Zombie Sam Bowie lied to the Blazers!!

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julius said:
I believe the 78 playoffs is when Bill was just filled with pain killers by the team doctor or something.
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My recollection was that we shut him down prior to the playoffs that year, but maybe I'm wrong?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Oden was the clear consensus #1 pick, and ranked #1 for years before the draft. Taking Durant would've been compared to taking Keith Van Horn over Duncan. Basically every team except Orlando (who had a young Dwight Howard) would have taken Oden.

It obviously didn't work out. But taking Oden is nothing like taking the lesser ranked Bowie over player of the year college champion Jordan.
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While being the consensus #1 pick, had the Blazers medical staff done a better job, they would have caught the red flags, like one leg shorter than the other. He walked with a strange gait. I'm surprised that didn't alert them. So had they caught that, they might have chose to go with Durant instead. That's what i'm saying.
 
NOVoodoo said:
I feel ya'lls pain. Hasheem Thabeet lied to my Grizz about being able to play basketball. Son of a bitch...
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I bet they are enjoying Ja Morant.

Anyone seen that clip of Ja tipping a waitress a fat tip? She’s like “oh, you play basketball? You gonna go to the NBA?”
 
tlongII said:
My recollection was that we shut him down prior to the playoffs that year, but maybe I'm wrong?
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He came back against the sonics I believe
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
And don't forget drafting Moses Malone in the ABA dispersal draft and then trading him before the season!
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That was the first time I was pissed at the Blazers. What an idiotic trade.
 
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Wade Garrett said:
I always thought they should have drafted Charles Barkley..
I have no problem with them passing on MJ, they had Clyde, and back then, the NBA actually had "positions", so it made sense to me.
Besides, they had Mychal Thompson, who even though undersized at center, people forget how good Mychal was.
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I also wanted them to draft Barkley over Bowie and Jordan.

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Wade Garrett said:
I always thought they should have drafted Charles Barkley..
I have no problem with them passing on MJ, they had Clyde, and back then, the NBA actually had "positions", so it made sense to me.
Besides, they had Mychal Thompson, who even though undersized at center, people forget how good Mychal was.
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IIRC, we got Thompson with the pick from the Malone trade?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
But we traded down from 3, so we basically passed on Paul
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That's right. Traded down for 2 picks, like a lot of folks suggested this year. Bad idea IMO.

I wanted Deron Williams in that draft. I was very disappointed.
 
BBert said:
That's right. Traded down for 2 picks, like a lot of folks suggested this year. Bad idea IMO.

I wanted Deron Williams in that draft. I was very disappointed.
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Big difference between 3 and 7, historically. The third pick should get you an all-star caliber player, unless your scouting department simply sucks, while the seventh pick trends more toward, "hopefully a solid starter." In a lot of drafts, like say, this year's, there's not much consensus between players in the 6-15 range. That's where it can be beneficial to trade down.

I would have preferred Duren (or Sochan) plus whatever we got from trading down, versus the unknown of Sharpe.
 
handiman said:
Big difference between 3 and 7, historically. The third pick should get you an all-star caliber player, unless your scouting department simply sucks, while the seventh pick trends more toward, "hopefully a solid starter." In a lot of drafts, like say, this year's, there's not much consensus between players in the 6-15 range. That's where it can be beneficial to trade down.

I would have preferred Duren (or Sochan) plus whatever we got from trading down, versus the unknown of Sharpe.
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Agreed. The draft really is a crapshoot. Here's a little analysis I did a few years back. I defined a starter as someone that starts over half of their career games -

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In that 20-year span, the #3 pick was more successful than the #2 pick. And the #8 picked sucked. #9 and #10 did considerably better.

57.1% chance of getting an all-star with the #3 pick.
14.3% chance of getting an all-star with the #7 pick.

85.7% chance of getting a starter with the #3 pick.
71.4% chance of getting a starter with the #7 pick.

As far as general draft trends, there seems to be a significant drop off between the #5 pick and #6. Then the next tier is a big drop off between the #10 pick and #11 pick.

Trading down to pick up multiple assets is often a good strategy. With so much variability in the draft, getting a couple of swings at it certainly improves your chances of finding that gem.
 
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Somehow the "draft is a crapshoot" discussion made me want to look into the Kings drafting...
Their last all-star draft pick was Cousins in 2010. After that, the 2010s were ROUGH:

2011: They had #7 but traded and got #10. Draft Jimmer Fredette
Notable picks around that position: #9 Kemba, #11 Klay #15 Kawhi

2012: Drafted T-Rob at #5 (Lillard went #6)

2013: Drafted McLemore at #7. pretty terrible draft overall.
Giannis went #15 (probably not a consideration for 7 at that time), CJ went #10

2014 : Drafted Stauskas at #8 (why do we end up with every failed Kings pick ?)
Not many big name they could have picked around that time except Lavine at #13

2015: Cauley-Stein at #6
Not much after that again except #13 Devin Booker

2016: Drafted headcase Marquese Chriss at #8 (Sabonis went #11)
traded for #13 to get Papagiannis
traded for #28 to get Skal, just between Dejunte Murray (#29) and Paskal Siakam (#27)

2017: drafted Fox at #5
traded #10 to Portland to draft Harry Giles (#20) and Justin Jackson (#15)
notable players drafed: #13 Mitchell, #14 Bam, #19 John Collins, #22 Jarrett Allen #23 OG
They also originally had #3 (became Tatum) but they traded a pick-swap right to the sixers in 2015 for.... Nothing. To clear cap space and be a bigger player in free agency (lmao). So they basically lost out on Tatum for nothing.

2018: The big stinker, drafted Bagley III at #2
(Luka #3, Trae #5)
notable: traded #37 to Portland (became Trent Jr.)

2019: No lotto pick because they traded it in 2019 in the same deal that got them nothing.
(they literally traded a protected 1st and two 1st swap wtf)
 
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Would you rather…

Draft Sam Bowie or Greg Oden?
 
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Walton's feet in 1978. Losing the coin toss and Bowie "lying." Sabas not coming over until he was less amazing. Oden's micro fracture, uneven old man legs, and busted kneecap. Roy's knees. I have to admit ... I'm old enough now not to "care" that much ... except missing out on young Sabas. That would've been fun. With Oden and Bowie, there wasn't much fun to it while they were in Portland. What we missed out on in those drafts? Yes, we know who went next. I don't mind "I told you so" from other Blazers fans. Other fanbases and the media can kick rocks. Okay, so I was thinking of something else they could do, but that's anatomically impractical if not impossible.

The other, eventual walking wounded stars brought some great times even if those times didn't last as long as we wanted. I wouldn't have missed it.
Bowie lying? Not easy to rationalize to oneself unless the money is "worth it." Still a crappy thing to do. And when he went down, it would get even tougher. He could ball, and I'm glad he had a career post-Blazers.
 
Dominant or prominent(decent to large part of the offense) centers in our history?

Walton- Down with a foot injury

Bowie-Down with a knee injury

Sabonis-Came to us way to late an bad knees kept him from potential

Nurk-Has already broke his leg in a likely top ten most gruesome injuries in the nba.
Jury is still out.

These players could have been game changers if healthy in their prime. (I include Nurk, because i wonder how in shape he owuld be without all the injury time off. Again, jury still out.)

Anyhow, I would say we are the champs of the league when it comes to star potential centers we weren't able to maximize.

Now I am sad. Why did i post this? Lol.
 
If you look at career Win-Share:
- S Bowie: 26.9 (8.7 with the Blazers)
- G Oden: 7.3 (6.8 with the Blazers)

Even though Sam Bowie went on to have a relatively solid career in the NBA, he never measured up to the expectations of a #3 pick. The league expected career win-share for the #3 pick is 52.5.

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The worst performing draft pick the Blazers ever had was LaRue Martin with a career win-share of 1.9 in 4 seasons. Ugh. What a waste of a #1 pick.
 
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