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Everything Beagle said:
I was talking specifically about old people becoming more religious as they approach death. But to your point, yeah religion is being used as a cudgel everywhere and it sucks (I myself am atheistic). However, I have a quibble: Dubya very much didn’t calm things down after 9/11, if you include 2002 and 2003 in your sample size.
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Fair enough. And I disagree, Dubya was far more of a moderating influence than in comparison to Republican politicians now. It’s one of the few things I think Dubya deserves some credit for.

Here’s an example of what he said on September 17, 2001.

These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that. The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: ["]In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.["] The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.
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https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/quotes/george-w-bush-on-islam-and-terrorism--3

In September 2001 Bush didn’t need to moderate folks anger, he could have leaned in like Trump does and just fanned the flames for political gain. But he didn’t. He deserves credit for that.
 
Voodoo said:
Let me tell you, you're absolutely wrong. It happens with Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and quite obviously as we can see in Gaza right now Judaism as well. You can see the same crap happening in India with the Hindu nationalism of Modi, with Judaism with Netanyahu, and with the Rohingya in Malaysia with the Buddhist majority there. When there is no tolerance for the minority group, they are persecuted and destroyed. It just comes down to whether those in power are going to fan the flames to persecute and blame the minority group(s) for the majorities challenges such like Alito is doing here, or are they going to try and calm things down such as what Dubya did after 9/11. We're at a crossroads at the moment as the country is crossing this Rubicon of changing demographics. We're going to be a minority majority country very soon, and simultaneously the country is becoming less and less religious. There's a clear choice in 2024 between a continuation of tolerance, and someone who wants to persecute minorities and political rivals purely for political purposes.
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Problem is the religious are having tons of kids and the rest of us are having fewer and fewer...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Problem is the religious are having tons of kids and the rest of us are having fewer and fewer...
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It's because of sex-position branding.

If we renamed the missionary position the 'atheist's position', religious people would avoid it, leading to less sex for them and thus fewer kids.

We'll rename anal sex the 'missionary position'.

Brilliant, yes? I would like my Nobel Prize now.

barfo
 
Voodoo said:
Fair enough. And I disagree, Dubya was far more of a moderating influence than in comparison to Republican politicians now. It’s one of the few things I think Dubya deserves some credit for.

Here’s an example of what he said on September 17, 2001.



https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/quotes/george-w-bush-on-islam-and-terrorism--3

In September 2001 Bush didn’t need to moderate folks anger, he could have leaned in like Trump does and just fanned the flames for political gain. But he didn’t. He deserves credit for that.
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Words are dandy but he did invade Iraq and torture political prisoners, so I can’t really agree.
 
barfo said:
It's because of sex-position branding.

If we renamed the missionary position the 'atheist's position', religious people would avoid it, leading to less sex for them and thus fewer kids.

We'll rename anal sex the 'missionary position'.

Brilliant, yes? I would like my Nobel Prize now.

barfo
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Proof that, in every case, “the atheist’s position” is productive but also a tedious bore.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I've said before and I'll say again--it absolutely baffles me as a Bible-believing Christian that so many Christians so closely link their religion with politics. Jesus was notoriously apolitical, repeatedly refusing to engage when people wanted Him to address political hierarchy or taxation. Paul repeatedly talked about Christians' citizenship being in heaven and not of this world, as well as Christians being "dead to the world and alive in Christ". I completely understand people voting based on their personal beliefs--we all do that--but to act as though there is some sort of divine command for people to vote in a certain manner is notoriously anti-Biblical.
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Exactly right. The concept of free will...the freedom to choose to believe in God and follow Jesus, or not... is absolutely central to Christianity. Why so many folks who consider themselves Christians believe that it's their job to seek to enact laws to force compliance with behaviors that they think are consistent with God's desires is totally beyond me.
 
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