak because Collins took him out of his game, if you think Collins is a good defender.

What do other people's opinions have to do with your own?

Calling Twin a good defender opens the thread up to a tangent that I didn't want to discuss (is he or is he not a good defender).

That said, playing good defense doesn't always take a player out of his game. However, when a player faces good defense and then makes unforced errors and does things out of character, that is mental weakness.

As an example, Kenyon Martin in the 2003 NBA Finals was mentally weak. 23 fucking field goal attempts in one game

 

[cpawfan]

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And which post was that in response to?

 

[cpawfan]

Off one series? No because I have to consider "regression to the mean". Some bad series/games are bound to occur. Sure I could say "he played bad", but the way you frame it makes it appear like he is mentally weak in general. He has decent clutch stats, he had another good playoff series, so I don't really see your point right now.

Again, I'm not basing anything off of one playoff series. I am saying when the going gets tough, Bosh is more likely to make a mistake than make the correct decision.

To your comment about clutch stats: Bosh's clutch stats at 82games have a negative +/- and he performs worse in super clutch time than he does in clutch time.

The second playoff series has nothing to do with it. 1) There was zero pressure on the Raptors with that series. 2) Putting up pretty stats has nothing to do with this.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

And which post was that in response to?

What does it matter?

You said ______________. That is mental weakness.


You are using ___________ as proof of his mental weakness.


How can you use an example of Twin taking Bosh out of his game as mental weakness if you think Twin is a good defender?

So you think Bosh is mentally weak because someone that you see as a good defender took him out of his game?


What????

 

[huevonkiller]

Again, I'm not basing anything off of one playoff series. I am saying when the going gets tough, Bosh is more likely to make a mistake than make the correct decision.

To your comment about clutch stats: Bosh's clutch stats at 82games have a negative +/- and he performs worse in super clutch time than he does in clutch time.

The second playoff series has nothing to do with it. 1) There was zero pressure on the Raptors with that series. 2) Putting up pretty stats has nothing to do with this.

Uh lol, negative rating in the clutch? The Raptors are 14-15, that is right where they should be.

His FG% in Super clutch looks nasty, however he attempts quite a large number of FTs which raises him to a decent level at least (about 50 TS%).

Another problem is that there are only 21 Super Clutch minutes to judge him by, and he doesn't have to be "super" clutch, to disprove your own points. His normal clutch play is pretty solid.

You said he was not clutch precisely because he didn't have pretty stats in the first series.

 

[cpawfan]

What does it matter?

You said ______________. That is mental weakness.


You are using ___________ as proof of his mental weakness.

Nope, I'm using it as an example. Just as it is easy to provide examples of JR Smith demonstrating a low BBall IQ.

How can you use an example of Twin taking Bosh out of his game as mental weakness if you think Twin is a good defender?

So you think Bosh is mentally weak because someone that you see as a good defender took him out of his game?


What????

I already explained this.

I didn't say that I think Bosh is mentally weak because of it. I said Bosh is mentally weak and here is an example of him demonstrating it. Just as Kenyon Martin demonstrated mental weakness in the 2003 Finals while going up against outstanding defenders in Duncan and Robinson.

 

[cpawfan]

You said he was not clutch precisely because he didn't have pretty stats in the first series.

No, that is not what I said. I said Twin took him out of his game

 

[huevonkiller]

Props to Twin; I don't see that as grounds to call him a choker.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

I don't see where you're going with this, cpaw...